CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Whose wealth do you want to distribute? I'm guessing not yours. Yes mine too as I am advocating raising the personal income tax exemption by almost $10,000 (to help out everyone in particular those earning less than 20K should not pay also for taxes) and raising the tax rate from 26% to likely 30% or more for higher incomers (this includes me too) and the next rate from 29% to likely 35% or more for over $138K taxable income (this does not include me). Also raising GST back to 7% and that affects me and everyone but especially the rich (the conservatives reduced it mainly to help the rich, their core support who buy big items like big or luxury cars and furniture and electronics. Same for for provincial taxes. Also likely more than doubling social assistance for the poor and and low income seniors and veterans. Investment in Health care and infrastructure and building significantly more social housing for the low incomers. I prefer to see the less privileged like the hungry or homeless poor and the low income elderly and the children who live below poverty to have better lives than see the rich parading their big cars and living in big expensive houses with very large screen TVs travelling many times around the world staying in luxury hotels or expensive resorts while hungry children go to schools empty stomach and low income seniors shiver in cold or die because of lack of medicine as they can't afford the bills. Time to write to my MPs I helped in a very small way to elect!!! Edited November 19, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015
Black Dog Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Women on TTC harassed with anti-Muslim slurs But I'm sure the culprits would have insulted any random strangers for any reason.
drummindiver Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Cite please ? You're stating something very specific there. http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Al Jazeera reported 49.5% of Arab Muslims supported Osama bin Laden.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I believe we should up the punishment for hate crimes in Canada in order to avoid the situation that now exists in Europe. Mandatory minimum sentences of many years for cases involving violence against women, racial and religious minorities, homosexuals and defenseless and heavy enforcement would help in my view and while we are at it bring back the capital punishment for violent crimes against women and children. I know while the former is possible if heavily lobbied but the latter will never happen under this Liberal government. Btw, the mastermind of Paris attacks was sent to hell today by French Police. I know it is just a symbolic win but makes me feel good!!!. Edited November 19, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Christian civilization has a 1,000 year head start ion Islam. 1,000, hell, 500, years ago, you could have said the same thing about Christianity. And yet here we are. So what? What are you saying, we should be patient? We should wait five centuries or so? Not happening, bud. Not unless you agree they should all be cordoned off from today's world until they reform. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Right I'm sure it's a coincidence this took place right after Paris and the racial slurs were purely incidental. Good lord, you are thick. So you're saying no muslims were mugged prior to Paris? It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) And as a society we consider motivation when looking at these things. If they called her a nigger or spic while attacking her? Yes, yes it would have. I don't understand your desperate need to downplay this. He's countering your desperate need to exaggerate its importance. Edited November 19, 2015 by Scotty It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 That goes back to what we are collectively doing in the M.E, taking out some tyrannical governments, while supporting other tyrannical governments. The military campaign against terrorism over the past 15-20 years has not accomplished anything. Drone strikes on many nations to get suspected (not even confirmed) terrorists is causing widespread damage making these nations not habitable. Cities bombed, infrastructure destroyed. So where are they going? And WHY are they going? As far as I've seen drone strikes are usually in the desert somewhere, and have limited colateral damage. The only places we're bombing is the heart of ISIL, which is already in the middle of a war zone. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 "Impartial journalists"/ Like who? From what I've read anyone who says bad things about the West. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Yes mine too as I am advocating raising the personal income tax exemption by almost $10,000 (to help out everyone in particular those earning less than 20K should not pay also for taxes) and raising the tax rate from 26% to likely 30% or more for higher incomers (this includes me too) and the next rate from 29% to likely 35% or more for over $138K taxable income (this does not include me). Also raising GST back to 7% and that affects me and everyone but especially the rich (the conservatives reduced it mainly to help the rich, their core support who buy big items like big or luxury cars and furniture and electronics. Same for for provincial taxes. Also likely more than doubling social assistance for the poor and and low income seniors and veterans. So you're basically saying you want Communism here, where doing extra work, taking a chance on opening a new business, getting an education, doesn't matter at all because your money will just be taken away to give to those who couldn't bother. No thank yewww, comrade! Seen how that works out! It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Women on TTC harassed with anti-Muslim slurs But I'm sure the culprits would have insulted any random strangers for any reason. They might well have. Don't you think visible Jews get harrassed? What about fat people? It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 I believe we should up the punishment for hate crimes in Canada in order to avoid the situation that now exists in Europe. Do you know anything about 'the situation that now exists in Europe"? Have you ever been there? It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 As far as I've seen drone strikes are usually in the desert somewhere, and have limited colateral damage. The only places we're bombing is the heart of ISIL, which is already in the middle of a war zone. If that's as far as you've seen, then you need to look at reports of how any innocent civilians have be taken out by drones.
Black Dog Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 If that's as far as you've seen, then you need to look at reports of how any innocent civilians have be taken out by drones. That guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 So you're basically saying you want Communism here, where doing extra work, taking a chance on opening a new business, getting an education, doesn't matter at all because your money will just be taken away to give to those who couldn't bother. No thank yewww, comrade! Seen how that works out! No I am anti-communist as I see it an extreme similar to fascism in fact i see both same points on a circle. I am saying a FAIRER distribution of wealth as I said in my original post that you quoted (so please read the posts that you quote before responding).
