PM IN HOT WATER; The Prime Minister apologizes.

[msj]

Speaking as a traditional NDP supporter, most people would step back and give a person room in that situation. She moved toward him, which is unusual. I think it was just grazing contact that she exaggerated. I call BS politics on you all.

It's funny though: kind of like watching a football fixture between, say, Italy and Spain with all kinds of diving.

[Boges]

Speaking as a traditional NDP supporter, most people would step back and give a person room in that situation. She moved toward him, which is unusual. I think it was just grazing contact that she exaggerated. I call BS politics on you all.

Way to blame the victim.

[BC_chick]

There is substance to my post.

To make such an issue over incidental and accidental contact is partisan nonsense.

Your partisanship lacks substance.

The elbowing wasn't the issue in my opinion, that was an accident.

What wasn't an accident was our PM getting angry, telling people to get the f--ck out of his way, crossing the floor and putting his hands on another MP.

If you think that's business as usual, you need to think twice before calling others partisan.

[Topaz]

As I said before, IF everyone had stayed in their seats, this wouldn't have happen, correct? Justin was wrong and the NDP were wrong to stop the Tory Whip, correct? Some of you are being very unfair to the PM, by keeping saying he's a bad guy. He said he was sorry twice, more times than Harper ever did. There are more important debates than this and lets not run it into the ground over and over again. Emotions are high in the House because of Bill C-40 and that is more important than this, the committee look at what happen in the House and then we can talk about again.

[Boges]

As I said before, IF everyone had stayed in their seats, this wouldn't have happen, correct? Justin was wrong and the NDP were wrong to stop the Tory Whip, correct? Some of you are being very unfair to the PM, by keeping saying he's a bad guy. He said he was sorry twice, more times than Harper ever did. There are more important debates than this and lets not run it into the ground over and over again. Emotions are high in the House because of Bill C-40 and that is more important than this, the committee look at what happen in the House and then we can talk about again.

Harper assaulted someone? Cite.

[msj]

If you think that's business as usual, you need to think twice before calling others partisan.

But it is business as usual and is still as minor as those NDP members blocking the CPC member.

Yes, very childish and also very minor compared to the business at hand.

Edited May 19, 2016 by msj

[scribblet]

This is not 'minor', the PM manhandled someone which could be seen as an assault. The incident also prevented an MP from voting which will (or should) require an inquiry.

[cannuck]

That's his next move when they're debating the pot bill.

Nah. He'll be shooting up, not shooting people.

[Argus]

Apparently the Conservatives want to give the NDP a run for their money.

You think it was appropriate for him to grab Brown and yank him forward and send him to his seat like he was a little boy?

[Argus]

I think that saying Trudeau bodily dragged Gord Brown out of there is as hyperbolic as the claim that he delivered a flying elbow-smash to the NDP member.

Brown is quoted in the Globe as having told him "Let go of me - now" at the time, so this was not exactly welcome assistance. The vote was only running a few seconds late, too.

But the grab is hugely symbolic of the government's impatience with the HoC, where there was going to be a whole new era of respect, if you'll recall, for individual MPs, a whole new sense of civility and partnership, given the motion the Liberals put in that would give the Liberal cabinet control of parliamentary business at their whim, to extend or shorten hours to stifle debate any time they wanted to. So much for Trudeau's vaunted respect of parliament.

[msj]

Elizabeth May is the only one who looks good coming out of this for calling it as she saw it which I think most people can agree with.

Trudeau looks like an apologetic thug, the CPC come across as their usual whiny selves, and the NDP are even worse seeking their "safe spaces" nonsense.

[Guest]

You think it was appropriate for him to grab Brown and yank him forward and send him to his seat like he was a little boy?

I'm not talking about the appropriateness of Trudeau's actions. I'm talking about the appropriateness of the response.

[BubberMiley]

This is not 'minor', the PM manhandled someone which could be seen as an assault. The incident also prevented an MP from voting which will (or should) require an inquiry.

Just to help you out, an inquiry is something that is done to find out information that is not readily available.

[BC_chick]

But it is business as usual and is still as minor as those NDP members blocking the CPC member.

Yes, very childish and also very minor compared to the business at hand.

Stalling is a common occurrence but I don't recall the Speaker ever needing to a PM to not 'manhandle' other MP's. That is NOT business as usual, and most people, including Trudeau accept that.

You making it a non-issue *is* partisan and you discrediting my opinion just because of my avatar lacks substance in that this is not a thread about me, it's about PM Trudeau's actions yesterday.

If you can't stay on topic, then kindly don't even respond because my 6 month old avatar which I've simply been too lazy to change is not the topic of discussion here.

[msj]

Um, I have stayed on topic while you continue to talk about yourself.....

[kimmy]

I'm certainly not suggesting this was smart on Trudeau's part. Just that it's being wildly exaggerated to score political points.

