Canadians FEAR Trump...Big Time

[cybercoma]

Trump isn't going to be supported by Republicans because he has no political experience and says stupid things. Those are the obvious reasons. However, he's also not going to be supported by the Republicans because he has taken positions against the radical regressive rightwing already. He took a pro-choice position at a rally, going against the social conservatives in the Republican base. He's talking about ripping up NAFTA and TIPP, going against the big business interests amongst the Republicans. Trump is a populist and a nationalist. The Republicans don't want to support him because he's not a Republican. He doesn't care what Republicans think or what their party's positions are. As a megalomaniac, he's going to go his own way, party be damned, and they can join him if they want or piss off.

Trump's going to be the best president in a generation.

[Hal 9000]

Yeah, cyber is pretty close. I see these liberals (and pundits) who believe that Ryan and such don't support him because of his radical views, they couldn't be more wrong. They laugh because the Kochs don't want to support Trump. Trump is a republican, although not as conservative as some would like him to be - he is still a republican. Trump, like many people is fiscal conservative and socially liberal (at least more than most republicans).

Big business might be turning to Hillary, not because she's less radical than Trump, but because, as we all know she has become a shill for wall street. The old school republicans and democrats are on the same side and they know that Trump is the only one who'll hold business accountable to the country and to the people. If big business and people like the Koch brothers support Hillary, then a Hillary win will be a disaster for the working people. The high level politicians know that Trump will reduce the federal government, and this scares all of them - so much that many are willing to sabotage an entire election.

The fact that many business people are turning democrat and some in the republican party will sabotage Trump should be very worrying to democrats.

[BC_chick]

Trump is a republican, although not as conservative as some would like him to be - he is still a republican.

He's been a registered Democrat as well as Republican. I think he's more independent than Republican.

[Argus]

He's been a registered Democrat as well as Republican. I think he's more independent than Republican.

He's got no class and he's got no ideas. That's what matters.

[bush_cheney2004]

He's got no class and he's got no ideas. That's what matters.

But he's got plenty of votes, and that matters more.

[Hal 9000]

Ever notice that people keep talking about how dangerous it would be to ban Muslims, but no one ever says it would be dangerous to deport Mexicans?

[jacee]

Ever notice that people keep talking about how dangerous it would be to ban Muslims, but no one ever says it would be dangerous to deport Mexicans?

Ever notice how asininely stupid it would be to attempt either?

Ever notice how asininely stupid and dangerously hyper-reactive Trump is?

Ever know that he cut his brother's children out of his demented father's will and promised to pay his disabled grand-nephew's medical bills?

Then he cancelled that medical funding when his nephew contested the will ... because he was "angry".

Isn't that just like his current behaviour?

Angry, over reactive, stupid, nasty ... and just plain wrong.

David Cameron got it right the first time, and the second time:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-cameron-sadiq-khan-donald-trump-muslim-ban_uk_5732070ce4b0ade291a28b24

Now Trump is having to backtrack and say 'exceptions' to the Muslim ban for the Mayor of London and sporting events.

Does he never think of the implications of his words before he speaks?

How.stupid.is.he?!?

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Edited May 13, 2016 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

Ever notice that people keep talking about how dangerous it would be to ban Muslims, but no one ever says it would be dangerous to deport Mexicans?

That's because the USA deports millions of folks (Mexicans, Canadians, Russians, Columbians, Chinese, etc.)...doesn't really matter if they be Muslims or not. Many are deported right from the border, others are caught in the "interior" on visa overstays or other transgressions.

Trump can finish the wall and cut out a lot of paperwork for everybody.

[Hal 9000]

Only a complete nitwit would believe that Donald Trump would, or would even attempt to ban all muslims and deport all 11 million illegals hispanics. It would take asking yourself about 3-5 honest questions to know that he wouldn't even try such things. All the hysterical liberals have no idea of what game is being played.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Hal 9000

[waldo]

Only a complete nitwit would believe that Donald Trump would, or would even attempt to ban all muslims and deport all 11 million illegals hispanics. It would take asking yourself about 3-5 honest questions to know that he wouldn't even try such things. All the hysterical liberals have no idea of what game is being played.

please elaborate on, as you say, the "game" Trump is playing on his fevered support base... you know, those who believe Trump will, "build the wall... and make Mexico pay for it"... those who believe Trump intends to deport those 11 million illegal immigrants... those who believe Trump will ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.. What, as you say, "3-5 honest questions" are Trump supporters not asking themselves?

