WestCanMan Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 I win. /thread If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCoastRunner Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 I win. /thread What the heck did you win and why? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Your comment is absurd. You think the treatment of gays in the Muslim world is about them not getting married?Rue, the reason I so rarely respond to you is that you ether completely misunderstand what I've posted or you're so intellectually dishonest that you think you have a valid point in making up a bunch of crap that isn't even remotely close to my argument. Either way, it's a complete waste of time slogging through your dissertations as a consequence.
Shady Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 "I hate Canada! Maybe we can move there." smh. Do you even think about the things you write? As has already been stated, a family's security would come first. Regardless, you speak as though the Kahdr family doesn't exist.
Hal 9000 Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 This is still happening in Canadian high schools, and on our streets by adults. I understand you think that 'bringing more' of 'those' people in isn't going to help, but I can't see how it'll make things worse either. Most people in any large group tend to follow the laws or rules that are in effect, and this applies to refugees as well. If we could read the minds of all Canadians, I think we'd be surprised how many think gays and LGBT people 'got what they deserved' if they were beaten. Relatively few people follow through on those thoughts, because overall people follow the laws. I've never been in a refugee center, but common sense tells me that people are going to be feeling fearful, stressed, desperate and maybe even angry. Not to excuse violent behavior, but under those kinds of conditions people of any culture/religion tend to behave more violently than they would if they felt secure. No doubt, the refugees who come to Canada will be more conservative, by and large, than Canadians overall. But they're not likely to be any more conservative than our most conservative Christians or Jews, or more extreme white supremacists. We already have all kinds of people in Canada, another 25 or 35 thousand people isn't going to radically affect our society or lead to a rise in criminal behavior or make women/gay/lgbt people overall less safe. Wrong and wrong! Most people in large groups take a mob mentality and try to change things - you see it everywhere and you see it everyday. What do you think a demonstration is? And, If you could read the minds of people, you'd be the one surprised at just how many Canadians are either pro-gay or simply indifferent. I know a lot of religious people and there almost all to a person either supportive or indifferent - even if they don't agree with their lifestyle. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Something about warts and pride. This is about as close as you get to acknowledgment of any western responsibility for the state of affairs in the ME and surrounding region. And now cue the perspective of arm chair historians who flit about history seeking justifications for our behaviour like crack addicted hummingbirds looking for their next fix. You got what you wanted, someone to say we are no better than they are...Big deal......Yes the west is responsible for their share of the middle eastern affairs..as is the Muslim states, and their people.....so now what Eyeball, the wind is out of your sails, time to go home........and how you got into this debate is beyond me, your fix for the problem was to do nothing, let them fix it...stay out of the region..... No where in my post did I ever seek justifications for what has been done....I did however say we have done a lot for the region, not just militarily..... As for your remarks about being an arm chair historian.....that's rich even for you, atleast I have been part of history, took an active role in it....while you sat at home whining and complaining and telling others I told you so, been telling you that for years..... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
kimmy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Through all of this charade of yours we're still talking about the difference of (notwithstanding you mixing complaint numbers with victim numbers)... hundreds... of cases of reported criminality set against the backdrop of a million+ "asylum seekers". . "Hundreds of cases against a backdrop of a million asylum seekers!" As I mentioned before, I found your attempt to "provide perspective" to be much like Shady's playful attempts to "provide perspective" about global warming by pointing out the weather outside his window on a particular day. It fails because it only includes data from one incident, much like Shady's snow-storm. It doesn't consider crimes not committed at that train station. It doesn't consider crimes not committed elsewhere in Germany. It doesn't consider crimes committed on the other 365 days of the year. But, information about criminality among migrants in Germany is pretty scarce. I did manage to find some, and it contains both good news and bad news for Team Islam. The good news: The behavior of the groups has been starkly different. The Syrian refugees intentionally welcomed by Merkel have so far proven overwhelmingly law abiding. According to a Jan. 8 police report from North Rhine-Westphalia, the western German state that includes Cologne, only 0.5 percent of Syrian migrants in the city were caught committing crimes within a