Khadr Wins Transfer

[Argus]

Yeah I got something. A bigoted statement with absolutely no corroboration, and a huge assumption.But at least you are consistent.

Yeah, I asked you about that and you weren't even able to point out what was bigoted about it. The polls have backed up what I said. The majority of Canadians aren't fond of foreign Muslim extremists.

[Hydraboss]

Ok. Prove he is a terrorist.

Why would I have to prove that? As far as I can tell, his conviction is not being overturned - just being granted bail. I don't have to prove he's a terrorist since courts have already decided that.

Has his conviction been overturned and we all just missed it?

[jacee]

State-condoned after a guilty verdict at trial for heinous crimes? Absolutely.

We don't have such a thing, so it appeared to me that you want to do it ... or incite someone else to do it for you.

You might want to hope no one does.

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[On Guard for Thee]

He's already been convicted. What you mean is "prove he's white" because unless that can be done you'll never admit he could have done anything wrong.

He was not convicted, he plead guilty under extremely nefarious conditions and later recanted. He may have done something wrong, and he has paid quite a price. Because he has a funny name and is dark skinned our ilk automatically assumes....

[Hydraboss]

He was not convicted...

Last time I checked, no one goes to prison without a conviction. Is there a new set of laws that you're familiar with?

In law, a conviction is the verdict that results when a court of law finds a defendant guilty of a crime.^[1] The opposite of a conviction is an acquittal (i.e. "not guilty"). In Scotland and in the Netherlands, there can also be a verdict of "not proven", which counts as an acquittal. There are also cases where the court orders that a defendant not be convicted, despite being found guilty; in the England, Wales and Canada the mechanism for this is a discharge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction

Edited April 26, 2015 by Hydraboss

[On Guard for Thee]

Yeah, I asked you about that and you weren't even able to point out what was bigoted about it. The polls have backed up what I said. The majority of Canadians aren't fond of foreign Muslim extremists.

What is bigoted is you seem to think every Muslim is a extremist so we cat let them into the country. Get under your bed I suggest. They are and will continue to come.

[On Guard for Thee]

Last time I checked, no one goes to prison without a conviction. Is there a new set of laws that you're familiar with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction

He plead guilty. Thats automatically a conviction. Didnt you know that. Or what set of laws are you struggling to comprehend...

[GostHacked]

What has that got to do with the current conversation concerning this particular individual?

Let's hope he doesn't blow up any little Jewish kids - not that you'd care about that, I'm sure.

Really Argus? Just tell us what you really feel.

[Hydraboss]

We don't have such a thing, so it appeared to me that you want to do it ... or incite someone else to do it for you.

You might want to hope no one does.

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Why would I hope no one does? Where did I "incite" anyone? Do you happen to recall the words "state-condoned" or are you choosing to ignore that portion?

I would be quite happy to see him pay the proper penalty for his crimes (ie. capital punishment), but if it can't be done in Canada, then by all means extradite him.

[Argus]

He was not convicted, he plead guilty under extremely nefarious conditions and later recanted. He may have done something wrong, and he has paid quite a price. Because he has a funny name and is dark skinned our ilk automatically assumes....

Unlike you liberal bigots, I don't care what his skin colour or name are. I only care about his actions and what kind of person he is. I won't excuse him because he's got darker skin like you are, because I believe whatever ones skin colour you're capable of meeting the same standards of behaviour. Maybe one day you'll stop thinking non-whites are inferior and start holding them to the same standards as whites too.

Edited April 26, 2015 by Argus

[On Guard for Thee]

It's interesting that your standard of proof to convict a minority person exceeds that of criminal courts, but I guess if you're going to set yourself up as the defender of the downtrodden you can't let mere facts get in your way.

Apparently you have no idea of the facts.

[Argus]

What is bigoted is you seem to think every Muslim is a extremist so we cat let them into the country. Get under your bed I suggest. They are and will continue to come.