On Guard for Thee Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 That guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I wonder if he has ever been in Europe. He's apparently never been in Afghanistan or he might have better insights into what drones have done.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Do you know anything about 'the situation that now exists in Europe"? Have you ever been there? Yes sir that was where I was for more than a decade before coming to Canada. Where the Mational Front and British National Party supporters were/are attacking colored skin people. Where German Nazi sympatizers were/are attacking non-white even white immigrants from Eastern Europe. Where there are friction and clashes between North African Immigrants (many even born in France) and French white citizens where the extreme right has as much as 20% support racists and all above extends to recent democracies like Czech Republic, Hungry and Serbia too. We don't want this garbage in Canada. Edited November 19, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015
poochy Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 The op makes only the opening post and then sits back and lets the, 'omg how could someone be a bigot in Canada' liberals start the navel gazing, while of course ignoring the far more significant acts that people of that faith have committed against this country, which is nothing compared to elsewhere. The op is laughing at you, wake up, this is textbook.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 The op makes only the opening post and then sits back and lets the, 'omg how could someone be a bigot in Canada' liberals start the navel gazing, while of course ignoring the far more significant acts that people of that faith have committed against this country, which is nothing compared to elsewhere. The op is laughing at you, wake up, this is textbook. I doubt the op opened this thread to get laughs. However you may have just provided some.
Michael Hardner Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Al Jazeera reported 49.5% of Arab Muslims supported Osama bin Laden. First link doesn't have any stat that talks about 'identifying as radical'. It has this though: "Among Muslims who see a struggle between modernizers and Islamic fundamentalists, majorities in Lebanon (84%), Turkey (74%), Pakistan (61%) and Indonesia (54%) side with those who want to modernize their countries; a plurality of Jordanian Muslims who say there is a struggle in their country also side with the modernizers (48%). In Egypt and Nigeria, however, most Muslims who see a struggle in their countries say they identify with Islamic fundamentalists (59% and 58%, respectively)." Second link doesn't have that stat, although it does show that 35% of French Muslims believe that suicide bombing is sometimes justified. Third link is about support for Sharia in Canada. Fourth link is the same as the first link. (?) Look, these are all different things. Be specific. The stat you posted was specific but when I questioned you about it you brought out 4 (really 3) links. Which one shows what you were saying ? Your approach is sloppy and makes me want to move on. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Posted November 19, 2015 Canada has over 1 million Muslims living here. If there was any danger to Canada because of their faith, we would have experienced it by now. I don't think anyone would disagree that there are groups and people who have a warped interpretation of Islam. Where they are willing to engage in disgusting, barbaric acts like ISIL continues to display. What the disagreement is that you cannot label all Muslims to be the same. Just because one considers themselves Muslim, it does not mean that they engage in and agree with the most vile acts, by the most vile self declared Muslim groups. It's just idiotic to continue to paint all Muslims the same. It makes absolutely no sense to do that. Copying and pasting quotes from the Quran to somehow show evidence of what Muslims are like is also idiotic. MANY of the words in the Quran are copied from the old and new testament. The old and new testament have just as many stupid texts in them. They are all man-written. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Posted November 19, 2015 As far as I've seen drone strikes are usually in the desert somewhere, and have limited colateral damage. The only places we're bombing is the heart of ISIL, which is already in the middle of a war zone. War zone = Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen Where do most of these terrorists come from? Yeah. Way to try to explain and push the big elephant, called drones, out of the conversation. To put it into perspective; There have been more Muslim civilian casualties by drones than Western civilian casualties by terrorist attacks. Their results are the same: They kill, injure and terrorize people. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Posted November 19, 2015 Canada has over 1 million Muslims living here. If there was any danger to Canada because of their faith, we would have experienced it by now. I don't think anyone would disagree that there are groups and people who have a warped interpretation of Islam. Where they are willing to engage in disgusting, barbaric acts like ISIL continues to display. What the disagreement is that you cannot label all Muslims to be the same. Just because one considers themselves Muslim, it does not mean that they engage in and agree with the most vile acts, by the most vile self declared Muslim groups. It's just idiotic to continue to paint all Muslims the same. It makes absolutely no sense to do that. Copying and pasting quotes from the Quran to somehow show evidence of what Muslims are like is also idiotic. MANY of the words in the Quran are copied from the old and new testament. The old and new testament have just as many stupid texts in them. They are all man-written. Well stated comments. You are a stand up gentleman. Bravo!!.
Hal 9000 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 Canada has over 1 million Muslims living here. If there was any danger to Canada because of their faith, we would have experienced it by now. I don't think anyone would disagree that there are groups and people who have a warped interpretation of Islam. Where they are willing to engage in disgusting, barbaric acts like ISIL continues to display. What the disagreement is that you cannot label all Muslims to be the same. Just because one considers themselves Muslim, it does not mean that they engage in and agree with the most vile acts, by the most vile self declared Muslim groups. It's just idiotic to continue to paint all Muslims the same. It makes absolutely no sense to do that. Copying and pasting quotes from the Quran to somehow show evidence of what Muslims are like is also idiotic. MANY of the words in the Quran are copied from the old and new testament. The old and new testament have just as many stupid texts in them. They are all man-written. No, because as i said in another thread, Muslims are at a 3% population rate. Historically, groups do not cause trouble until that number hits 4%. At 4% a group will start to push their agenda (such as the UK 5% and Denmark, Norway) , at about 6% they start to demonstrate and possibly riot (Sweden 5.2%, Belgium 6%, France 7.5%), any group that feels marginalized will start to full on revolt at about 10% - The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 Here's a question for the lefties; When news broke about a terrorist attack in Paris, where did your mind go, who did you suspect was involved? Christians, Jews, Buddists, Russians, Americans, computer geeks, red heads...who? It wasn't who or what that popped into my mind, it was why. Pretty much the same thing that popped into my mind the moment the news broke on 9/11. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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