year. That sounds pretty good! The Syrians sound pretty swell. The bad news: By contrast, among migrants from North Africa, as many as 40 percent were caught committing crimes within a year, the report says. Oops. One of the most troubling things is that there seems to be a concerted effort to avoid talking about it: In the wake of the Cologne assaults, Germans have been forced to confront questions that some politicians say were deliberately buried last year while migrants poured in. The reluctance to confront the issue has itself become part of the debate. Public broadcaster ZDF apologized for initially failing to report the New Year's Eve assaults. There was widespread criticism of the Cologne police for saying on Jan. 1 that the New Year's Eve celebration had been peaceful. Gregor Golland, an NRW state lawmaker from Merkel's CDU, said the state government, led by the Greens and SPD, "more or less laughed" at his party's attempts to get the problem of north African criminals on the agenda in 2014 and 2015. "They acted as if it did not exist," he said. ...it seems like this is not a new issue, but rather one that has only come to a head recently because the New Year's Eve sex assault mob was an incident just too big to hide, though they certainly tried to pretend otherwise at first. Former German interior minister Hans-Peter Friedrich, of Merkel's CDU, said whitewashing by the media and politicians keeping quiet about problems related to the refugee crisis had "led to an illusion about an idyllic world that never existed". "Now Germany is getting closer to reality," he added. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 What is it that we will be regretting? Allowing 50,000 refugees in 2016? And what did we do that we once again regretted? I bet you a years wage there will never be 50,000, nor 40, 30, even 20....thousand..... our cultures are to different to co exist , without both sides sitting down and trying to understand each other....first....and foremost....instead our nation leapt out of the gates without even a plan, sorry we had a plan....to except 25,000 people before year end......election promise........it had to be kept......no matter what .....so we as a nation bashed ahead......all the experts were saying it can't be done in that time frame....we do not have the housing, infra structure to support any of this......our answer to the problem was get them here jam them into hotels closets, any where just get them over here so we don't look like idiots..... they're version of the American dream has been shattered , it does not rain dollars here, it snows instead....there is no free ticket as they heard in the rumour mill.....nope....and now they are getting pissed.....we are getting pissed because they seem ungrateful, they lash out at us we lash out at them.....there will be no stopping until both sides sit down and talk.... For a lot of western nations talk is down, now they are shipping them back.....Germany the savior for all refugees is now said they are filled to capacity...and will send any more back.....western patients are wearing thin....so are the Syrians....it is only going to get worse..... Has our government sat down and come up with a plan, have they sat down with Syrians refugees and asked them what can we do to make this go better..........to get a grip on this problem.....you know it is bad when the private sector has a grip on it.....and the government leading the charge still does not want to help the private sector..... what are we going to regret the whole experience..... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
waldo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 "Hundreds of cases against a backdrop of a million asylum seekers!"... It doesn't consider crimes not committed at that train station. It doesn't consider crimes not committed elsewhere in Germany. It doesn't consider crimes committed on the other 365 days of the year. But, information about criminality among migrants in Germany is pretty scarce. I did manage to find some, and it contains both good news and bad news for Team Islam. "Team Islam"? Really? Which team do you play for... what's its name? since the focus of discussion was primarily around that New Years incident in the German city of Cologne... that was the reference in terms of the type of criminality and the related numbers (you know, those complaint versus victim numbers that you so failed at in not properly distinguishing between them). What's this - you want to extend that to the country at large to allow you to... to what? Narrow the gap between that focused incident's relatively "low" criminality number (in the "hundreds") versus the, for example, single years (2015) registered 'asylum seekers' count of 1.1 million? Do you have a "narrowed gap" number? as you've done repeatedly before within this thread, since you apparently feel you're above including the actual cited references to your provided quotes, I will completely ignore them... although your bold highlighting within a couple of the quotes caught my eye. I see you've ramped up your broadbrush to now draw attention to "committing crimes" without bothering to speak to the severity levels of your broadbrush. and in case you're not aware, your new board position status has apparently compromised the normal post notification feature such that MLW members will no longer receive automatic notification if you quote them... just a heads up in case I miss one of your posts and you're waiting with baited breath for a reply. (already discussed with modMichael; it was his interpretation of the change I'm providing here). .
