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On ‎3‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 12:36 AM, Carlus Magnus said:

No.

I'm talking about Barrack Obama using the US Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation to illegally spy on Candidate Trump.  Then attempt to overturn the legitimate election of Donald Trump.

But you knew that.

No. I didn't. Because you just made that up to justify supporting a mob boss clown for president.

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On 3/4/2019 at 9:32 AM, BubberMiley said:

No. I didn't. Because you just made that up to justify supporting a mob boss clown for president.

The Obama Admin spied on the Trump team, he did not make that up. They created a bullshit justification to get a FISA warrant, via the Steele Dossier. If you didn't know that, you are only paying attention to the news when it's anti-Trump.

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12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The Obama Admin spied on the Trump team, he did not make that up. They created a bullshit justification to get a FISA warrant, via the Steele Dossier. If you didn't know that, you are only paying attention to the news when it's anti-Trump.

If you believe that, you're only paying attention to the news when it's fake.

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17 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The Obama Admin spied on the Trump team, he did not make that up. They created a bullshit justification to get a FISA warrant, via the Steele Dossier. If you didn't know that, you are only paying attention to the news when it's anti-Trump.

By "the Obama admin spied  on the Trump team", are you referring to the FBI surveilling the criminals, like Cohen, Flynn, and Manafort, on the Trump team? Are you referring to how Manafort was a spy for hostile foreign powers while part of the Trump team and is currently in jail because of that? How is that Obama's fault?

I think your Orange Man Good bubble has popped and  you're taking it out on me.  :lol:

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3 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

By "the Obama admin spied  on the Trump team", are you referring to the FBI surveilling the criminals, like Cohen, Flynn, and Manafort, on the Trump team? Are you referring to how Manafort was a spy for hostile foreign powers while part of the Trump team and is currently in jail because of that? How is that Obama's fault?

I think your Orange Man Good bubble has popped and  you're taking it out on me.  :lol:

No I am referring to the Obama admin pushing to bug Trump Tower because they suspected collusion based on a phony dossier, that they made up, before the election.

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1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

No I am referring to the Obama admin pushing to bug Trump Tower because they suspected collusion based on a phony dossier, that they made up, before the election.

Wasn't even a bug, it was the Big Ear, No Such Agency.  They can turn everything into a bug, the entire country is one big listening device.

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1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

No I am referring to the Obama admin pushing to bug Trump Tower because they suspected collusion based on a phony dossier, that they made up, before the election.

That's not really how it happened, but what evidence do you have that it's phony? All the things in it that have since been corroborated? Or all the guys who provided information for it who have since mysteriously died? Did you know the GOP originally initiated the dossier when Trump was in primaries? The intelligence community certainly seems to believe it. Who's your source of information that made you believe it was fake?

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3 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

That's not really how it happened, but what evidence do you have that it's phony? All the things in it that have since been corroborated? Or all the guys who provided information for it who have since mysteriously died? Did you know the GOP originally initiated the dossier when Trump was in primaries? The intelligence community certainly seems to believe it. Who's your source of information that made you believe it was fake?

Golden Showers and shit, give me a break dude, it's tabloid nonsense passed off as legitimate intelligence, as a lame excuse to spy on Trump campaign. If you can't see that, there is no helping you.

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This is nothing new.   This is why Nixon ordered the plumbers to break into the Watergate.  

Nixon had interfered in the peace negotiations to undermine Lyndon Johnson.

Nixon was afraid that J. Edgar Hoover had the wiretaps.

He thought the Democrats might have those in their safe at the Watergate.

That is what he was after, that is why he risked all to try to get those wiretaps.

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13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Golden Showers and shit, give me a break dude, it's tabloid nonsense passed off as legitimate intelligence, as a lame excuse to spy on Trump campaign. If you can't see that, there is no helping you.

So you have no information other than your own wishful thinking?

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8 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

So you have no information other than your own wishful thinking?

No, there's plenty of information on how they did it.  Here it is in graphic format and a Link to complete rundown with references below(including US government documents).

Short Synopsis:  Obama and Clinton both needed Hillarys email problem scrubbed.  In Aug of 2015 they assembled a team to deal with this, the job was called Operation Midyear Exam which concluded in July 2016 when Comey cleared Hillary.  That same team quickly transitioned to a new job, the insurance policy if Trump won, it was called Operation Crossfire Hurricane which had essentially started in Dec 2015 when Nelly Ohr, who worked for both the FBI and Fusion GPS had started assembling data on Trump.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/23/reconciling-spygate-with-the-soft-coup-five-phases-that-explain-the-behavior/

 

 

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Are you saying that the FBI should never have investigated and charged all the Russian spies involved with the Trump campaign? But the investigation resulted in numerous charges. Many of the people involved have pled guilty. How can you think it was an anti-Trump conspiracy when there were so many people charged? Shouldn't you be thanking the FBI for rooting out the corrupt swamp dwellers that lurked among and victimized poor Trump? If it wasn't for them, you would still have that horrible despicable liar Michael Cohen running finances for the RNC and governing Trump's legal affairs. How ungrateful can you get? :lol:

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47 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Are you saying that the FBI should never have investigated and charged all the Russian spies involved with the Trump campaign? But the investigation resulted in numerous charges. Many of the people involved have pled guilty. How can you think it was an anti-Trump conspiracy when there were so many people charged? Shouldn't you be thanking the FBI for rooting out the corrupt swamp dwellers that lurked among and victimized poor Trump? If it wasn't for them, you would still have that horrible despicable liar Michael Cohen running finances for the RNC and governing Trump's legal affairs. How ungrateful can you get? :lol:

The info they used to start the investigation was a ginned up bs, and had nothing to do with anything they found, it was a fishing expedition that was only authorized because it was going to be used against Trump. Obvious witch hunt is obvious, from the very beginning. The investigation has since found more collusion between the Democrats and the Russians than between the Trump team and the Russians, yet been they've turning over every rock to find dirt on Trump and are failing miserably.

