eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Don't we 'punish' kids every time their parents immigration or refugee claim is rejected? If someone flies into Canada just to have their baby, then returns home, are we 'punishing' the kid by refusing to grant it citizenship?These have nothing to do with what I asked you. If you don't have a moral or ethical leg to stand on just say so and stop deflecting. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Statistics show people from the middle east, northern Africa and western Asia perform very poorly in Canada anyway in economic terms. Making decisions about individuals based on group statistics is associated with leftist attitudes, and programs such as Affirmative Action. Do you generally believe in this principle, because it could take you into some strange places. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 These have nothing to do with what I asked you. If you don't have a moral or ethical leg to stand on just say so and stop deflecting. Morality has nothing to do with these sorts of decisions. Either we allow everyone to come here, and turn the place into a shithole like most of the rest of the world, which is what Michael H wants, or we establish restrictive rules for who comes here based on who is going to make the best contribution to our society and economy. Given that people who come here, then pick up and go home again within a few years contribute nothing to our society but bills, I see no moral issues involved in cancelling their immigration and citizenship. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Making decisions about individuals based on group statistics is associated with leftist attitudes, and programs such as Affirmative Action. Do you generally believe in this principle, because it could take you into some strange places. That's a pretty far stretch. We make decisions based on 'group' statistics all the time in all manner of ways from health care to economic incentives. We make those decisions in our own private lives every day with regard to goods from manufacturers whose products tend to fail more often than others. I see no reason with taking that into the sphere of immigration. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Some people here transfer one woman wanting to wear a scarf over her face to the dismissal and condemnation of a billion people. Imagine that leap. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PIK Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 When those billion people start standing up to the hijackers of their religion, then maybe they will get some slack. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 When those billion people start standing up to the hijackers of their religion, then maybe they will get some slack.Ok cool. You obviously then have protested and offered your apologies to and for .... A- internment of the Japanese here in Canada. B- treatment of First Nations and stealing C- residential schools D- Catholic pervert priests In case you havent, why not? Why are you such a horrible person for being a white Canadian. I do hope the folks around you arent really mean all day to you but let you know how bad your kind really is. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Would you apologize if you'd been falsely accused? Wouldn't you appreciate some support in the event you answered no to the 1st question I asked? He admitted guilt, so please, stop saying he was falsely accused. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) I think when the discussion devolves down into comments such as piss ant or the like, its time to hit the ignore button. Yes, and "shut up" is so much more conducive to meaningful dialogue. (sarcasm indicated here, just so you know you haven't been Poe;d) You don't like piss ant, so let's call him what he is...a murdering thug of a terrorist who comes from a family of terrorist thugs. And no, it's not my fault that they are terrorists. Nor other Canadians. So shut it with that. Edited April 27, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Ok cool. You obviously then have protested and offered your apologies to and for .... A- internment of the Japanese here in Canada. B- treatment of First Nations and stealing C- residential schools D- Catholic pervert priests In case you havent, why not? Why are you such a horrible person for being a white Canadian. I do hope the folks around you arent really mean all day to you but let you know how bad your kind really is. Glad there's no thread drift here. (more sarcasm indicated). Quote
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) He admitted guilt, so please, stop saying he was falsely accused. I asked you what you would do if you were falsely accused. All he did was tell a phony court conducting a phony trial what it wanted to hear. Edited April 27, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Hes already spent life in prison. He was 15 years old. His country was invaded. The scum here is....you know who His country was invaded? I thought he was Canadian? Oh wait, he is Canadian. Canada was invaded? Really? (jfc, and you insinuate other people don't know what the eff is going on) Quote
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I asked you what you would do if you were falsely accused. All he did was tell a phony court conducting a phony trial what it wanted to hear. Again, he is a confessed, convicted murderer. Every murderer says they are innocent. All lefties believe them. That's why they are always allowed back out on the street to repeat. What are his chances of recidivism? Pretty damn good I'd guess. Quote