The idea that Ruth-Ellen Brosseau was unable to vote as a result of this incident is the most ridiculous of all. Chuck Cadman came to the HoC during chemotherapy to cast a vote. Ruth-Ellen Brosseau was so traumatized that she had to go to a safe-space to cry? That's either complete BS being promoted for political points, or Brosseau is an infant trapped in an adult's body. She might as well start wearing diapers and a bib to work. What a great role-model for young women.

-k

[BC_chick]

Um, I have stayed on topic while you continue to talk about yourself.....

Sorry? You started this it by calling me partisan as your only argument and even in your last post (which you have since edited) you made the issue about *my* partisanship.

More importantly, you also failed to acknowledge the crux of my post where I mentioned that the Speaker asking the PM to not 'manhandle' MP's is not business as usual and instead only concentrated on the fodder after where I called you out on your continued lack of substance in calling me partisan.

Nice try saying it's me though.

[msj]

Well stated, kimmy.

It's funny to see the CPC climb on board this safe space nonsense.

The response, as BCsapper has pointed out, is inappropriate especially in light of the constant apologies (which in itself is annoying- apologize once and move on to business).

I wish all parties would move on to conduct regular business.

Edited May 19, 2016 by msj

[msj]

Sorry? You started this it by calling me partisan as your only argument and even in your last post (which you have since edited) you made the issue about *my* partisanship..

I edited it to correct what I had quoted from you. The "business as usual" part did not carry through which made the post difficult to understand.

The point of that post was to comment on the MP's business and had nothing more to do with you, specifically.

Edited May 19, 2016 by msj

[Smoke]

Yep, that's the Liberal bench standing to applaud the PM's immature actions, right at the end of the clip.

[Rue]

1. Trudeau is a spoiled rich twit having tantrums when he can't get his own way-gosh never saw that coming.

2. The federal parliament is full of a bunch of gaseous, childish, melodramatic, affected, soft, pathetically idiotic morons.

with nothing better to do than whine.

3. The 2 deserve one another.

4. Yesterday looked like a Monty Python skit about drag queens fighting-reminded me of the drag races skit.

5. The NDP twit who grimaced in pain and claims to have missed a vote is a pathetic pathological liar-the fire in his eyes speech. the tantrums on all sides, the entire Parliament needs an enema.

Bottom line: this is what Canada deserves-a bunch of soft, melodramatic angrydrag queens from some Monty Python skit.

Bottom line is-what the phack is wrong with these idiots. This is one of the most important pieces of legislation facing all of Canada and all

these self indulgent narcissist pansies can do is whine about a tantrum?

Grow up the whole stinking lot of you and get back to work.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Rue

[waldo]

This is one of the most important pieces of legislation facing all of Canada and all these self indulgent narcissist pansies can do is whine about a tantrum?

of course, lost in translation! There is June 6th deadline imposed by the SCOC to have legislation in place to support those persons seeking doctor assisted death. For their own separate designs, both the CPC and NDP have been actively stalling moving required legislation forward... the vote in question yesterday was intended to get over the impasse and put a limit on debate - there's nothing new to be said, that hasn't already been said. It's time for a vote to allow the process to move forward... you know... so the Conservative dominated Senate can shut-er-down (as it/they have done previously for related assisted dying legislation). The NDP charade was blatant in its symbolism if nothing else... and we had the chortling Mulcair egging on his NDP members blocking the Opposition Conservative Whip from proceeding forward to allow the vote process to begin... the Government Liberal Whip Leslie passed by/through and was waiting near the Speaker to begin the process. The wait was on! Captain Liberal proceeded to unblock the NDP blockade... gently escorting the Conservative Whip through the NDP obstacles - would the NDP dare to (also) block the Prime Minister of Canada? Would Tom get Angry?

.

[Shady]

Zomg, maybe legislation won't get finished until June 7th! The horror of an arbitrary deadline!

[BC_chick]

His apology was nice. Unlike the many posters here, he acknowledges that he acted inappropriately.

I can respect that.

[Boges]

of course, lost in translation! There is June 6th deadline imposed by the SCOC to have legislation in place to support those persons seeking doctor assisted death. For their own separate designs, both the CPC and NDP have been actively stalling moving required legislation forward... the vote in question yesterday was intended to get over the impasse and put a limit on debate - there's nothing new to be said, that hasn't already been said. It's time for a vote to allow the process to move forward... you know... so the Conservative dominated Senate can shut-er-down (as it/they have done previously for related assisted dying legislation). The NDP charade was blatant in its symbolism if nothing else... and we had the chortling Mulcair egging on his NDP members blocking the Opposition Conservative Whip from proceeding forward to allow the vote process to begin... the Government Liberal Whip Leslie passed by/through and was waiting near the Speaker to begin the process. The wait was on! Captain Liberal proceeded to unblock the NDP blockade... gently escorting the Conservative Whip through the NDP obstacles - would the NDP dare to (also) block the Prime Minister of Canada? Would Tom get Angry?

.

Oh! so if it's all justifiable than JT's weak for apologizing . . . 3 times.