Big Guy Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Every major nation has a lobby group in other major nations. I do not blame Israel for paying for as much influence in the USA and/or Canada or whatever to support promote its agenda. Israel does what is best for Israel. It is ironic that Israel does it with American funds. I blame our government officials here in Canada being bought off and promoting Israeli propaganda as Netanyahu slowly absorbs more and more Palestinian land. Israel is a rogue nation with policies that are leading to more confrontations with other nations in the area and Netanyahu is ready for war. When that happens I want Canada to have no part of it. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 I give a hoot for the kids growing up there. The adults...not so much. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
marcus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) This is part of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy you guys read about so much on the internet, right? You can continue to try to push people to have the same confused understanding of the difference between the Zionist ideology and Jews, but it's not going to work. "The Jews" are not synonymous with Zionists and Israel. Only lazy thinkers would put blanket statements towards a race or a religious group. Kind of like those who make blanket statements about Muslims. There are many Jews who are against Zionism and they continue to increase in numbers. As far as conspiracies, I have clearly shown the type of money flowing from Zionist millionaires/billionaires into U.S. politics and you have failed to dispute it. As far as Zionist conspiracy on the internet, here is one for you from the earlier days, before twitter and facebook: The Megaphone desktop tool was a Windows "action alert" tool developed by Give Israel Your United Support (GIYUS) and distributed by World Union of Jewish Students, World Jewish Congress, The Jewish Agency for Israel, World Zionist Organization, StandWithUs, Hasbara fellowships, HonestReporting, and other pro-Israel public relations organizations. The tool was released in July during the 2006 Lebanon War. By June 2011, the tool became no longer available through the GIYUS website. An RSS newsfeed is available. the tool directed users to anti-Israel websites, giving users and option click a button labeled "act now!" On top of that, you have the dozens of organizations, trying to manipulate public opinion, through their pressure on the media and their presence on the internet, through social media and forums. They do what they can to conceal the crimes of Israel and to spread their misinformation. Israel to pay students to defend it online Want to help defend Israel? Become a virtual soldier Prime Minister's Office Recruiting Students to Wage Online Hasbara Battles Please note that the above articles are not coming from wordpress sites (like some people on here like to use to back up ridiculous claims such as Iranian lobby having more influence than Israeli lobby). They are from Jerusalem Post, Haaretz and USA Today. Edited June 6, 2016 by marcus "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 ...On top of that, you have the dozens of organizations, trying to manipulate public opinion, through their pressure on the media and their presence on the internet, through social media and forums. They do what they can to conceal the crimes of the Israel and to spread their misinformation. Good for Israel....countering the hate and misinformation coming from other nations and people hoping and praying they can influence U.S. and Israeli policies is a logical objective. Few of them actually have the courage and conviction to stand in front of an IDF Caterpillar D9 like (American) Rachel Corrie. Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Without a strong lobby, Israel would not be getting away with destroying projects donated to the Palestinians: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/report-slams-israel-squandering-aid-palestine-160605064911023.html Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
marcus Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Posted June 6, 2016 Good for Israel....countering the hate and misinformation coming from other nations and people hoping and praying they can influence U.S. and Israeli policies is a logical objective. Few of them actually have the courage and conviction to stand in front of an IDF Caterpillar D9 like (American) Rachel Corrie. Yes BC2004. "Good for Israel" for trying to conceal their crimes and for spreading misinformation and good for you for being okay with that. At least you're not in total denial about the heavy lobbying and the heavy influence that the Zionist/Israeli lobby has on U.S. politics and the media. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Posted June 6, 2016 Yes BC2004. "Good for Israel" for trying to conceal their crimes and for spreading misinformation and good for you for being okay with that. At least you're not in total denial about the heavy lobbying and the heavy influence that the Zionist/Israeli lobby has on U.S. politics and the media. Denial ? Hell, I am glad to pay for Israel's "aggressive" defense. If all the PLO and Hamas have on their side are weak "truthers" from Canada, they will not prevail in their glorious terrorism. Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Posted June 6, 2016 Denial ? Hell, I am glad to pay for Israel's "aggressive" defense. Good for you for being honest. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Posted June 6, 2016 10 years ago, BDS was ignored. 5 years ago, it was smeared. Today it's being attacked. This means that BDS is winning, even as the repression intensifies. The Zionist lobby's influence over U.S. politics has just been demonstrated: NY Gov. Cuomo signs “unconstitutional, McCarthyite” pro-Israel exec. order punishing BDS boycott movement Back in February, this is what happened in the UK: Greatest Threat to Free Speech in the West: Criminalizing Activism Against Israeli Occupation "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted June 6, 2016 Report Posted June 6, 2016 10 years ago, BDS was ignored.... Forty-nine years ago, the Six Day War was on Day 2 (June 5-10, 1967). Had Jordan not invaded Israel, the West Bank would still be part of Jordan. The Gaza Strip was part of Egypt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1817&dat=19670527&id=nxAdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IJsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6894,4683354&hl=en Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Posted June 6, 2016 Canada's new government officially condemns the "BDS movement": OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals have joined forces with the official Opposition to overwhelmingly approve a Conservative motion condemning Canadians who promote the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel. Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Posted June 7, 2016 Canada's new government officially condemns the "BDS movement": OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals have joined forces with the official Opposition to overwhelmingly approve a Conservative motion condemning Canadians who promote the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel. Yeah. We know all about the lip service. I wonder if they will ever 'outlaw' free speech. Like NY did. I also wonder if anyone will take Cuomo to court for violating the constitution in favour of Zionist bankrollers. He has his head so up the sugardaddy's ass, it seems like he may be looking at a shot at the white house. We should definitely be having debates about the substance of a desired outcome for the territories and the strategies to best arrive at them. But if one’s course of action is to get an unlikable political hack to bypass the legislature to outlaw a thought crime, it makes the anti-BDS movement seem desperate and contradicts its claims to be a defender of democracy and openness. It may work. It may silence those voices, and may allow the Israeli right to keep its hold not just on official power but over what can and can’t be said about the country. But even in New York State it’s another hole in the already leaky vessel of liberal democracy being steered by moderate Zionists and defenders of Israel. Read more "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 More on Saban, Clintons and AIPAC: Saban has become a household name in Democratic politics, thanks to his persistent support for the Clintons. Through the years, Saban has contributed an estimated $30 million to their political campaigns and has become a close friend of the ultimate power couple. The Clintons are frequent guests at his annual Saban Forum, which meets in Washington to discuss U.S.