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Donald Trump said that he wants the U.S. to engage in War Crimes by killing babies. None of the other republicans have said that's a good idea.

Ex-Canadian Ted Cruz has called for "carpet bombing into oblivion" for ISIS....this would include killing some "babies".

Donald Trump said that he wants to get rid of trade deals like NAFTA. As far as I know, none of the other Republicans have called for ending NAFTA.

So? Plenty of politicians have called for review and/or abogation of NAFTA....in Canada as well. Why is it bad for Trump to say this ?

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Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Uh, no, he didn't.

Trump started the "downward spiral" long before Romney opened his mouth to talk about Trump, long before Rubio started making comments about Trump's penis.

Trump started it by insulting Farina. (Even if later he "took it back", the fact is he still insulted her. And he started it by commenting on Hillary getting "Shlonged" by Obama. And by attacking journalists.

He also started it by talking about Rubio sweating way back in September.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/24/donald-trump-is-attacking-marco-rubio-for-being-sweaty-why/

All these events, all of these personal attacks by Trump, happened long before Romney made his comments. Long before Rubio made jokes about Trump's penis.

Fine, but you know what? Its been pointed to you that you were wrong... that it was Trump that started engaging in low-brow personal attacks, and not Romney.

Now would be the appropriate time to acknowledge that you were wrong and move on.

A leader of a country can and should be diplomatic; engaging in personal attacks is the opposite of that.

Donald Trump said that he wants the U.S. to engage in War Crimes by killing babies. None of the other republicans have said that's a good idea.

Donald Trump said that he wants to get rid of trade deals like NAFTA. As far as I know, none of the other Republicans have called for ending NAFTA.

There may also be some similarities, but given the fact that its a republican primary, you would expect all members to have at least some similarity in policies. The trouble is, where the policies differ, Trump would be a complete disaster.

You're missing my point. Trump in the early days of the race was seen as a caricature. No one took him seriously.

He was Mr Showmanship! He was abrasive....and the media lapped it all up.

The Republican establishment had pointed to his low-level, upholding themselves as respectable compared to him.

That, all changed the moment Romney came out swinging and hurling personal insults. Followed by Rubio.....and now by Ted Cruz (re war on wives)!

Understandably, Trump was upset about the photo of his wife.

Ted Cruz should've just explained that he's got nothing to do with the photo of Trump's wife. Period.

And he should've left it at that!

If they point to Trump as a pig in a pigsty - look who joined, and are all rolling around with him? They're now all just the same, aren't they? The Republican establishment has no more claim on respectability! They're all tabloid materials!

(I think only Kasich refrains from the low-brow fray, though? If indeed that's true, he is commendable).

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I don't know much about the nitty gritty....but I love the "dream" - if that's just what it is.

One thing I do know - we've got the numbers. So why shouldn't we have a huge influence?

If Christians can put pressure on governments to do what is righteous in the eyes of God - we should.

That's part of our job as Christians.

10 Reasons You Can't Be A Christian And Vote For Trump

1. He lacks compassion. On this point, we could cite Mr. Trump’s many instances of inflammatory rhetoric against immigrants and Muslims, his record of discriminatory housing practices, his public cruelty to ex-spouses or his sensational and mean-spirited feuds with other celebrities as evidence of his lack of compassion.

2. He appeals to fear and anger. But Christians are called to love without fear. Mr. Trump has chosen to make immigration and the economy central themes of his campaign and his rhetoric surrounding these issues consistently appeals to fear and anger, absent appeals to love. Most notoriously, he chose to characterize Hispanic immigrants as rapists.

3. He is enamored with “greatness” and ego, but has no concern for “goodness” or service. In The Narcissist Next Door, author Jeffrey Kluger suggests Trump is a classic narcissist. Some might say that running for office encourages this sort of thing. But narcissism might be the most dangerous condition for a Christian — without humility and self-effacement, we are incapable of modeling Jesus’ behavior, we allow no space for the Holy Spirit to bless our relationships, and we are unable to receive or revel in the goodness of God. Ask yourself the last time you saw a public expression of humility from Mr. Trump.

4. He lies — a lot. Lying was enough to get two presidents impeached. Christian or not, telling the truth less than one-quarter of the time while a candidate is the reddest of flags.

5. He is hostile to women. The Bible says: “But now you must get rid of all such things—anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive language from your mouth.”

6. He speaks about his daughter in a disrespectful and sexualized way. The Bible says: “Do you have daughters? Be concerned for their chastity, and do not show yourself too indulgent with them.”

4 more are listed in the linked article but I'm sure you get my drift.

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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Sorry, WCR....you've got your reasons, I've got mine.

But isn't it the job of Christians to put pressure on governments to do what is righteous in the eyes of God? (your words, not mine) That seems in contradiction to Trump's actions.

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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He has certainly done better than The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau, who also had fatherly connections. Trump is still creating jobs in Canada (e.g. Vancouver).

I did not know that Trudeau was holding himself up as some kind of successful business man.

Also don't see his relevance to a thread about Trump.

What is your fascination with Canadiana here?

If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist)

My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx

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I did not know that Trudeau was holding himself up as some kind of successful business man.

Also don't see his relevance to a thread about Trump.

What is your fascination with Canadiana here?

The relevance is the actual impact that Trump has for business and jobs compared to The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.

