PM IN HOT WATER; The Prime Minister apologizes.

[Derek 2.0]

Sure, in some way, I could see how it wasn't a one-person ordeal. The screaming match that ensued, the MP's coming down to the floor, it was a total poop-storm with no real winners. The whole village participated.

But what irks me is that our PM's actions started it, we're only 6 months in, and his entitled antics are only escalating.

Name-calling, sticking out tongues and now this. With 3.5 years to go (at best), what's next?

Exactly, he clearly lost his temper and reacted with violence.........if done in nearly any other workplace in this country, Trudeau would be looking at far more stiffer stuff than an apology......in a (Government) union environment, at the very least, he'd be required to take part in an anger management program.

[August1991]

I think that saying Trudeau bodily dragged Gord Brown out of there is as hyperbolic as the claim that he delivered a flying elbow-smash to the NDP member.

I imagine that by the time I wake up tomorrow people are going to be saying he body-slammed Ruth Ellen McSafespace and dragged Gord Brown down the aisle with one hand wrapped around his windpipe.

-k

Hyperbolic? Justin Trudeau himself has excused his actions several times.

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Kimmy, if you want to call the opposition reaction as "hyperbolic", look rather at the principal: Several public apologies/excuses?

Rather, I suspect we are about to enter the "depressive phase". Our PM will take a break - to be with his family.

[Derek 2.0]

of course, lost in translation! There is June 6th deadline imposed by the SCOC to have legislation in place to support those persons seeking doctor assisted death. For their own separate designs, both the CPC and NDP have been actively stalling moving required legislation forward... the vote in question yesterday was intended to get over the impasse and put a limit on debate - there's nothing new to be said, that hasn't already been said. It's time for a vote to allow the process to move forward... you know... so the Conservative dominated Senate can shut-er-down (as it/they have done previously for related assisted dying legislation). The NDP charade was blatant in its symbolism if nothing else... and we had the chortling Mulcair egging on his NDP members blocking the Opposition Conservative Whip from proceeding forward to allow the vote process to begin... the Government Liberal Whip Leslie passed by/through and was waiting near the Speaker to begin the process. The wait was on! Captain Liberal proceeded to unblock the NDP blockade... gently escorting the Conservative Whip through the NDP obstacles - would the NDP dare to (also) block the Prime Minister of Canada? Would Tom get Angry?

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Negative Ghostrider...But nice attempt at Justin-ifying the Prime Minister's outburst.....per procedure , if Government Whip Andrew Leslie had of simply taken his seat, regardless if the opposition Whip was on the dark side of the moon, the Speaker would have put the question to the House and voting would have begun.........

Maybe the Liberal Whip and Prime Minister need a do-over of grade school civics.........and anger management for the Prime Minister.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Derek 2.0

[Moonlight Graham]

I thought that was a very good apology by Trudeau (minus the very end when his acting skills kinda showed up).

Also, kudos to Rona Ambrose for taking the high road in her speech/response.

Seeing everything that also went on BEFORE the elbow-gate happened, it's clear that each party are just being jerks to each other, and this helped lead to a negative atmosphere (certainly NOT excusing what Trudeau did). The opposition is using cheap delay tactics to stall votes/debates and try to block everything like they're the GOP/Democrats or something. Then the Liberals introduce that dangerous and pretty outrageous Motion 6 trying to block debate so they can prevent the stalls and control the House debates so they can get their legislation rammed through quicker. Liberals, CPC, and NDP all had a role in the childish House atmosphere and behaviour in the House (again NOT excusing Justin, and yes what he did was far worse than anyone else's behaviour).

Like seriously? These are the people who represent us, and our interests?

Edited May 20, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[Smallc]

Bad behaviour doesn't excuse even worse and inappropriate behaviour. Especially from a Prime Minister.

Who said it did?

[Smallc]

I thought that was a very good apology by Trudeau (minus the very end when his acting skills kinda showed up).

Also, kudos to Rona Ambrose for taking the high road in her speech/response.