kimmy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 "Team Islam"? Really? Which team do you play for... what's its name? since the focus of discussion was primarily around that New Years incident in the German city of Cologne... that was the reference in terms of the type of criminality and the related numbers (you know, those complaint versus victim numbers that you so failed at in not properly distinguishing between them). What's this - you want to extend that to the country at large to allow you to... to what? Narrow the gap between that focused incident's relatively "low" criminality number (in the "hundreds") versus the, for example, single years (2015) registered 'asylum seekers' count of 1.1 million? Do you have a "narrowed gap" number? as you've done repeatedly before within this thread, since you apparently feel you're above including the actual cited references to your provided quotes, I will completely ignore them... although your bold highlighting within a couple of the quotes caught my eye. I see you've ramped up your broadbrush to now draw attention to "committing crimes" without bothering to speak to the severity levels of your broadbrush. . Apologies for not including the link to the article in my previous message. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-challenges-in-idUSKCN0V6173 It's a Reuters article, citing a Jan. 8 North Rhineland-Westphalia police report for the crime figures. What "Team" am I on? Clearly you and others here have decided I am on "Team Islamophobia" as indicated by that label being continuously applied to me and to anybody else who dares suggest that there could possibly be any reason for caution. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
waldo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Apologies for not including the link to the article in my previous message. thanks for providing the link... only pressed the point given prior exchanges concerning the absence of (your) prior links. So your linked reference shows the low percentage of crime associated with Syrian refugees (re: your summary comment, "That sounds pretty good! The Syrians sound pretty swell"). Your linked reference speaks to a very high percentage of crime associated with "migrants from North Africa"... your linked reference also includes the follow-up sentence you didn't include in your quote from that reference: "Virtually none of the North Africans arriving in Germany have proven to be genuine refugees" your linked reference also highlights a problem with 'young single males'... but also provides the most telling comment that "Many {of the referenced North Africans} arrive not as families, but as single young men who are not legally permitted to work." so..... "can't (legally) work <> lack of integration". Problem - yes? From your (now) referenced link... sort of providing a bit of... missing perspective relative to that work/integration fail: "What we experienced at New Year was not only a police problem - it is (a result of) a lack of integration of about 300,000-500,000 young men who have arrived without families in Germany and are sitting around without much to do and who come from a male-dominated culture," said Christian Pfeiffer, a criminologist and former justice minister of Lower Saxony state from the center-left Social Democrats (SPD). Ingo Westen, vice-president of the German Moroccan society based in Dortmund an hour's drive from Cologne, said young North African men arrive with high hopes for lives in "paradise" but quickly become disillusioned by life with just a bed and a small stipend. "That easily results in people who are not particularly strong getting corrupted by ringleaders who say: 'let's rob the department store over there or steal a mobile phone or clothes, and then we'll have a little bit of money when we sell them'." His organization worries that longer-settled migrants who have long been integrated into German society are increasingly falling under blanket suspicion too. It called for the German government to declare North African countries like Morocco to be safe and rigorously deport people who commit crimes. so, bringing this back to Canada... to the OP... factoring in some of that missing perspective from your (now) linked article that you didn't initially quote/provide................... . What "Team" am I on? Clearly you and others here have decided I am on "Team Islamophobia" as indicated by that label being continuously applied to me and to anybody else who dares suggest that there could possibly be any reason for caution. do you think that perception you hold of how you are interpreted will be further influenced with some who... with your full reference now cited/available... might be questioning your somewhat selective initial quoting from that reference? .
cybercoma Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 As has already been stated, a family's security would come first. Regardless, you speak as though the Kahdr family doesn't exist.And you speak as though Khadr wasn't born here. Not entirely sure why you think one family is indicative of all Muslim refugees though. It's almost as if people are different from each other, even Muslims. Why it's like these Muslims are fleeing from other Muslims!
eyeball Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Yes the west is responsible for their share of the middle eastern affairs.How was the west responsible and what should it not have done? No where in my post did I ever seek justifications for what has been done....You've got all sort of supporters around here who do and as near as I can tell you've kept your mouth shut every time they did. Why, are you ashamed? You should be. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 This nonsense about the west being responsible for the abhorrent views of refugees that are based on the Koran is absurd.