Any "fascination" I may have is dwarfed by the Canadian fascination in Trump, including direct and indirect comments by The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.

Objection overruled....

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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The relevance is the actual impact that Trump has for business and jobs compared to The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.

Well, I would hope that a person who runs businesses would have a direct impact on jobs as compared to the leader of a country.

Politicians create very few jobs. Or at least very few effective jobs. But jobs do get created under their watch.

Any "fascination" I may have is dwarfed by the Canadian fascination in Trump, including direct and indirect comments by The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.

Objection overruled....

But why does it matter?

Some people are fascinated by this, others by that, so why the concern?

If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist)

My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx

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But why does it matter?

Some people are fascinated by this, others by that, so why the concern?

Ask The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau, who, like other Canadians, is very concerned about Donald Trump.

Add him to the FEAR list....

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Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Ask The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau, who, like other Canadians, is very concerned about Donald Trump.

Add him to the FEAR list....

I suspect any concern Trudeau has about Trump is just to sneer and shake his head at his latest he has spewed at a date or campaign rally. Much the same as the rest of Canada. Well perhaps excluding Cape Breton real estate owners.

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I suspect any concern Trudeau has about Trump is just to sneer and shake his head at his latest he has spewed at a date or campaign rally. Much the same as the rest of Canada. Well perhaps excluding Cape Breton real estate owners.

That's fine too....but is nevertheless an active, continuing Canadian interest and engagement with Donald Trump, a candidate in a foreign election.

The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau has voluntarily injected himself into the topic and discussion, despite advice to steer clear.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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It's not good that the Republicans had all descended into that kind of a fiasco. It's unbecoming.

That's been the standard of the US elections for about 20+ years no. Democrats and Republicans.

Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser

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That's fine too....but is nevertheless an active, continuing Canadian interest and engagement with Donald Trump, a candidate in a foreign election.

The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau has voluntarily injected himself into the topic and discussion, despite advice to steer clear.

Apparently the Right Honorable has certainly captured your attention. I'm thinkin', seemingly much more than Trump has, or will ever capture his. Interesting.

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Apparently the Right Honorable has certainly captured your attention. I'm thinkin', seemingly much more than Trump has, or will ever capture his. Interesting.

Since The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau is Canadian, and he has Trump FEAR(s)...he must be leading the way. After all, for Trudeau, the United States is "definitional".

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Since The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau is Canadian, and he has Trump FEAR(s)...he must be leading the way. After all, for Trudeau, the United States is "definitional".

Trudeau already has the reigns of a country in his hands. I doubt he has a lot of time, or fear, for the buffoonery from someone south of the border who will never likely have such power.

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Trudeau already has the reigns of a country in his hands. I doubt he has a lot of time, or fear, for the buffoonery from someone south of the border who will never likely have such power.

Which makes The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau's comments all the more interesting...must be FEAR.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Any "fascination" I may have is dwarfed by the Canadian fascination in Trump, including direct and indirect comments by The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.

Which is dwarfed by your obsession with Canada/Canadians (example this thread).

Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser

ohm on soundcloud.com

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So Trump said women should face a punishment for seeking an abortion if they become illegal, then backtracked, yet claims his position didn't change. Just another statement indicating he is a clown not fit for office. No doubt, it will help his numbers with Republicans, but thankfully talk like this has basically ensured the next president will be a democrat. The only hope the GOP had was that someone like Bloomberg entered as an independent and Ralph Nadered the Democrat vote; however, he's not going to run.

Donald Trump, as he is wont to do, just trampled through this carefully constructed conservative political dance with all the grace of a rhinoceros at a tea party. Thanks to his assertion, after prodding, that women should face "some form of punishment" for having an illegal abortion, the conservative pro-life movement is going to be forced to defend their beliefs on uncomfortable ground. Republican candidates will be asked, again and again, to defend or denounce Mr Trump's comments.

This is exactly the kind of scenario that terrifies Republican politicians about Mr Trump as their party's nominee. His ill-considered remarks and shoot-from-the-hip approach to media interviews could be a political minefield for their candidates in the autumn.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

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So Trump said women should face a punishment for seeking an abortion if they become illegal, then backtracked, yet claims his position didn't change. Just another statement indicating he is a clown not fit for office. No doubt, it will help his numbers with Republicans, but thankfully talk like this has basically ensured the next president will be a democrat. The only hope the GOP had was that someone like Bloomberg entered as an independent and Ralph Nadered the Democrat vote; however, he's not going to run.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

What a disgusting sideshow.

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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This ad shows women reading misogynistic statements made by Trump. His attitudes and positions have him polling well behind Hillary even among Republican women. That's seriously bad news for the GOP, but great news for Americans and the world.

Let's hope it continues to the convention.

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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This ad shows women reading misogynistic statements made by Trump. His attitudes and positions have him polling well behind Hillary even among Republican women. That's seriously bad news for the GOP, but great news for Americans and the world.

That ad is produced by "Our Principles PAC", a superpac run by a veteran Republican strategist who was one of the top advisors on the Mitt Romney 2012 campaign.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/top-former-romney-aide-launches-anti-trump-super-pac-218071

Clearly the Republican establishment are not happy about the prospect of him winning the nomination... but they may be too late to stop him.

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Is this a new record for Fastest Flip-Flop in the history of US politics?

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