Argus Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) This guy had a history of mental instability and violently beating his wife on a daily basis. He had no history of mental instability. You are getting that from his wife claiming he was crazy, and that he beat her for trivial things, like not doing the laundry. But here's the thing, beating your wife for not doing the laundry is not considered crazy in much of the middle east. I know of no Muslim country where it's even against the law to beat your wife. I've seen and posted surveys of Muslim countries where women not only expected to be beaten for what we consider trivial things (like going to the doctor without his permission) but felt they would largely deserve to be beaten. Edited to add. A western woman who reported she was drugged and raped has been convicted in Qatar, one of the more 'advanced' Muslim countries, for having sex outside marriage. Under Islamic law you can't prove rape without the testimony of several male witnesses, you see. Edited June 13, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 given your prolific related posting across many MLW threads... I think I'm not going out on a limb here in suggesting that, from your perspective, all Muslims are the radical ones... amirite? . Ah, an early morning straw-man. So how does one tell? Which Muslim is going to go murderous next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Elaborate on your idea of implementation because none of us want to fundies here. I start from the position that there are WAY more people wanting to come to Canada than we are willing to take. That gives us the opportunity to be choosy about who comes. That means we should select people based on how likely they are to be economically successful, and how likely they are to fit into our culture and our job market. We know from statistics (and I have posted them many times) that those from the middle east perform very poorly in terms of economic success as compared to, for example, those from Europe. We know that Europeans have a cultural value system largely similar to our own. We also know that due to economic circumstances we could get pretty much as many immigrants as we would want from Europe (unlike, say, Japan, which is another culture I have some liking for). To my way of thinking, on a purely logical basis, why on earth are we taking so many Pakistanis and Iranians and Syrians and so few Poles or Irish or Portuguese? Edited June 13, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 But to be clear: if only we knew where this Wahabi death cult originated, and who funds it.... https://twitter.com/rudyhavenstein/status/742205245879517184 [hint: we do every time we fill up our tanks] And we do nothing to prevent the Saudis from funding mosque, schools and Islamic centres in Canada, or from sending their own clerics to staff them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 And we do nothing to prevent the Saudis from funding mosque, schools and Islamic centres in Canada, or from sending their own clerics to staff them. Our esteemed PM likes to visit said Wahabi mosques actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 So even Muslims born in the West are following a religion whose belief system is from the middle east, and listening to middle east clerics. Therefore, the messages, including social values, they get, are going to be deeply influenced by middle east social values and customs. Perhaps true. But also true that they will be influenced by the people they live around. Half of US Muslims claim closest friends that are NOT Muslim. 30% don't find Religion to be particularly important in their lives. And interesting comment on the research by Pew is "By all of these traditional measures, Muslims in the U.S. are roughly as religious as U.S. Christians", As their history in America evolves, it should follow similar paths.... reduced fertility with increasing prosperity... greater secularization ... more tolerance. With our tolerance (or our pushback), we probably hold a greater power over that evolution than we know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Our esteemed PM likes to visit said Wahabi mosques actually. We should ban Saudi money and clerics until such time as they allow Canadians to send money and clerics to establish Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. Fair's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 By how most of the Muslim world interprets Islam what he did wasn't really all that shocking. NOBODY finds gay-bashing "all that shocking", because it happens all the time, by Muslims and non-Muslims alike.. in spite of our supposed "progressive" attitudes.. Since 39% of American Muslims actually say that homosexuality should be accepted by society, I will go out on a limb and say that they would be just as disgusted as the rest of us. And that number is growing. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Since 39% of American Muslims actually say that homosexuality should be accepted by society, I will go out on a limb and say that they would be just as disgusted as the rest of us. And that number is growing. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ That's not a terribly high percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 That's not a terribly high percentage. So four out of ten will watch the stoning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) That's not a terribly high percentage. Not its not.... but then, what percentage of MAINSTREAM Americans think that homosexuality should be accepted? And will the thinking of the American Muslim Population.... not the thinking of the "religion".... but the thinking of the PEOPLE..... over time, will the thinking of the People become somewhat like the rest of American society? ... Edited June 13, 2016 by Icebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Not its not.... but then, what percentage of MAINSTREAM Americans think that homosexuality should be accepted? And will the thinking of the American Muslim Population.... not the thinking of the "religion".... but the thinking of the PEOPLE..... over time, with the thinking of the People become somewhat like the rest of American society? ... Islam is NOT a race or nationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Not its not.... but then, what percentage of MAINSTREAM Americans think that homosexuality should be accepted? And will the thinking of the American Muslim Population.... not the thinking of the "religion".... but the thinking of the PEOPLE..... over time, will the thinking of the People become somewhat like the rest of American society? ... Well considering that Gay Marriage is now the law of the land in Murika, it's more than 40%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 So four out of ten will watch the stoning... Maybe they can watch it on Mateen's father's TV show. Apparently he supports the Taliban so he can't be too upset about what his son has done. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/father+massacre+suspect+omar+mateen+supports+taliban+show/11981866/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 He was supposed to naturalize his son DAMNIT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Maybe they can watch it on Mateen's father's TV show. Apparently he supports the Taliban so he can't be too upset about what his son has done. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/father+massacre+suspect+omar+mateen+supports+taliban+show/11981866/story.html The BEST Muslim was Mohammad. He was a murderous child molester. Edited June 13, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 So four out of ten will watch the stoning... ... and 3 out of ten mainstream americans will join them, I suppose.. based on Gallup's poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 ... and 3 out of ten mainstream americans will join them, I suppose.. based on Gallup's poll Islam is a religion....I could join today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Islam is NOT a race or nationality. Right. Muslim People as in People who identify themselves as Muslim. Similar to Christian People. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Islam is a religion....I could join today. I was talking about 3 out of 10 will join the stoning... because 3 out of 10 Americans still think that homosexuality should be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Right. Muslim People as in People who identify themselves as Muslim. Similar to Christian People. I do find the Christian's constant stoning of adulterers as annoying as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 I was talking about 3 out of 10 will join the stoning... because 3 out of 10 Americans still think that homosexuality should be illegal. Cite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 I was talking about 3 out of 10 will join the stoning... because 3 out of 10 Americans still think that homosexuality should be illegal. Islam is a religion. America is a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Cite http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx graph shows 28% claim homosexual activity should not be legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx graph shows 28% claim homosexual activity should not be legal. Muslim Americans, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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