Shady Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 The United States has the equivalent of the population of Canada, residing within it as illegal immigrants. And some people still deny that there's a problem. What does the number have to get to? 50 million? 100 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Truth Detector said: The United States has the equivalent of the population of Canada, residing within it as illegal immigrants. And some people still deny that there's a problem. What does the number have to get to? 50 million? 100 million? And they actually serve a purpose as ugly as it may be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ZzwGSF6Zg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iznogoud Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 hours ago, cannuck said: those numbers could be off by 3 or 4 orders of magnitude, according to several other estimates. The whole thing about undocumented illegals is that they aren't likely to be calling up the census or immigration office to report their presence I think the numbers speak for themselves. If you actually think Obama stopped three or four times as many so be it, but unless you come up with something better then I am standing by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Boges said: And they actually serve a purpose as ugly as it may be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ZzwGSF6Zg Lol. Serious answers only please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Iznogoud said: I think the numbers speak for themselves. If you actually think Obama stopped three or four times as many so be it, but unless you come up with something better then I am standing by them. No, I think Obummer did not count the ones that are there, because they are hardly there legally and openly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Truth Detector said: Lol. Serious answers only please. OK well you can pay $20 for a pound of Strawberries if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Remember when Obama talked about border security? Remember when Clinton talked about border security? Both have said the same things Trump has been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 U.S. students get punked with actual Democrat rhetoric about immigration and border security : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Boges said: OK well you can pay $20 for a pound of Strawberries if you want. How do you come to those calculations? Would you like to apply that to other industries as well? You know how cheap cars could be if we had people do those jobs for a fraction of the pay? Or how about homes? All your policy does is suppress wages. It allows businesses to not offer market based competitive wages and benefits they would otherwise be required to offer. Wages, like most things are determined by supply and demand. The supply of labour willing or able to do a particular job vs the demand. People won't do a job if they're getting paid peanuts to do it. That applies to ANY job. Not just the ones you cite. Suppressing wages for citizens, while exploiting the labour of non-citizens is about as disgusting as it gets. Start paying attention to the interests of actual CITIZENS of a country, as opposed to the interests of non-citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 19 hours ago, Truth Detector said: How do you come to those calculations? Would you like to apply that to other industries as well? You know how cheap cars could be if we had people do those jobs for a fraction of the pay? Or how about homes? All your policy does is suppress wages. It allows businesses to not offer market based competitive wages and benefits they would otherwise be required to offer. Wages, like most things are determined by supply and demand. The supply of labour willing or able to do a particular job vs the demand. People won't do a job if they're getting paid peanuts to do it. That applies to ANY job. Not just the ones you cite. Suppressing wages for citizens, while exploiting the labour of non-citizens is about as disgusting as it gets. Start paying attention to the interests of actual CITIZENS of a country, as opposed to the interests of non-citizens. I actually agree with that. But then that butts up against the very Liberal argument of making any job a job that receives a livable wage. So if you work a very low-skilled service sector job, you should be paid enough that you can achieve a certain quality of life. But once you do that, it creates a level of inflation that devalues other jobs. No easy answers for sure. The thing about seasonal agricultural works, is that they are just that. Seasonal, you don't want people doing that job for a season and then being able to go on EI. We have that problem in the East Coast where seasonal work followed by collecting EI has become the norm. So at least with illegal workers, they wouldn't receive that benefit. They'd just go back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 The U.S. job market remains strong despite all of Trump's policy critics....304,000 non-farm jobs added in January. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/payrolls-jobs-report-january-2019-230417259.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. job market remains strong despite all of Trump's policy critics....304,000 non-farm jobs added in January. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/payrolls-jobs-report-january-2019-230417259.html Jobs 2015 2.7 million 2016 2 million 2017 2.1 2018 2.6 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I want to know the nature of those jobs. Too much precarious and low paying part-time work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I want to know the nature of those jobs. Too much precarious and low paying part-time work. Maybe this will help. The U.S. auto industry's seven-year sales streak has come to an end, a tally showed Wednesday. The sales run that began after the recession in 2010, and one that included two consecutive years of record sales, fell short in 2017 with sales of 17.2 million vehicles, down 1.8% compared to 2016, industry tracker Autodata reported. https://www.usatoday.com/st... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I want to know the nature of those jobs. Too much precarious and low paying part-time work. Nope....the job growth was widespread in many sectors for full and part-time positions. Employers are having a hard time filling positions because of retiring boomers and intense competition for workers. Also, fewer immigrants are being granted work visas by the Trump administration...by design. Quote Multiple sectors helped contribute to the spike in job creation. Services rose by 224,000 and goods-producing industries increased by 72,000. Leisure and hospitality added 74,000 positions, with the biggest gain coming in bars and restaurants, which rose by 37,000. Construction saw a gain of 52,000, bringing its 12-month total to 338,000. Elsewhere, health care contributed 42,000, bringing its yearly gain to 368,000. Transportation and warehousing added 27,000 and retail grew by 21,000 following a year where the sector showed a total gain of just 26,000. Professional and business services were up 30,000 and manufacturing increased by 13,000, bringing that sector’s 12-month total to 261,000. The average work week remained at 34.5 hours. The labor force participation rate held steady at 63.1 percent while those counted as not in the labor force fell by 639,000 to just over 95 million. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/01/nonfarm-payrolls-january-2019.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope....the job growth was widespread in many sectors for full and part-time positions. Employers are having a hard time filling positions because of retiring boomers and intense competition for workers. Also, fewer immigrants are being granted work visas by the Trump administration...by design. If the pace of job growth continues and the debt to GDP ratio either declines or stays the same, I think it's fair to give Trump some credit for US economic growth. In reality, the US debt is rising in a time of economic growth, which seems to indicate that the additional growth in the economy since Obama is being paid for by increased debt. This basis for increased growth is unsustainable because it's predicated on increasing the debt. What's scarier is that when the economy slows, and it always does, there will be no way to stimulate growth except through yet more borrowing. Trump's tax cuts have been irresponsible, not only in terms of safeguarding the economy in case of recession, but because they make it impossible to seriously address other concerns like climate change. Basically Trump has borrowed money to increase consumption. Hope that the private sector can distribute benefits to all because government won't have the capacity. I'm skeptical. Edited February 3, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: If the pace of job growth continues and the debt to GDP ratio either declines or stays the same, I think it's fair to give Trump some credit for US economic growth. In reality, the US debt is rising in a time of economic growth, which seems to indicate that the additional growth in the economy since Obama is being paid for by increased debt. This basis for increased growth is unsustainable because it's predicated on increasing the debt. Trump doesn't care about the increasing debt, and clearly it was quite acceptable to the Obama administration as well because he continued Bush era tax cuts. I agree that it is not sustainable without inflationary pressure and higher interest rates, but that is not a concern today. Quote What's scarier is that when the economy slows, and it always does, there will be no way to stimulate growth except through yet more borrowing. Trump's tax cuts have been irresponsible, not only in terms of safeguarding the economy in case of recession, but because they make it impossible to seriously address other concerns like climate change. Basically Trump has borrowed money to increase consumption. Hope that the private sector can distribute benefits to all because government won't have the capacity. I'm skeptical. Trump (and Congress) are not the first to do this, and won't be the last. Climate change policies are not without higher costs as well. Those of us who lived through the 1970's American economy are not very impressed with today's doomsday economic predictions. The U.S. is now well past ZIRP conditions as the FED raised interest rates and stopped quantitative easing. There will be another recession regardless, just as before....the only question is when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump (and Congress) are not the first to do this, and won't be the last. Climate change policies are not without higher costs as well. Those of us who lived through the 1970's American economy are not very impressed with today's doomsday economic predictions. The U.S. is now well past ZIRP conditions as the FED raised interest rates and stopped quantitative easing. There will be another recession regardless, just as before....the only question is when. Indeed, but recessions are no big deal, as you say, we've lived through many of them, life was good tho, as it is what you make of it. Take your dollars converted to gold as necessary, tailgate for the Super Bowl, curl up by the fire and chill, same as it ever was. The Nattering Nabobs of Negativity are of no consequence to the real world, same as it ever was. This is the land of milk and honey now, for anyone who lived through the "good ol' days" of the 1970's. The Millennials weren't there, so only they have a nostalgia for an America that never was. Edited February 3, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 President Trump calls out the socialists in SOTU speech: Quote "Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country," the president said. "America was founded on liberty and independence - not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free, and we will stay free." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/05/trump_america_will_never_be_a_socialist_country_we_were_born_free_and_we_shall_stay_free.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 That was one of the better SOTU's I've seen, obviously urbane bourgeois elitists can't stand Jacksonian, but like me ol pappy used to say, f**k them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Yes, I would have to agree. Trump looked more relaxed than before, more confident in his rhetoric, and played to the politicized audience quite well. I was surprised to see that a CNN commissioned poll found overall approval of Trump's SOTU speech, despite all the drama surrounding the government shutdown and speech delay. Quote About 6 in 10 speech-watchers had very positive reactions to the President's speech, better than the 48% who reacted that well last year and around the same as the 57% very positive mark in 2017. Those positive marks cut across demographic lines -- with majorities of men (60%) and women (58%), under age 50 (54%) and those 50 or older (61%), and those with (52%) and without (63%) college degrees rating it "very positive." https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/politics/state-of-the-union-poll/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Trump is Trump, he's got his own style, but it was actually the content which I was impressed by, only Nixon can go to China, only MAGA can call for peace and realism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Trump is more fun off script....reading speeches on the teleprompter bores him. Can't wait for the 2020 campaign trail...."Lock her up !!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 I liked the plain spoken just read the damn script aspect. Don't shine me on, just state your case plainly and clearly, ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump is more fun off script....reading speeches on the teleprompter bores him. Can't wait for the 2020 campaign trail...."Lock her up !!!" Not that I was paying much attention to the details, but I never got the whole "lock her up!" thing. What was the crime again? Was it the security breach with her computer, or is it Benghazi related? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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