Canadians FEAR Trump...Big Time

[betsy]

Trudeau didn't mention Trump directly in those remarks,

Trudeau was responding to a question from a voter sent by social media, who asked whether the newly elected PM would “stand up to Trump and condemn his hateful rhetoric.”

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeau-takes-on-donald-trump/

IF we can't logically follow an article in its context, and we can't understand that Trudeau was alluding to Trump.......

......... boy, we've really got very, very serious problems.

And, Trudeau ain't it.

Edited April 7, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeau-takes-on-donald-trump/

......... boy, we've really got very, very serious problems.

You're just taking a snippet of his remarks out of context. He made it clear he was speaking generally in the part you edited out.

I assume you haven't seen the whole video, because he said very clearly he must be careful not to talk specifically about U.S. presidential candidates and that he must make sure he can have a strong relationship with whomever the U.S. elects. Then he commented generally on the politics of division and how they apply in a Canadian context.

You can see the video in the link you provided. You should have watched it before you commented on it.

Edited April 7, 2016 by BubberMiley

[Guest]

Betsy, for one what Trudeau said wasn't hateful rhetoric it was a reserved, well stated response. However, why do you claim that hateful, rhetoric is unbecoming of a leader, yet support Trump who speaks nothing but?

[betsy]

Betsy, for one what Trudeau said wasn't hateful rhetoric it was a reserved, well stated response. However, why do you claim that hateful, rhetoric is unbecoming of a leader, yet support Trump who speaks nothing but?

That term, "hateful" rhetoric, is so wildly abused and used whenever convenient.

What is a so-called, "hateful" rhetoric?

Especially when they're coming from nominee(s) laying out their platform in a campaign?

Candidates of course, would tell people what they want to do if they win! They're selling their ideas!

So Trump wants to build a wall, and he explained why.

And he wants to temporarily ban non-US Muslims from entering the US, and he explained why.

That may be "hateful" to you.....but just because you think it is, does not mean it is. It only means that you're looking at it from a very narrow angle...... or maybe you've been programmed to have a politically correct mindset.

Political correctness, is, what's hateful, frankly speaking. It distorts and twists, and hatefully label people who exercise

their right to speak.....if they don't speak the "proper" way, and use the "proper" words.

Like this latest example: the woman who got fired from her job just for using the term, "fat!"

Fired for using the 'fat' word: Alberta woman gets apology from plus-size store

Levitsky wrote: "Conquering the world, one well-dressed fat lady at a time."

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fired-using-fat-word-alberta-woman-gets-apology-193951307.html

The word "fat," is taboo now, to describe those who are......fat? Really?

Political correctness is all about......control. Controlling others on how they should behave, talk etc..,

And political correctness seems to make certain people who adhere to it, to react....without thinking things through. Seriously.

To incite hatred and violence to a certain group is bigotry.....but that is not the case with Trump (which has already been explained).However, the politically correct militia deliberately insists to label Trump with that hateful rhetoric of being a racist and a bigot - based on the platform that he offers. So, who's actually being hateful?

To take swipes at the nominees of another nation (despite advise from ambassadors), is a show of lack of restraint, and diplomacy. It's juvenile.....and unbecoming of a leader of a nation. What more when you've just been feted by Obama (and the "bromance," widely publicised)....it smacks of partisanship!

The politically correct ought to learn how to mind their own business. That's what's the problem here by the looks of it.

The politically correct are simply..... the hypocritically, meddlesome lot.

Edited April 7, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

To take swipes at the nominees of another nation (despite advise from ambassadors), is a show of lack of restraint, and diplomacy.

It's juvenile.....and unbecoming of a leader of a nation. What more when you've just been feted by Obama (and the "bromance," widely publicised)....it smacks of partisanship!

What's worse is deliberately misrepresenting what someone says, even after being shown that you are misrepresenting what they said. It smacks of partisanship!

[waldo]

Political correctness, is, what's hateful, frankly speaking. It distorts and twists, and hatefully label people who exercise their right to speak.....if they don't speak the "proper" way, and use the "proper" words.

a travesty! That association made between Trumpisim and racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, vulgarity, threats and violence is just the PC establishment run amuck... Trump is clearly just... misunderstood, hey MLW member betsy?

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[betsy]

What's worse is deliberately misrepresenting what someone says, even after being shown that you are misrepresenting what they said. It smacks of partisanship!

Read the article again:

Then came that big “however.”

Without addressing Trump by name, Trudeau said leaders should respond to recent terrorist attacks by focusing on “keeping our communities united, instead of trying to build walls and scapegoat communities. And I mean to talk directly about the Muslim community. They are the greatest victims of terrorist acts around the world. Painting ISIS and others with a broad brush that extends to all Muslims is not just ignorant, it’s irresponsible.”

His spinners will no doubt characterize his remarks as abstract observations. But there was no mistaking where Trudeau was going. By that point of the broadcast, he’d already spoken glowingly of his conversations with current President Barack Obama, whom Trump has set up as a craven weakling whose very credentials as a native-born American are, to Trump, in question.