Seeing everything that also went on BEFORE the elbow-gate happened, it's clear that each party are just being jerks to each other. The opposition is using cheap delay tactics to stall votes/debates and try to block everything like they're the GOP/Democrats or something. Then the Liberals introduces that dangerous and pretty outrageous Motion 6 trying to block debate so they can prevent the stalls and control the House debates so they can get their legislation rammed through quicker.

I wouldn't normally agree with the tactic - but if this bill isn't law by June 6th, we could have a problem.

[August1991]

Indeed, he does apologize. In manic-depressive style.

And moreover, he apologized to a woman that I never would have imagined to face him in our federal House.

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"Vegas" is no fool. About her, I admit that I'm wrong - and Democracy is remarkable in its own way.

Edited May 20, 2016 by August1991

[Moonlight Graham]

I wouldn't normally agree with the tactic - but if this bill isn't law by June 6th, we could have a problem.

Ya i admit that it's a tactic that's in response to other tactics.

[BC_chick]

Exactly, he clearly lost his temper and reacted with violence.........if done in nearly any other workplace in this country, Trudeau would be looking at far more stiffer stuff than an apology......in a (Government) union environment, at the very least, he'd be required to take part in an anger management program.

At least he apologized... and looked sincere doing it. I respect that, especially since the Internet seems to full of apologists who think he did nothing wrong.

Many in his shoes wouldn't have apologized. Chrétien, for example, would never do such a thing.

Edited May 20, 2016 by BC_chick

[Topaz]

All u Tory supporters, I don't know who u are debating because any Liberal on here has said Justin was wrong, he should have never cross the floor, its against the rules , just like Van Loan did to tell the NDP to F***, he was wrong. Emotions are high right now and many don't think they can get this Bill agreed on and so it won't past and the Opposition parties don't want to work late into the night. Of course, if they don't get much sleep many are doing to be....touchy. The only person not to be blame is Elizabeth May. BTW, look at the tape again and the Tory was trying to get through and the NDP's kept changing their standing positions, in FRONT of him.

[The_Squid]

Indeed, he does apologize. In manic-depressive style.

Please provide a cite that the PM is a manic-depressive or has bipolar disorder.

[August1991]

Please provide a cite that the PM is a manic-depressive or has bipolar disorder.

I have no evidence, none whatsoever. But he apologized three times.

Let's see what happens next.

[Shady]

He's doing the apology tour ala Barack Obama.

[August1991]

He's doing the apology tour ala Barack Obama.

Shady, this is not about Oprah/America/Bush/Obama/Clinton/Hollywood/whatever.

It's not about America.

English-Canadians are having a debate. French-Canadians are in the process of understanding the debate.

Such is a sophisticated society in the 21st century world.

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Shady, not everyone is right-handed: some people use their left-hand to sign/write.

Edited May 20, 2016 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

....Seeing everything that also went on BEFORE the elbow-gate happened, it's clear that each party are just being jerks to each other, and this helped lead to a negative atmosphere (certainly NOT excusing what Trudeau did). The opposition is using cheap delay tactics to stall votes/debates and try to block everything like they're the GOP/Democrats or something.

Well, to be fair, you did refer to the incident as a "elbow-gate". This is very American style politics as well.

[msj]

I am loving this on Twitter:

I can't stop watching the #elbowgate video... truly a classic Canadian fight: no one gets hurt, outrage, lot's of apologies.

And:

I think #elbowgate confirms that most politicians have never ridden the bus or subway.

Also, love the Maclean's video with Kerry Fraser assessing penalties: http://www.macleans.ca/news/unsportsmanlike-politics-kerry-fraser-refs-the-thrilla-on-the-hilla/

Such a fun "scandal."

[waldo]

Exactly, he clearly lost his temper and reacted with violence.........

reacted with violence? As overtly partisan as you are... I mean, who other than you would have dared to predict a 2015 Harper Conservative majority and held on to that right to the/your bitter end... I'd typically just dismiss your brazen use of this summation in line with you... just being your uber-partisan self. But no, it's clear there's been a most egregious consequence!