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[jacee]

Only a complete nitwit would believe that Donald Trump would, or would even attempt to ban all muslims and deport all 11 million illegals hispanics. It would take asking yourself about 3-5 honest questions to know that he wouldn't even try such things.

Yes please clarify that for Trump supporters.

All the hysterical liberals have no idea of what game is being played.

You mean Trumps 'dog whistle' politics where he says racist things to rally all his racist supporters ... who are too dense to know he's just manipulating them ... his little nitwit attack dogs?

We need a wall. ?

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Edited May 13, 2016 by jacee

[cybercoma]

Only a complete nitwit would believe that Donald Trump would, or would even attempt to ban all muslims and deport all 11 million illegals hispanics. It would take asking yourself about 3-5 honest questions to know that he wouldn't even try such things. All the hysterical liberals have no idea of what game is being played.

Yeah. Why would we take him at his word? We should just assume he's a lying POS. I agree.

[Hal 9000]

please elaborate on, as you say, the "game" Trump is playing on his fevered support base... you know, those who believe Trump will, "build the wall... and make Mexico pay for it"... those who believe Trump intends to deport those 11 million illegal immigrants... those who believe Trump will ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.. What, as you say, "3-5 honest questions" are Trump supporters not asking themselves?

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Actually, the wall will happen.

[waldo]

Actually, the wall will happen.

that's definitive! And Mexico will pay for it - yes?

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[Hal 9000]

The wall is very doable. Why don't people criticize Bernie for some of his crazy pie in the sky ideas that are way less likely.

[Hal 9000]

Ok, for Jacee, cyber and Waldo, I'll explain just a little - and I'll dumb it down somewhat too.

So, Trump says "Ban all muslims", "deport all the illegals" etc. Now, what if he said "hey, lets sort out this terrorism thing" and "lets finally deal with illegal immigration", what would happen? Nothing, he would be cast into the same category of every politician Repub or Democrat from the last 24 years. So, he goes over the to - shakes everyone a little.

What he wants from illegals, and he has made implications about it in this election year, is to remove all the ones with criminal records and career welfare cases, legalize many of the ones already working in america, and have them pay into the system. Many people are against this because it means their labour costs will go up. And, of course stem the flow and get everyone who goes to US to be legal - that doesn't sound so radical.

Banning all muslims? This can never work and he knows full well it can't. He knows that the DOJ or State department (whatever) has pretty good info on terror cells yet refuses to use it - he'll root out those people. He'll also properly assess those that come into the country. As we've seen in europe, an open border to every wayward muslim is not good for the safety of the general population - despite what liberals tell us. There will be no "banning of all muslims" in the US.

Now, how do I know this? I pay attention to the details!

Trump has said a number of times that he is flexible, a negotiator, he has referred to his book "Art of the deal" many times - what that is telling us, is that his positions that we see as radical - are simply starting points for negotiation.

Why doesn't he just tell us what he really wants, you say? Well, have you ever seen the teacher's union go into a negotiation saying "hey, just give us a modest cost of living increase"? No! What they do is say "we want a 40% increase and we're striking until we get it". Trump is simply using similar tactics. It's not flip flopping or back peddling - it's a negotiation tactic.

Bernie is playing the same game - That's why he is also doing better than expected "I will give you everything for free"...sure Bernie! With all the business leaving the country already and people needing work, he is gonna tax employers even more! No chance! At best, he could put in some tax breaks for college, tax a little more on gas, alcohol and smokes to bring down medical expenses etc.. People are buying into it though.

Hillary (and pretty much all the repubs) is giving the old standard "I will work across the isle and fight to give you what you need the most" - she does this the give herself the "out". This crap doesn't work anymore - people are on to it.

