America under President Trump

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

As I said, Southron Hot Head Dueling Culture plays a part in this, it's not the guns or lack thereof, it's not the gun control or lack thereof.

Can you cite any studies that show that a Duelling culture is more responsible for Mass Shootings than the availability of military style weapons, or is that just an opinion? 

[dialamah]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

If he wanted to get a gun, it's not that hard, Canada's laws do not make it difficult to get a gun.

Still he couldn't, for whatever reason, and so my point is that what saved my son's life was lack of access to a gun.  

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Can you cite any studies that show that a Duelling culture is more responsible for Mass Shootings than the availability of military style weapons, or is that just an opinion? 

Yup. They don't just have more mass shootings, and gun deaths, they have more violent crimes of all sorts, and it's rooted in their honor culture which overemphasizes the importance of reputation, where slights are paid for in blood. Those with this culture who moved to big Northern cities brought that penchant for gun violence with them which is why those cities have so many gun deaths.

This culture didn't start in America, it started in a poor area of Scotland that also have similar crime issues compared to surrounding cultures, and migrated to South from there, as this is where those people settled.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yup. They don't just have more mass shootings, and gun deaths, they have more violent crimes of all sorts, and it's rooted in their honor culture which overemphasizes the importance of reputation, where slights are paid for in blood. Those with this culture who moved to big Northern cities brought that penchant for gun violence with them which is why those cities have so many gun deaths.

So just an opinion. No Citation. Just checking. 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

 Canada's laws do not make it difficult to get a gun. 

Relative to the US ?  Really ?  Cite ?

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Boges said:

So just an opinion. No Citation. Just checking. 

You can look up the difference in crime statistics at your own leisure, the difference is quite apparent. There is certainly more correlation between that Southron Hot Heads and gun deaths than gun control or amount of guns and gun deaths.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Relative to the US ?  Really ?  Cite ?

It's not that much easier to get a gun in New York than it is in Ontario, anyone who told you otherwise is misinformed or flat out lying.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It's not that much easier to get a gun in New York than it is in Ontario, anyone who told you otherwise is misinformed or flat out lying.

Do you know what a cite is ?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Do you know what a cite is ?

It's not me asking you to repeat an assertion that you haven't provided a source for.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

It's not me asking you to repeat an assertion that you haven't provided a source for.

Simply compare and contrast the laws, they aren't that different, what kind of cite are you looking for?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Simply compare and contrast the laws, they aren't that different, what kind of cite are you looking for?

It's not on me to prove an assertion that you have made.  Read the site guidelines.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

It's not on me to prove an assertion that you have made.  Read the site guidelines.

What laws do you think Canada has that make it so much more difficult to buy a gun? Because I'm not seeing it.

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

What laws do you think Canada has that make it so much more difficult to buy a gun? Because I'm not seeing it.

I really enjoy discussion here.  I don't enjoy having to post four times to explain the basics to a new poster.  Often times, I add them to my 'ignore' list because I am not paid to explain things to such people.  Take that any way you like, but my request stands for you to explain what the process is, generally, in America and Canada.  If you don't care to then you are free to make baseless claims all over this site.  Enjoy your time here.

[Yzermandius19]

The claim ain't baseless, you simply choose to not believe it, because you want to remain under the mistaken impression that it's so much harder to get a gun in Canada, which is an actually baseless assumption.

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The claim ain't baseless, you simply choose to not believe it, because you want to remain under the mistaken impression that it's so much harder to get a gun in Canada, which is an actually baseless assumption.

But you can't prove it, apparently.  So who is making baseless claims here?

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

But you can't prove it, apparently.  So who is making baseless claims here?

If I provide a cite, you'd ignore or dismiss the cite and simply move the goalposts, doubling down on confirmation bias. This ain't my first rodeo.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

But you can't prove it, apparently.  So who is making baseless claims here?

What is with these new posters who don't understand the basics ?  Kids today... 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What is with these new posters who don't understand the basics ?  Kids today... 