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[waldo]

Negative Ghostrider...But nice attempt at Justin-ifying the Prime Minister's outburst.....per procedure , if Government Whip Andrew Leslie had of simply taken his seat, regardless if the opposition Whip was on the dark side of the moon, the Speaker would have put the question to the House and voting would have begun.........

Maybe the Liberal Whip and Prime Minister need a do-over of grade school civics.........and anger management for the Prime Minister.

as is your most annoying practice, you drop a link without bothering to actually quote from it... you either think the mere dropped linkage will suffice for most, or if someone actually proceeds to 'weed on through' your go-fetch routine, they'll just give up after a cursory look for your summary nugget. Well, the waldo ain't most here and definitely not your Ghostrider!

Appearance of the Whips

When they conclude that their respective Members are ready to vote, the Whips of the government and of the Official Opposition make a ceremonial return to the House, and the ringing of the bells ceases. The Whips enter the Chamber together, proceed up the aisle toward the Chair, bow to the Speaker and to each other and resume their seats. This convention provides a signal to the Speaker that the House is ready to proceed with the vote. Once the Whips have taken their seats, the Speaker calls the House to order and immediately puts the question.

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[Derek 2.0]

as is your most annoying practice, you drop a link without bothering to actually quote from it... you either think the mere dropped linkage will suffice for most, or if someone actually proceeds to 'weed on through' your go-fetch routine, they'll just give up after a cursory look for your summary nugget. Well, the waldo ain't most here and definitely not your Ghostrider!

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What's the problem? You managed to to read said link, found and quoted a portion......just the wrong portion

On occasion, a vote has been taken although one of the Whips had not appeared after the bells rang for the maximum prescribed length of time. In most cases, the Government Whip re‑entered the Chamber while the Opposition Whip, as an act of protest, remained outside the Chamber (sometimes with the entire caucus).

If that doesn't suffice, I can provide a quote from the current Speaker as confirmation of my point..........and a quashing of the meme that Trudeau was attempting to move the vote along.......as pointed out, if the Liberal Whip had of took his seat, regardless the actions of the Opposition, the vote would of proceeded.........hence the Prime Minister and Government Whip are uninformed as to how the House works, and in the case of the Prime Minister, unable to control his uninformed emotions.

[Derek 2.0]

reacted with violence?

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Yes violence........if the Waldo went into his favorite watering hole or in his place of work for example, then proceeded to grab and drag a person against their will (well injuring another person), the Waldo could rightfully be charged with assault:

265 (1) A person commits an assault when

• (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

• ( he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose;

[G Huxley]

This whole episode shows how parliament has been filled with a bunch of drama queens.

[Derek 2.0]

At least he apologized... and looked sincere doing it. I respect that, especially since the Internet seems to full of apologists who think he did nothing wrong.

Many in his shoes wouldn't have apologized. Chrétien, for example, would never do such a thing.

I think his apology is moot......if a civil servant and a member of PSAC repeated the same actions well working in the House of Commons or any other government office, likewise any non-union member of the RCMP or Canadian Forces, from the get go, the victim is encouraged to contact their supervisor and (Military)police immediately.

Why should violence and harassment be treated differently when done by elected officials, including the Prime Minister?

[G Huxley]

Someone alert the Canadian military at once at all the violence it has engaged in.

[Smallc]

https://youtu.be/VxNObkzjQ8M

Elizabeth May explains clearly what was happening.

The NDP only had to delay the vote by 3 minutes to ensure it didn't take place. Trudeau knew this and tried to intervene.

And Derek, the opposition whip was in the house, so your example makes absolutely no sense. It's clear he was planning to proceed to the front, being that he entered the house and was proceeding to the front.

[Smallc]

I think his apology is moot......if a civil servant

Blah, blah, blah. He took a guy by the arm. He shouldn't have done it. He apologized, and it's over.