Trump and Sanders know the "game" and are playing it to a "T"

As for the wall, that actually is right up Trump's ally, it would be a great job creator.

[waldo]

Ok, for Jacee, cyber and Waldo, I'll explain just a little - and I'll dumb it down somewhat too.

Trump has said a number of times that he is flexible, a negotiator, he has referred to his book "Art of the deal" many times - what that is telling us, is that his positions that we see as radical - are simply starting points for negotiation.

I/we are certainly capable at our own levels... no need to, as you say, dumb it down to yours.

I never thought about your negotiation related point! Trump does regularly pump-up his supposed negotiation prowess... I'm sure he's claimed to be "the world's best/greatest"... I'm sure of it! Uhhh, wait now! When Trump was whining weeks on end about the 'Republican primary system being rigged', overall result and at state levels, wouldn't the master negotiator know the actual rules? But hey now, when Trump now states that, as he absolutely has in recent days, everything he's said on the campaign trail has simply been a suggestion, would a master negotiator tell his supposed opponents, that he's just been making shyte up, that they shouldn't take him at his word... that's he just suggesting stuff!

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[Hal 9000]

I/we are certainly capable at our own levels... no need to, as you say, dumb it down to yours.

I never thought about your negotiation related point! Trump does regularly pump-up his supposed negotiation prowess... I'm sure he's claimed to be "the world's best/greatest"... I'm sure of it! Uhhh, wait now! When Trump was whining weeks on end about the 'Republican primary system being rigged', overall result and at state levels, wouldn't the master negotiator know the actual rules? But hey now, when Trump now states that, as he absolutely has in recent days, everything he's said on the campaign trail has simply been a suggestion, would a master negotiator tell his supposed opponents, that he's just been making shyte up, that they shouldn't take him at his word... that's he just suggesting stuff!

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I almost thought you were getting it, until the emoticon. So, who are his supposed opponents?

[waldo]

I almost thought you were getting it, until the emoticon. So, who are his supposed opponents?

oh my! That is the question... isn't it. That is the reason I purposely used the word "supposed". You're the one that hyped Trump's... supposed... negotiation rationale for all the dumb-ass shyte he's said - that he was establishing the extreme "going in starting point" for negotiation! You own that baby... when Trump continues to insist "the wall" will be paid for by Mexico... and he actually gets rebuked by Mexican officials... just who is he negotiating with... Mexico? When he calls Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists was he just setting up an extreme negotiation point? When he states the Mexican government purposely sends Mexican criminals across the border... was he just softening them up? You spoke of his master thesis, "The Art of the Deal"... where does he relate the foundation for his campaign vitriol in that book?

"Starting points for negotiation"!!! Oh my.

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[Hal 9000]

If you don't get it, you don't get it! It's a pretty simple really, as long as you look at what he's doing from a business perspective rather than a political perspective.

As far as opponents, he's crushed all his opponents. He (at this time) doesn't have an opponent. He's waiting for Hillary, and in the meantime taking some shots at her, but really he's secured a great number of supporters and his next move is to soften up and secure more support (mainly from the GOP) before attacking Hillary.

He and Bernie have been using the same strategy "It's a movement" "a revolution", "the establishment is corrupt and against me". Trumps next move - and it's not a stretch because it's already begun, is to side with Bernie's plights and say some of the same things as Bernie and convince Bernie people that they should side with him.

But, as I said, you won't get it - and fair enough.

OT - I hope the mods are noticing that i'm trying to generate conversation and taking the high road while being constantly trolled.

[cybercoma]

Ok, for Jacee, cyber and Waldo, I'll explain just a little - and I'll dumb it down somewhat too.

I hope the mods are noticing that i'm trying to generate conversation and taking the high road...

Riiiight.

[waldo]

Trumps next move - and it's not a stretch because it's already begun, is to side with Bernie's plights and say some of the same things as Bernie and convince Bernie people that they should side with him.