-Israel relations. Saban is a major donor of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and of Friends of the Israel Defense Forces. Until recently, he was the key funder of the Israeli American Council, which was founded to organize Israeli expatriates living in the United States. Haaretz The Israel-Firster billionaire Haim Saban funds Democrats and the Israel-Firster billionaire Sheldon Adelson funds the Republicans. Many of these politicians know not to bite the hand that feeds them, so they will say what they are told to say about Israel. The facts speak for themselves, Haim Saban, who has said: "I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.", is Clinton's top financial backer. Here is a link to Clintons' top donors. It's not from a wordpress site, it's from Washington Post and it makes no mention of any Iranians. I guess that this would explain as to why she does not believe nor worries that she will ever face a trial in regards to her e-mail fiasco. The zionists have her back, and will do whatever they can to see that their darling doesn't face any charges or prison. It must be nice to know people in high places with lots of money.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 Canada's new government officially condemns the "BDS movement": OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals have joined forces with the official Opposition to overwhelmingly approve a Conservative motion condemning Canadians who promote the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel. Only because the majority of politicians are traitors and have too butt kiss Israel. If they did not and went along with a boycott of Israel, they know that their careers are pretty much over. Politics is nothing more than a racket. You cannot become the leader of any political party if you don't pay homage to you know who. It's that simple.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 I have an interest in the well-being of civilized countries. There are so few of them out there amidst the jumble of violence, barbarism, dictatorships and theocracies. I don't believe that there exists a civilized country on this planet today. They are all full of political liars, cheats and thieves who only want money and power. True democracy does not exist anywhere except maybe in Switzerland.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 ...Only because the majority of politicians are traitors and have too butt kiss Israel. If they did not and went along with a boycott of Israel, they know that their careers are pretty much over. Politics is nothing more than a racket. You cannot become the leader of any political party if you don't pay homage to you know who. It's that simple. Must be a reason for that.....Canadian voters picked "traitors"...again. They did not pick terrorism against Israel. It's that simple. Economics trumps Virtue.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 This is part of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy you guys read about so much on the internet, right? Are you able to dispute what is being said about Jewish conspiracies on the internet? Can you show us that it is all just antisemitism nonsense? Over too you.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 Must be a reason for that.....Canadian voters picked "traitors"...again. They did not pick terrorism against Israel. It's that simple. Personally, I believe that a majority of Canadians should not be allowed to vote. They have become to politically correct and are clueless about politics. They listen to the media party, and that media party pretty much tells them who they should vote for, and they pretty much do.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 I personally care a lot about the only true democracy in the middle east.I think the West should stand by Israel. Well they are some people who say that Israel is no more of a democracy than North Korea is. So, who do we believe, uhmm?
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 I give a hoot for the kids growing up there. The adults...not so much. And I give a hoot for the kids here in Canada who are being brainwashed in our schools by your beloved zionists.
DogOnPorch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 And I give a hoot for the kids here in Canada who are being brainwashed in our schools by your beloved zionists. Zionists under every bed...after-all. Eh, eyeball? Welcome to the club. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 Are you able to dispute what is being said about Jewish conspiracies on the internet? Can you show us that it is all just antisemitism nonsense? I don't need to dispute crap like that. Any intelligent person will dismiss it out of hand. Especially since the only supporting evidence is garbage put out by lunatics. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 Well they are some people who say that Israel is no more of a democracy than North Korea is. So, who do we believe, uhmm? Those people are morons. And I encourage them to go and live in North Korea. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 I don't need to dispute crap like that. Any intelligent person will dismiss it out of hand. Especially since the only supporting evidence is garbage put out by lunatics. So you say it is crap and garbage. I do not believe that this is so.I don't allow the liberal leftist Marxists zionists to try and influence me as to what I should and should not read or believe. I do have an open mind and will listen to both sides of the story. An intelligent person with an open mind will take the time to read what the other guy/gal has to say, both sides of the story, and then should be able to come to their own conclusions as to whether or not they want to continue reading or just stop. Most Canadians will just read the local lame duck corporate media or listen to the media party(Global/CTV/CBC)and will believe as gospel as to what they say. They will not take the time to check anything out for themselves as to whether the media or politicians are telling it like it really is. The media party are not there to tell the truth or give the facts as far as I am concerned. They are there to distort and tell lies. Just my personal opinion of course. Works for me.
taxme Posted June 7, 2016 Report Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) Those people are morons. And I encourage them to go and live in North Korea. Why should anyone believe you when you call people morons? Maybe I should encourage you to go live in North Korea because it would appear as though you do not believe in freedom of speech at all. You appear to be very intolerant of other peoples opinions and points of view. Do I not have the right to express my opinion? Do I not have the right to question something without being called a racist or anti-semite? My opinion is that those people who are called morons are the people that should be listened to because they do appear to have something to say and talk about. Calling people names tells me that they have something to say and are the ones that should be listened too. At least that is how I see things going on today. Works for me. Edited June 7, 2016 by taxme
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