New posters who don't understand that citations never change anyone's mind, they simply result in cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias that leads to discussions of little benefit to the person using citations, or the person ignoring or dismissing those citations.

Most people around here don't argue in good faith, and most people on other forums don't either, pretending this place is on some pedestal where reasoned discourse is the norm and everyone is above that around here is laughable.

Y'all must have invented a fantasy forum in your head and are projecting unto this forum misguidedly, welcome to the internet, noobs.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

What laws do you think Canada has that make it so much more difficult to buy a gun? Because I'm not seeing it.

It's not a problem, one weekend course for Non-Restricted, if you want to go Restricted,  its another weekend course. It's just a money grab.

Bear in mind that Restricted weapons are limited to the range, but the regulations are so nonsensical, there are plenty of Non-restricted weapons worth having.

Thing about Restricted is that those guns are simply on the list because Liberals think they are scary looking, like the Armalite.

There's plenty of automatic rifles which are Non-Restricted, make no mistake.

The gun control in Canada is farcical, but don't let that stop you, it's not like its hard to pass the course and follow their silly nanny state rules.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not a problem, one weekend course for Non-Restricted, if you want to go Restricted,  its another weekend course. It's just a money grab.

Bare in mind that Restricted weapons are limited to the range, but the regulations are so nonsensical, there are plenty of Non-restricted weapons worth having.

Thing about Restricted is that those guns are simply on the list because Liberals think they are scary looking, like the Armalite.

There's plenty of automatic rifles which are Non-Restricted, make no mistake.

The gun control in Canada is farcical, but don't let that stop you, it's not like its hard to pass the course and follow their silly nanny state rules.

Gun control in every country is farcical, acting like the Canadian version is some big impediment to a future attempted murderer trying to acquire a gun than it is in America, that is simply wishful thinking by Canadians who are scared of scary looking guns.

Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They can pass the laws, but that doesn't make those laws a good idea, or constitutional. Passing unconstitutional laws to make you feel better about the Americans you look down on, is not a wise move for America. You have no good reason to infringe on people's rights, you just think America should do it because you are convinced it will work, yet you refuse to provide good reasons for that assumption to anyone else, they should just listen to you and "do something" no further explanation required, constitutional rights be damned.

You should check out the PATRIOT ACT (Bush Jr ) and the NDAA (Obama) if you want to talk about unconstitutional laws.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

You should check out the PATRIOT ACT (Bush Jr ) and the NDAA (Obama) if you want to talk about unconstitutional laws.

Well I am not a fan of the police state when it comes to infringing on the fourth or second amendments. Some of the anti-gun lefties around here might be cool with using the police state to restrict the second amendment rights of Americans, but I'm not.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Gun control in every country is farcical, acting like the Canadian version is some big impediment to a future attempted murderer trying to acquire a gun than it is in America, that is simply wishful thinking by Canadians who are scared of scary looking guns.

Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Restricted Class is basically about handguns, that's the main thing they Restrict, but what is Non-Restricted is still a pretty decent arsenal to be had, even by American standards.

M-14 and an 870, what more do you need?  That's what most Americans are rocking anyways.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Restricted Class is basically about handguns, that's the main thing they Restrict, but what is Non-Restricted is still a pretty decent arsenal to be had, even by American standards.

I guess gun control restrictions don't actually make Canada any safer than America, despite the claims of Eskimo Communists to the contrary, who knew?

Edited August 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[scribblet]

23 hours ago, Boges said:

Since his sister was one of the victims. I suspect this shooting was more personal than anything.

Don't think so, he was obsessed with violence, but it's all speculation we don't know. 

http://news.trust.org/item/20190806225836-tbkgw

Aug 6 (Reuters) - The gunman who killed his sister and eight other people in Dayton, Ohio, before he was slain by police had a history of violent obsessions and previously mused about committing mass murder, an FBI official said on Tuesday.

FBI agent Todd Wickerham told a news conference two days after the massacre in the streets of Dayton's historic downtown Oregon District that investigators have yet to conclude what motivated the killer or whether he may have had an accomplice.