OT - I hope the mods are noticing that i'm trying to generate conversation and taking the high road while being constantly trolled.

is that the Sanders who totally dismisses Trump; who frequently trashes him, big-time... who has regularly stated that voting for Clinton is preferred over a "Trump presidency"? Is that the Sanders who Trump refers to as "Crazy Bernie"... as "Socialist Bernie"? "Convince Bernie people"... really? What will eventually happen, given the numbers of course, is Sanders will coalesce his movement/supporters towards Clinton. The single consensus label attached to Sanders, even by his detractors/opponents, is that he is principled. Do you seriously see the principled Sanders aligning in any way with Trump... sending his support base Trump's way?

now, if you're simply going to, as you say, troll in response, don't bother! The waldo is seeking to take the high road here and generate conversation.

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[Hal 9000]

is that the Sanders who totally dismisses Trump; who frequently trashes him, big-time... who has regularly stated that voting for Clinton is preferred over a "Trump presidency"? Is that the Sanders who Trump refers to as "Crazy Bernie"... as "Socialist Bernie"? "Convince Bernie people"... really? What will eventually happen, given the numbers of course, is Sanders will coalesce his movement/supporters towards Clinton. The single consensus label attached to Sanders, even by his detractors/opponents, is that he is principled. Do you seriously see the principled Sanders aligning in any way with Trump... sending his support base Trump's way?

now, if you're simply going to, as you say, troll in response, don't bother! The waldo is seeking to take the high road here and generate conversation.

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This is hard for you eh?

I didn't say that Trump and Sanders would align, did I? What I said is that Trump would side with Bernie's plight and use some of what Bernie is saying in order to bring some Bernie people over to his side.

[WestCoastRunner]

Ok, for Jacee, cyber and Waldo, I'll explain just a little - and I'll dumb it down somewhat too.

So, Trump says "Ban all muslims", "deport all the illegals" etc. Now, what if he said "hey, lets sort out this terrorism thing" and "lets finally deal with illegal immigration", what would happen? Nothing, he would be cast into the same category of every politician Repub or Democrat from the last 24 years. So, he goes over the to - shakes everyone a little.

What he wants from illegals, and he has made implications about it in this election year, is to remove all the ones with criminal records and career welfare cases, legalize many of the ones already working in america, and have them pay into the system. Many people are against this because it means their labour costs will go up. And, of course stem the flow and get everyone who goes to US to be legal - that doesn't sound so radical.

Banning all muslims? This can never work and he knows full well it can't. He knows that the DOJ or State department (whatever) has pretty good info on terror cells yet refuses to use it - he'll root out those people. He'll also properly assess those that come into the country. As we've seen in europe, an open border to every wayward muslim is not good for the safety of the general population - despite what liberals tell us. There will be no "banning of all muslims" in the US.

Now, how do I know this? I pay attention to the details!

Trump has said a number of times that he is flexible, a negotiator, he has referred to his book "Art of the deal" many times - what that is telling us, is that his positions that we see as radical - are simply starting points for negotiation.

Why doesn't he just tell us what he really wants, you say? Well, have you ever seen the teacher's union go into a negotiation saying "hey, just give us a modest cost of living increase"? No! What they do is say "we want a 40% increase and we're striking until we get it". Trump is simply using similar tactics. It's not flip flopping or back peddling - it's a negotiation tactic.

Bernie is playing the same game - That's why he is also doing better than expected "I will give you everything for free"...sure Bernie! With all the business leaving the country already and people needing work, he is gonna tax employers even more! No chance! At best, he could put in some tax breaks for college, tax a little more on gas, alcohol and smokes to bring down medical expenses etc.. People are buying into it though.

Hillary (and pretty much all the repubs) is giving the old standard "I will work across the isle and fight to give you what you need the most" - she does this the give herself the "out". This crap doesn't work anymore - people are on to it.

Trump and Sanders know the "game" and are playing it to a "T"

As for the wall, that actually is right up Trump's ally, it would be a great job creator.

Dumb it down for Waldo and CC and Jaycee ? Good god. Edited May 17, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[Hal 9000]

Dumb it down for Waldo and CC and Jaycee ? Good god.

I hear ya! It was harder that I thought, and it looks like I have to go even further for Waldo.

Anyway, Good to see you back!