Trump’s call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S., meanwhile, flies in the face of positions Canada’s rookie Prime Minister staked out during his own campaign, opposing Conservative promises for bans on religious veils during citizenship ceremonies while promising to land 25,000 Syrian refugees in Canada by the New Year (he’s stuck by that number, but backed off on the ambitious timeline).

In short, the prospect of a Donald J. Trump presidency clearly doesn’t appeal to Trudeau. So on Wednesday, he played as close to the line as he could without saying the man’s unfit to lead the democratic world.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeau-takes-on-donald-trump/

You're parroting his spinners.

Edited April 7, 2016 by betsy

[waldo]

You're parroting his spinners.

you're deliberately misrepresenting what was said - it's been pointed out multiple times. It is clearly your prerogative to continue to ignore others pointing out your own, as you say, parroting. Perhaps you should consider staying away from 'evidence based' discussion.

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Edited April 7, 2016 by waldo

[taxme]

The media enjoys trying to bring up something bad all the time about Trump, and it's the same thing over and over everyday, especially with the media in Canada. I pretty well watch the Canadian so-called news media everyday, and I have yet to hear anything from what Ezra Levant calls the media party(Global/CTV/CBC)about Hillary. This is something big that Hillary is being investigated on, and it should be mentioned everyday also. If they are going to constantly attack Trump everyday then they should do it also with Hillary. Otherwise, the media should shut up about what Trump may have said about women or minorities. I get sick and tired of hearing from the media about the plight of women and minorities all the time.

[BubberMiley]

Read the article again:

You're parroting his spinners.

So predictable that his "spinners" would reiterate what he actually said. But it is comical that someone who doesn't bow to "political correctness" would get in a snit over what they imagine Trudeau meant when he said something else entirely.

[Topaz]

Let's remember the owners of the news media in the US are also the same elite that want to stop Trump. Too bad the US is so corrupt in their elections, that the average voter doesn't really know if its an honest results.

[bush_cheney2004]

Let's remember the owners of the news media in the US are also the same elite that want to stop Trump. Too bad the US is so corrupt in their elections, that the average voter doesn't really know if its an honest results.

This doesn't even make any sense....U.S. voters have more direct democracy for federal offices than in Canada, where corruption is just part of doing business and nobody goes to prison. Trump and his rivals fight hard and spend lots of money because there is no "natural ruling party" to put the fix in.

Edited April 9, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[waldo]

Trump and his rivals fight hard and spend lots of money because their is no "natural ruling party" to put the fix in.

voter corruption/fraud... in Canada? As compared to the U.S.? Oh my! Talk about putting the fix in - that's done by RNC and DNC officials, right? Watching the Republican banana-republic process in play right now is gold, real gold!

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[Rue]

I am not sure how many Canadians really give a damn who the President of the US is. I think most could care less but those of us on this on this on this forum and a minority of the population would because we are political junkies.

I think people are more concerned with what happens to Cookie on Empire or whether Kim Kardashian is showing herself naked on twitter than the US election.

Myself I find Trump just another demagogue in a long list of blowhard politicians that come and go. He's no man of substance. For any man or woman to be the President they are a figurehead and they have to be willing to be controlled by a vast, complex machine full of people and agendas no one really has a true handle on.

A President is a whore-they have to be willing to sell out and do what they are told, when, where, and how the politics machine demands.

If someone like Regan can be President 4 years with Alzheimer's, when we can have a US President as mentally dense as Bush Jr. for 8 years, or even Gerald Ford, should tell you a machine can manage any idiot in the office.

I think for that reason a volatile fool like Trump could be puppetized to do the bidding of the behind the scenes power brokers. He's simply a salesman, a puff pastry with no substance. He would need a machine behind him, the one he does not have now and has abandon Cruz as well. He and Cruz are fighting to be the puppet for the Republican power machine only the machine wants neither.

That machine may well broker the convention and plop their own buttox boy or girl in yet.

Is Trump a danger. Sure to himself. People like him melt down and get themselves assassinated or die of heart attacks or choking on

cucumber sandwitches or in compromising sex positions in brothels. Politics can get rid of its unstable lunatics.

Politics murdered Martin Luther King, RFK, JFK, it sure as hell can take out Trump if it wanted to.

So what me worry.

No-whoever who gets to play POTUS is just a puppet on a string.

I am more worried about instability in Europe because a civil war is coming there which will lead to a major showdown between the West and East with Russia and China siding with the East. Its coming. Whoever the US leader is at that point, it will be interesting to see.

Great US Presidents like Truman or FDR had a strong cast of supporters. Its who you surround yourself with for advice. Right now neither Cruz or Trump has an entourage like that. Clinton does, Bernie does not.

If and when I know who are the entourages for Trump, Cruz or Comrade Bernie, I might worry.

Obama did not worry me until he brought in Brezinski, over 8 Muslim Brotherhood supporters into his POTUS and John Kerry.

I had no idea how much of a puppet he was until the full extent of his handlers became known.