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 How was the west responsible and what should it not have done? You've got all sort of supporters around here who do and as near as I can tell you've kept your mouth shut every time they did. Why, are you ashamed? You should be. Well I can tell you this eyeball, sticking your head in the sand and reverting back to your old song and dance of NOT doing nothing, let them sort it out by themselves is not the right direction either....The west has at least stood up and tried to help, be it as it may some of that help has done nothing , or made it worse but at least they are trying to come up with a solution.....Not all their efforts have been in vein.... You make it sound like i'm the leader of some kind of team, I AM NOT , I happen to share some of the same concerns as they do....on many issues, but I am not leading them in any direction....Each and everyone of them is a Canadian citizen, with their own opinions , some of them we share some of them we do not.... Unlike you eyeball if I have nothing to share or add I don't , a lack of response on my part does not mean I agree or disagree.....Not sure what you mean that I should be ashamed , ashamed of what , what I have said or what I have done.....looking back I feel no shame at anything....I may have some regrets, but over all I would do it all over again..... But then again that is your style Eyeball , sit back from your lofty throne and cast doubt on others, others that are taking some type of action.....putting little labels on everyone.....so your world does not fall apart, so you have purpose....Maybe eyeball it is time to come down from the mountain and join history become an active participant some how.... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
kimmy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 thanks for providing the link... only pressed the point given prior exchanges concerning the absence of (your) prior links. So your linked reference shows the low percentage of crime associated with Syrian refugees (re: your summary comment, "That sounds pretty good! The Syrians sound pretty swell"). Your linked reference speaks to a very high percentage of crime associated with "migrants from North Africa"... your linked reference also includes the follow-up sentence you didn't include in your quote from that reference: "Virtually none of the North Africans arriving in Germany have proven to be genuine refugees" . And if we were discussing "Syrianophobia" or "Refugeeophobia" then those would be very good points. so..... "can't (legally) work <> lack of integration". Problem - yes? From your (now) referenced link... sort of providing a bit of... missing perspective relative to that work/integration fail: . Yeah, they don't have jobs. No kidding. I think it's quite telling that the guy who is most critical of the young Moroccans arriving, and adamant that they be gotten rid of, is the president of the German Moroccan Society. I think the section you've quoted highlights the utter stupidity of the German politicians who allowed this situation to occur in the first place. Allowing such vast numbers of young men to swarm into the country in such a short period of time was utter idiocy. And, when realizing the scale of the mistake they'd made, they decided that the best course of action would be to attempt to hide the problem-- with the help of those who would attack any attempt to discuss migrant crime as "racism!" And on New Year's Eve the migrants finally made such a large mess that it couldn't be swept under the rug anymore. And that's why Germany finally gets forced to have this conversation. so, bringing this back to Canada... to the OP... factoring in some of that missing perspective from your (now) linked article that you didn't initially quote/provide................... . do you think that perception you hold of how you are interpreted will be further influenced with some who... with your full reference now cited/available... might be questioning your somewhat selective initial quoting from that reference? . My quoting hits all the major points. Your objection seems to be that I didn't mention that they aren't legally allowed to find work. What of it? So you didn't care for the term "Team Islam". If you were to choose a better name, what would it be? -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 And you speak as though Khadr wasn't born here. Not entirely sure why you think one family is indicative of all Muslim refugees though. It's almost as if people are different from each other, even Muslims. Why it's like these Muslims are fleeing from other Muslims! Last time I looked the problem was not with young mr khadr, as the member shady pointed out to you it was the Khadr family that has been very vocal or their dislike for our nation.....And as much as I like young omar, he is the only one within his family making an attempt to adjust.... you also dismiss the fact that the Khadr family is not alone in their distaste for our country....who speak of as though there is no issue with Muslims adjusting to Canadian culture, that there is no conversations ongoing about bringing in Shia law, or their unhappiness with western values..... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 "Team Islam"? Really? Which team do you play for... what's its name? since the focus of discussion was primarily around that New Years incident in the German city of Cologne... that was the reference in terms of the type of criminality and the related numbers (you know, those complaint versus victim numbers that you so failed at in not properly distinguishing between them). What's this - you want to extend that to the country at large to allow you to... to what? Narrow the gap between that focused incident's relatively "low" criminality number (in the "hundreds") versus the, for example, single years (2015) registered 'asylum seekers' count of 1.1 million? Do you have a "narrowed gap" number? as you've done repeatedly before within this thread, since you apparently feel you're above including the actual cited references to your provided quotes, I will completely ignore them... although your bold highlighting within a couple of the quotes caught my eye. I see you've ramped up your broadbrush to now draw attention to "committing crimes" without bothering to speak to the severity levels of your broadbrush. and in case you're not aware, your new board position status has apparently compromised the normal post notification feature such that MLW members will no longer receive automatic notification if you quote them... just a heads up in case I miss one of your posts and you're waiting with baited breath for a reply. (already discussed with modMichael; it was his interpretation of the change I'm providing here). . You're awesome at denying the damage of real actions here and instead switching the topic to sentence structure and url's, I think you must be an actual politician. Everyone in this thread understands exactly how many crimes were committed by a population of exactly x amount. What stats could you possible need to help you get things in perspective? Do you actually need someone to compile a statistic to tell you how many sexual assaults a community of 1M people should commit in one night? Noone's going to find that for you waldo. If you can't just grasp the magnitude of those events from your own understanding then the topic is quite plainly over your head. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 thanks for providing the link... only pressed the point given prior exchanges concerning the absence of (your) prior links. So your linked reference shows the low percentage of crime associated with Syrian refugees (re: your summary comment, "That sounds pretty good! The Syrians sound pretty swell"). Your linked reference speaks to a very high percentage of crime associated with "migrants from North Africa"... your linked reference also includes the follow-up sentence you didn't include in your quote from that reference: "Virtually none of the North Africans arriving in Germany have proven to be genuine refugees" your linked reference also highlights a problem with 'young single males'... but also provides the most telling comment that "Many {of the referenced North Africans} arrive not as families, but as single young men who are not legally permitted to work." so..... "can't (legally) work <> lack of integration". Problem - yes? From your (now) referenced link... sort of providing a bit of... missing perspective relative to that work/integration fail: so, bringing this back to Canada... to the OP... factoring in some of that missing perspective from your (now) linked article that you didn't initially quote/provide................... . do you think that perception you hold of how you are interpreted will be further influenced with some who... with your full reference now cited/available... might be questioning your somewhat selective initial quoting from that reference? . The classic "they were bored so they went out and committed some sexual assaults" defense. Those sexual assault cases will undoubtedly be thrown out of court. Do you have a link to prove that this "perpetual period of boredom" was going to last for their entire lives? If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
drummindiver Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 Something about warts and pride. This is about as close as you get to acknowledgment of any western responsibility for the state of affairs in the ME and surrounding region. And now cue the perspective of arm chair historians who flit about history seeking justifications for our behaviour like crack addicted hummingbirds looking for their next fix. sigh. The ME has been fighting for over 1400 years, Hardly the wests` fault.
