DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 The more you carry on the more hideous this argument is becoming... This is called history rather than an argument. History unfolds one way. Time to revise your history on mossadegh.... Again...you're free to show me with cites and such what REALLY happened. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 This is called history rather than an argument. History unfolds one way. Again...you're free to show me with cites and such what REALLY happened. If there was a chance to revive the real democracy in iran it was in 1953..... There was a conflict of interest in the west over oil
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 If there was a chance to revive the real democracy in iran it was in 1953..... There was a conflict of interest in the west over oil Again, Mossadeq needed the Commies to get elected who turned on him at the drop of a hat...as the saying goes. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 As the saying goes words are open to interpretation same way is history that is written by the victor...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 As the saying goes words are open to interpretation same way is history that is written by the victor... Not true. Some of the best history books are written by the losers. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Not true. Some of the best history books are written by the losers. Not true. Some of the best history books are written by the losers. Don't tell that to greeks. That will for sure piss them off Edited June 14, 2016 by kactus
taxme Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Uh-oh..looks like the "Zionists" have taken over Canada's state funded/controlled broadcaster: ....To deny that Jew-hating exists, or to casually minimize it, is delusional. And yet many activist progressives now seem to regard it with indifference; to them, anti-Semitism seems to be at best an exaggeration, at worst a shield for Zionist oppression. ...But because victimhood is such a potent form of modern currency, the activist left seems to have decided that hatred of Jews should be downplayed, or even submerged, for the greater good. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/social-activism-anti-semitism-bocott-divestment-sanctions-1.3633252 I don't think that the majority of the worlds population really give a crap about Israel anymore. Just people like yourself for some odd reason. If it were not for the foolish American taxpayer's supporting Israel, that fascist state would be in big time trouble. Geez, they may have to talk instead of bomb for a change. When Bibi goes to Washington and gives a speech the guy gets standing ovations every time after he puts two sentences together. And the Congressman/woman and Senators better get up and clap or else. No other leader of any country in the world ever gets that kind of welcome. Like Ariel Sharon once stated in the Knesset when asked as to what will the Americans say about such and such, and his answer was don't worry about the Americans "we own America". If that doesn't tell you anything, what will? But I did notice in that story that you posted that the zionists have been able to shut down a local news website called "Your Ward News". They were able to convince Canada Post to stop delivering their newsletters to households in the Toronto area. I guess they were asking too many questions for the zionists to want to hear or handle. Shut them down. How is that for power and control. The paper questions zionism and Israel and they shut them down. Zionists are nothing more than intolerant bigots who will not debate but would prefer to shut down. Canadians are prisoners to these censors.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 ...I don't think that the majority of the worlds population really give a crap about Israel anymore. Just people like yourself for some odd reason. If it were not for the foolish American taxpayer's supporting Israel, that fascist state would be in big time trouble. Geez, they may have to talk instead of bomb for a change. When Bibi goes to Washington and gives a speech the guy gets standing ovations every time after he puts two sentences together. Canada has a free trade agreement with Israel....not Palestine. Parliament officially condemns the BDS movement. American taxpayers will support whomever they please....nobody else can stop us....including Israel haters in Canada. And the Congressman/woman and Senators better get up and clap or else. No other leader of any country in the world ever gets that kind of welcome. Like Ariel Sharon once stated in the Knesset when asked as to what will the Americans say about such and such, and his answer was don't worry about the Americans "we own America". If that doesn't tell you anything, what will? America is owned by a lot of people....Canada tries real hard too but is not nearly as good at it than is Israel. Try harder.... Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Don't tell that to greeks. That will for sure piss them off I don't follow your English. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Uh-oh..looks like the "Zionists" have taken over Canada's state funded/controlled broadcaster: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/social-activism-anti-semitism-bocott-divestment-sanctions-1.3633252 Hardly - as even your source acknowledges; The conflation of all supporters of BDS with Jew-hating is as scattershot and sweeping as the conflation of all Jews with Israel. It ignores the inconvenient truth that some pro-Israeli Jews are embarrassed by that country's current government, as well as the fact that some of the strongest proponents of BDS are Jewish. But it is all of a piece with the scorched-earth nature of modern political discourse. There is us, and them, and no-man's land in between. Detail and nuance and history are just annoyances, to be marched past, or over. Given how much seems to be at stake sometimes I wonder if some people don't pose as brain-dead left-wing activists just to discredit activism. In any case, if Zionists think blowing their influence through the right-wing is doing them any better in the PR department these days they're dreaming. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 ....Given how much seems to be at stake sometimes I wonder if some people don't pose as brain-dead left-wing activists just to discredit activism. In any case, if Zionists think blowing their influence through the right-wing is doing them any better in the PR department these days they're dreaming. Is it so hard to believe that "brain-dead left-wing activists" actually exist, or just easier to believe that is only true for "right wingers" ? Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Of course not, it's just easier to see that following the prescriptions of brain-dead right-wingers isn't getting us anywhere faster either. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Of course not, it's just easier to see that following the prescriptions of brain-dead right-wingers isn't getting us anywhere faster either. Seems to be working just fine for the right-wing and left-wing "Zionists"...would much rather live in Israel than in...say...Gaza. Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 So far so good I guess. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 I don't follow your English. ....It is not my English. It's the reader....
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 ....It is not my English. It's the reader.... No...it's your poor English. What are you referring to in your unintelligible post? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) No other leader of any country in the world ever gets that kind of welcome. Like Ariel Sharon once stated in the Knesset when asked as to what will the Americans say about such and such, and his answer was don't worry about the Americans "we own America". If that doesn't tell you anything, what will? These quotes originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed its source as Israeli radio Kol Yisrael: CAMERA received confirmation from Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. The misquote also appears on many anti-Israel and hate sites. http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=373&x_context=7 Edited June 15, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 No...it's your poor English. What are you referring to in your unintelligible post? I suppose irony is not your strongest point. Nevermind... Americans struggle with it as well. You don't worry about my English. Just concentrate on the content of your own posts or the lack of it....
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 I suppose irony is not your strongest point. Nevermind... Americans struggle with it as well. You don't worry about my English. Just concentrate on the content of your own posts or the lack of it.... No worries. So I should just ignore you since you're not making sense. Understood. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) No worries. So I should just ignore you since you're not making sense. Understood.Which bit of my last post was not clear to you?Don't waste my time if you have reading comprehension. You were already ignored... Btw that has nothing to do with english. Rather more to do with your ability to grasp... Not my problem if you can't get it... Edited June 15, 2016 by kactus
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Which bit of my last post was not clear to you? Don't waste my time if you have reading comprehension. You were already ignored... Btw that has nothing to do with english. Rather more to do with your ability to grasp... Not my problem if you can't get it... Dude...you think your English is perfect. It's not. Your post makes no sense. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
taxme Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 These quotes originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed its source as Israeli radio Kol Yisrael: CAMERA received confirmation from Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. The misquote also appears on many anti-Israel and hate sites. http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=373&x_context=7 Believe what you want to believe, and I will do the same. I trust my sources. I will never trust yours.
Argus Posted June 16, 2016 Report Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Believe what you want to believe, and I will do the same. I trust my sources. I will never trust yours. Someone who trusts fringe groups and wild, way out there web sites, but doesn't trust mainstream news sources is someone who winds up believing a whole bunch of really nonsensical stuff. Edited June 18, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 Someone who trusts fringe groups and wild, way out their web sites, but doesn't trust mainstream news sources is someone who winds up believing a whole bunch of really nonsensical stuff. The MSM has had a terrible track record. We can talk about the yellow cake from Nigeria. The so called 'weapons of mass destruction' and the mobile chemical trucks in Iraq. And where did that get us now today?
Moonlight Graham Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Which other lobby group has as much influence on U.S. foreign policy than the Zionist lobby? The defense industry? The energy lobby? No doubt that the Israel lobby is immensely powerful in the US though. The academic article is a must-read for everyone: http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf Edited June 17, 2016 by Moonlight Graham "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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