We all knew with the dummy Bush, Chaney and Rumsfeld and Haliburton ran the US.

I just can't see any establishment people hitching onto Trump.

To be a US President, you have to be quiet and smile when you kill someone. He can't do either.

He literally makes too much noise when he screws his audience. Its distracting. The audience wants some

gentle foreplay. He comes across as a screaming, hooting over stimulated teen ager.

His political style is all premature ejaculation.

[Topaz]

BC, u need a reality check, even when GW was running, computers had 17,000 votes for GW even BEFORE the polls opened. His friends who owned the software slipped up badly and people were on to them. Now, I hear the Trump is going to sue over voter fraud in certain states. As far as the Democrat and Republican parties being individual parties...normally yes, but when u have a Clinton and a bush in it, they are on the same side of the elites of the world. Bill and Bush sr. are old friends from drug running when Bill was governor.

[PIK]

Not all the Canadians are scared of trump. .Now if cruz's finger is on the nuke button, different story. LOL

[bush_cheney2004]

BC, u need a reality check, even when GW was running, computers had 17,000 votes for GW even BEFORE the polls opened. His friends who owned the software slipped up badly and people were on to them.

This is nonsense of course...and off topic. Let's just stick to some Canadians being really really scared of Donald Trump.

[Topaz]

This is nonsense of course...and off topic. Let's just stick to some Canadians being really really scared of Donald Trump.

I can't keep on topic if u keep coming up with your off the cuff remarks about Canada or Canadians and besides, I don't know any Canadians that fear Trump, that belong in your country under the Republican banner.

[bush_cheney2004]

I can't keep on topic if u keep coming up with your off the cuff remarks about Canada or Canadians and besides, I don't know any Canadians that fear Trump, that belong in your country under the Republican banner.

The topic is about Canadians FEARing Trump because it is U.S. politics that they love to watch so much (that's why this Canadian forum has a dedicated area just for "United States Politics"). The 2016 show is just beginning.

Edited April 11, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[waldo]

The topic is about Canadians FEARing Trump because it is U.S. politics that they love to watch so much (that's why this Canadian forum has a dedicated area just for "United States Politics"). The 2016 show is just beginning.

given you started this "Fearing Trump" thread in an attempt to make some kind of a point, if this sub-forum wasn't here for you... just what would you do!!! But c'mon, a MLW sub-forum within the umbrella 'International Politics" forum - shocking! Given your absolute obsession with Canada it's hard to believe you can't see the rationale for a dedicated U.S. Politics sub-forum... you know, particularly as Canada is just so important to the U.S. in terms of trade; energy/resources; shared history, border, coasts, atmosphere, etc.; tourism; security; defense; etc.. Surely you're aware of all this, right? You should broaden your horizons and check out some of the larger U.S. political discussion boards... dedicated International forums... some even with dedicated Canada sub-forums - go figure!

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[GostHacked]

This doesn't even make any sense....U.S. voters have more direct democracy for federal offices than in Canada, where corruption is just part of doing business and nobody goes to prison. Trump and his rivals fight hard and spend lots of money because there is no "natural ruling party" to put the fix in.

Hahahah , no. Primaries, delegates, superpacs, are the perfect examples as why it is not a direct democracy. You only get to chose from the ones who got filtered out. The correct way would be to have all the candidates on the ballot, all dems, all reps. Damn, what a riot it would be for Americans to have more choices than one douche and one turd. They should be allowed to vote for the douche or turd of their choice. But damn, don't you know it's a Republic? "Direct Democracy" hahahaha.....

But sure, I am just a Canadian in a federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy. Regardless of the party I voted for, I still had more than two choices.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Canadian fear factor just got cranked up a few notches...headed for "11". Donald Trump is about to close the deal of his life, and have alot of fun doing it, NAFTA be damned:

Canada Fears What Lies South of the Border

The growing possibility of a President Trump is fueling anxiety across the country.

...But Trump has attacked NAFTA and promised to renegotiate it or break it if elected president. "Every agreement has an end,'' he said in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes." Needless to say, Canadians have found such comments unsettling.

"Canada depends on trade relations with the U.S. that are governed by rules and regulations," says Hale. "If the U.S. doesn't abide by them, Canada is in trouble — and Trump seems more inclined to ignore existing laws than [Democratic frontrunner Hillary] Clinton."

http://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-04-25/canadians-worried-what-a-trump-presidency-might-bring

Edited May 4, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[waldo]

The Canadian fear factor just got cranked up a few notches...headed for "11". Donald Trump is about to close the deal of his life, and have alot of fun doing it, NAFTA be damned:

other than showcasing your gleeful-self over any opportunity to bump your own "Fear" thread/agenda, up until a year ago, Canada was the U.S.' largest trading partner... let the U.S. "fear" Canadian shifts towards other alternate global trading partners. Smell ya later!

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[jacee]

The U.S. is just a bad joke.

Hey ... Harper's on the down low these days. He's helping Trump ... right?

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[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. is just a bad joke.

So bad...but so important to Canada according to Justin Trudeau...it's not even funny,