waldo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 And if we were discussing "Syrianophobia" or "Refugeeophobia" then those would be very good points. huh! And if there was any honest intent to apply this thread back to Canada (you know, like the thread OP, like the thread title) would the active and much profiled SYRIAN REFUGEE program apply? And pardon me for factoring the brazillion posts in this thread that directly mention refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers, Syria, SYRIAN REFUGEES, etc., etc., etc.! . Yeah, they don't have jobs. No kidding. easy for you to say 'no kidding'... now that I highlighted that very pertinent point from your referenced article... but absent from your initial quote. Yes, it's a very pertinent influence - no kidding! If you had included it, your selective quoting from that article wouldn't appear so selective... and self-serving. . I think the section you've quoted highlights the utter stupidity of the German politicians who allowed this situation to occur in the first place. Allowing such vast numbers of young men to swarm into the country in such a short period of time was utter idiocy. And, when realizing the scale of the mistake they'd made, they decided that the best course of action would be to attempt to hide the problem-- with the help of those who would attack any attempt to discuss migrant crime as "racism!" And on New Year's Eve the migrants finally made such a large mess that it couldn't be swept under the rug anymore. And that's why Germany finally gets forced to have this conversation. more broadbrush? More? Cause, apparently (at least to you), there were no questions, challenges or protests concerning the large influx of refugees into Germany before 'New Years Eve'. Imagine that. I've read that the biggest target for your "hiding the problem... the New Years Eve problem", was the German media. I also read the event was so fluid, so dynamic that press coverage was forever "dated"... days old dated. Hey German media, welcome to my MLW world where kimmy has been on a tear here cause I put forward... days old data! Oh wait, yes... I did read about the City of Cologne's police chief playing down the events/numbers... but then again, some might think that was self-preservation given his police force didn't manage the event too well - ya think! And if there was some like downplay/cover-up by some politicians, I expect it has similar self-preservation attachment to it. . My quoting hits all the major points. Your objection seems to be that I didn't mention that they aren't legally allowed to find work. What of it? ya, ya... your quoting hit all YOUR major points - you betcha! And yes, per your initial quote (from a cite you didn't provide), you had no problem highlighting a very critical crime stat for "North Africa"; one that had no qualification on the severity of crimes within that stat, one that didn't distinguish families from single males per the article, one that didn't highlight the referenced article statement that none of the migrants met the definition of actual refugee, and... and... one that didn't mention the article point about them not being able to legally work, or the subsequent article points that extended upon 'not being able to work... idle-hands... failed integration...etc.. Yup, for sure, you quoted all YOUR major points... from a reference you initially didn't provide! .
waldo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 If you can't just grasp the magnitude of those events from your own understanding then the topic is quite plainly over your head. you're late to the party... the, "getting pissed at attempting to provide data perspective... data qualification... where none existed prior", party! .
Shady Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 sigh. The ME has been fighting for over 1400 years, Hardly the wests` fault. Exactly. It pre-dates the west's existence. They don't let anything get in the way of a good meme though. Even stubborn facts. Any means of blaming non-brown people.
Argus Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) "Team Islam"? Really? Which team do you play for... what's its name? That's the team dedicated to the spread of conservative Islam and all its misogynistic and homophobic glory across the west. Your team, Waldo. since the focus of discussion was primarily around that New Years incident in the German city of Cologne... Nope. The focus of discussion is on whether it is 'islamophobia' to be wary about importing vast numbers of people with a religious based culture and value system which devalues women and marks them as inherently inferior. What dangers to our secular and liberal cultures are presented by bringing in ever larger numbers of people who are zealous religious adherents of extreme, backward cultural practices? The incidents in Cologne were simply used as an example of what happens when you invite such people into your society. Edited January 31, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted January 31, 2016 Report Posted January 31, 2016 The classic "they were bored so they went out and committed some sexual assaults" defense. Those sexual assault cases will undoubtedly be thrown out of court. Do you have a link to prove that this "perpetual period of boredom" was going to last for their entire lives? c'mon, that draws from MLW member kimmy's referenced article; one quoting a criminologist/former justice minister - I didn't take that as a "classic defense", as you say... why, I took that as qualifying comment offering a professional insight into factors/influences on behaviour and subsequent failed integration into society. You're asking for "proof that behaviour ifluences will be forevah"? Really? Oh my!
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