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Ok cool. You obviously then have protested and offered your apologies to and for .... A- internment of the Japanese here in Canada. B- treatment of First Nations and stealing C- residential schools D- Catholic pervert priests In case you havent, why not? Why are you such a horrible person for being a white Canadian. I do hope the folks around you arent really mean all day to you but let you know how bad your kind really is. Given we weren't alive during any of that, other than the Catholic priests, I don't think the suggestion is exactly fair. As for Catholic 'pervert priests' from what I understand their numbers are no greater than in the general population. That might not be much to brag about if you're a priest, buti it's hardly a reason for wholesale condemnation - which, btw, has taken place for years now, anyway. Edited April 27, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I asked you what you would do if you were falsely accused. All he did was tell a phony court conducting a phony trial what it wanted to hear. Must be true, because he was only there to sell Boy Scout cookies from Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Morality has nothing to do with these sorts of decisions. Either we allow everyone to come here, and turn the place into a shithole like most of the rest of the world, which is what Michael H wants, or we establish restrictive rules for who comes here based on who is going to make the best contribution to our society and economy. Given that people who come here, then pick up and go home again within a few years contribute nothing to our society but bills, I see no moral issues involved in cancelling their immigration and citizenship.This still has nothing to do with punishing Canadian children for having been deliberately radicalized and indoctrinated into being a soldier/terrorist/combatant/whatever. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
drummindiver Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 This still has nothing to do with punishing Canadian children for having been deliberately radicalized and indoctrinated into being a soldier/terrorist/combatant/whatever. Then your suggestion is to allow indoctrination and radicalization with out reproach. Can't penalize the parents for what the kids do (except in Canada, of course, if your kid breaks a window the parents are liable. You know, responsible. So why not parents who indoctrinate violent ideology?) And of course, we can't punish the perpetrators, as it isn't their fault. It's their parents'. Who we can't penalize. Oy vei. Quote
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Morality has nothing to do with these sorts of decisions. Either we allow everyone to come here, and turn the place into a shithole like most of the rest of the world, which is what Michael H wants, or we establish restrictive rules for who comes here based on who is going to make the best contribution to our society and economy. Given that people who come here, then pick up and go home again within a few years contribute nothing to our society but bills, I see no moral issues involved in cancelling their immigration and citizenship. We already have a restrictive set of rules for who comes here, Iv looked but havent seen any real evidence of a problem with Canadas muslim immigrants, and in general their children should be fairly well integrated and productive. Dont worry... give it some time and these folks will be eating Baconators at Wendys drinking crappy Canadian beer, and watching bad television like the rest of us. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Again, he is a confessed, convicted murderer. Every murderer says they are innocent. All lefties believe them. So you're saying I shouldn't believe the confession of a liar?Okay. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Then your suggestion is to allow indoctrination and radicalization with out reproach.No it's not.Can't penalize the parents for what the kids do (except in Canada, of course, if your kid breaks a window the parents are liable. You know, responsible. So why not parents who indoctrinate violent ideology?)Damn good question, one I've asked many of your ilk. And of course, we can't punish the perpetrators, as it isn't their fault. It's their parents'. Who we can't penalize. Oy vei. The reason we can't charge Omar Khadr's mother with illegally indoctrinating her son into being a soldier is that doing so changes the entire narrative constructed around how the GWOT is being conducted. If Omar was a soldier then he was a POW and if he was a POW then so were all the other captives in GITMO. A lot of political capital is invested in claiming otherwise.Oy vey indeed. Edited April 27, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
guyser Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Can't penalize the parents for what the kids do (except in Canada, of course, if your kid breaks a window the parents are liable.No they arent. But most people would know that, then again, most people know about coercive guilty pleas. Smart people really. Sorry you dont. Quote
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 So anyone have any ideas on why the Crown can't charge Khadr's mother with radicalization? My guess is that doing so would imply her son is a victim. Oy vey? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
guyser Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Given we weren't alive during any of that, other than the Catholic priests, I don't think the suggestion is exactly fair.The point is counter to pik's ridiculous assertion. No one can blame the all for the actions of a few. Quote
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Then your suggestion is to allow indoctrination and radicalization with out reproach. Can't penalize the parents for what the kids do (except in Canada, of course, if your kid breaks a window the parents are liable. You know, responsible. So why not parents who indoctrinate violent ideology?) And of course, we can't punish the perpetrators, as it isn't their fault. It's their parents'. Who we can't penalize. Oy vei. Canadian parents can only be penalized for the civil aspects of criminal activity (the damages to the window). Or if they directly incite or encourage violence they can and should be charged for that. However... if the parents were simply telling him that he should go to Afghanistan and help resist its invasion and occupation by foreigners, then meh... who cares. Either way the alledged crime he commited was in Afghanistan... If they want him, then we should just extradite him, provided we recieve assurances he will be properly treated. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
guyser Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Either way the alledged crime he commited was in Afghanistan... If they want him, then we should just extradite him, provided we recieve assurances he will be properly treated.Cant. We do not have an extradition treaty with Afghanistan . Quote
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