Getting rid of Michael Cohen, is a useful side effect, but not worth a political witch hunt to achieve it, Trump could have just fired him eventually anyway, he has been to do such things.

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47 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Are you saying that the FBI should never have investigated and charged all the Russian spies involved with the Trump campaign? But the investigation resulted in numerous charges. Many of the people involved have pled guilty. How can you think it was an anti-Trump conspiracy when there were so many people charged? Shouldn't you be thanking the FBI for rooting out the corrupt swamp dwellers that lurked among and victimized poor Trump? If it wasn't for them, you would still have that horrible despicable liar Michael Cohen running finances for the RNC and governing Trump's legal affairs. How ungrateful can you get? :lol:

 

I'm fine with all politicians being investigated.  If people broke the law, prosecute them.  But don't single out people for investigation and prosecution.  Maybe someday we can get the FBI to look at the 'hacked' DNC servers.

However, the FBI never had proper pretext that a crime was committed prior to starting their investigation.   The actions of the small selected team, ran by Andrew McCabe was so egregious that Admiral Rogers of the NSA turned in the FBI for abuse of the FISA process and illegal spying.  

Please tell me what the pretext for crime was between Dec 2015 and March 2016 to start investigating the Trump campaign.

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7 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

 

I'm fine with all politicians being investigated.  If people broke the law, prosecute them.  But don't single out people for investigation and prosecution.  Maybe someday we can get the FBI to look at the 'hacked' DNC servers.

However, the FBI never had proper pretext that a crime was committed prior to starting their investigation.   The actions of the small selected team, ran by Andrew McCabe was so egregious that Admiral Rogers of the NSA turned in the FBI for abuse of the FISA process and illegal spying.  

Please tell me what the pretext for crime was between Dec 2015 and March 2016 to start investigating the Trump campaign.

Huh? Don't single out people for investigation and prosecution? That's kind of how it works. If there is an indication they broke the law, they get investigated. It turned out all the investigations were fruitful and Trump's campaign manager is going to be going away for 25 years. It think they are investigating the hacked DNC servers. That's why Trump's buddy Roger Stone is going away for a very long time.

The "pretext for crime" was that there were a bunch of criminals,  like Paul Manafort, running the Trump campaign and being in contact with Russian spies. This is not in dispute by anyone, including Paul Manafort. Well, not anymore. They all lied about it when first asked. Perhaps your sources haven't been keeping you abreast of the latest developments and you're still trying to blame Hillary. :lol:

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5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Huh? Don't single out people for investigation and prosecution? That's kind of how it works. If there is an indication they broke the law, they get investigated. It turned out all the investigations were fruitful and Trump's campaign manager is going to be going away for 25 years. It think they are investigating the hacked DNC servers. That's why Trump's buddy Roger Stone is going away for a very long time.

The "pretext for crime" was that there were a bunch of criminals,  like Paul Manafort, running the Trump campaign and being in contact with Russian spies. This is not in dispute by anyone, including Paul Manafort. Well, not anymore. They all lied about it when first asked. Perhaps your sources haven't been keeping you abreast of the latest developments and you're still trying to blame Hillary. :lol:

Manafort talking with the Russians is not a "pretext for crime", and Manafort's crimes weren't used as justification to start the investigation. They found that after the investigation began, it was fishing expedition ginned up for entirely political reasons,, they took a shot and crossed their fingers. It had nothing to do with actual crimes they suspected were committed prior to the investigation, if it had, they would have included it make a better case for starting the investigation, yet they didn't.

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1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

The "pretext for crime" was that there were a bunch of criminals,  like Paul Manafort, running the Trump campaign and being in contact with Russian spies. This is not in dispute by anyone, including Paul Manafort. Well, not anymore. They all lied about it when first asked. Perhaps your sources haven't been keeping you abreast of the latest developments and you're still trying to blame Hillary. :lol:

Really.  

Pray tell, why did the FBI open their investigation on Trump before Manafort worked on the Trump campaign ?

At the time the FBI opened the investigation into Trump Paul Manafort was still associated with the Podesta Group, an ally of Hillary Clinton.  Further, what Paul Manafort has been charged with happened prior to him being part of the Trump campaign.  

To date, you have offered no evidence, no documents, no links of anything you are saying to be true.  What you have offered is CNN talking points.

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8 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

Really.  

Pray tell, why did the FBI open their investigation on Trump before Manafort worked on the Trump campaign ?

At the time the FBI opened the investigation into Trump Paul Manafort was still associated with the Podesta Group, an ally of Hillary Clinton.  Further, what Paul Manafort has been charged with happened prior to him being part of the Trump campaign.  

To date, you have offered no evidence, no documents, no links of anything you are saying to be true.  What you have offered is CNN talking points.

Manafort became head of the campaign in March 2016. The investigation was  opened in July 2016 not because of the Steele dossier but because an unusual number of Russian spies (Papadopolous, Manafort, etc.) were part of his campaign. You are free to deny reality because you can't stand how stupid it makes you feel.

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1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

Manafort became head of the campaign in March 2016. The investigation was  opened in July 2016 not because of the Steele dossier but because an unusual number of Russian spies (Papadopolous, Manafort, etc.) were part of his campaign. You are free to deny reality because you can't stand how stupid it makes you feel.

The FISA warrant was issued because of the Steele Dossier, that is a fact. You pretending it's about something else that doesn't warrant probable cause, doesn't change reality.

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