I wasn't talking about EVERY Muslim, I was talking about THIS Muslim who was caught throwing grenades and shooting at American soldiers, who has spent virtually no time in Canada, can only speak English because of his time in a yankee prison, and who remains an extremist in his beliefs, just like his whole rotten to the core family.

[Hydraboss]

He plead guilty. Thats automatically a conviction. Didnt you know that. Or what set of laws are you struggling to comprehend...

YOU are the one who said he hadn't been convicted, not me. Try to stay on one side or the other if you can.

[On Guard for Thee]

Unlike you liberal bigots, I don't care what his skin colour or name are. I only care about his actions and what kind of person he is. I won't excuse him because he's got darker skin like you are, because I believe whatever ones skin colour you're capable of meeting the same standards of behaviour. Maybe one day you'll stop thinking non-whites are inferior and start holding them to the same standards as whites too.

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I wasn't talking about EVERY Muslim, I was talking about THIS Muslim who was caught throwing grenades and shooting at American soldiers, who has spent virtually no time in Canada, can only speak English because of his time in a yankee prison, and who remains an extremist in his beliefs, just like his whole rotten to the core family.

And you have jack shit proof of any of that.

[jacee]

It is unlikely he'll meet with anything other than extreme contempt and potential danger if he steps outside Edmonton into any of the surrounding areas. His only hope is not to use his real name (since so many people have no idea what he actually looks like) and to stay to the "progressive" parts of the city. Regardless of what the courts may decide is or is not legal with regards to his release, there are far more people out here that won't care (you know, the people that you, Gosthacked and OGFT don't like).

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Again with the threats and inciting violence.

But now I see that you are clearly trying to incite others to violence.

"Let's ... YOU kill him!"

Omar Khadr did not throw the grenade that killed Speers. He was wounded and under a pile of rubble at the time. That's according to the testimony of an American soldier who was there and saw the pile of rubble before the grenade was thrown.

That military pre-trial was then shut down when Obama took power.

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[Hydraboss]

He was not convicted, he plead guilty under extremely nefarious conditions and later recanted. He may have done something wrong, and he has paid quite a price. Because he has a funny name and is dark skinned our ilk automatically assumes....

Uhm.....

[On Guard for Thee]

YOU are the one who said he hadn't been convicted, not me. Try to stay on one side or the other if you can.

He plead guilty. Lets start there. Do you understand what that means..

[Hydraboss]

Again with the threats and inciting violence.

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Please point out the words that you think I used to that are "threats" or are "inciting violence". If you want to accuse me of it, make sure you're damn accurate in what you write.

[On Guard for Thee]

Unlike you liberal bigots, I don't care what his skin colour or name are. I only care about his actions and what kind of person he is. I won't excuse him because he's got darker skin like you are, because I believe whatever ones skin colour you're capable of meeting the same standards of behaviour. Maybe one day you'll stop thinking non-whites are inferior and start holding them to the same standards as whites too.

We Liberals think skin color doesnt really make us want to start spouting baseless vitriol and closing the borders.

[Argus]

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And you have jack shit proof of any of that.

His father was a terrorist, his brothers were terrorists. His mother and sister are religious extremists who wear shrouds and curse out Canada. In Guantanamo, among the terrorists there, he was deeply religious - on their terms - leading prayer meetings and expressing a sincere willingness to die for his beliefs.

What exactly leads you to believe that suddenly he's going to start acting like a normal, everyday Canadian - when he's barely spent any time in this country to begin with, and his whole family are extremists?

[jacee]

Why would I hope no one does? Where did I "incite" anyone? Do you happen to recall the words "state-condoned" or are you choosing to ignore that portion?

We don't have "state-sponsored".

What you are saying could be considered promoting or inciting a murder by the police who lurk these boards.

SO ... you might not want to promote or incite murder, and you might want to hope nobody does him in and claims "The Hydraboss told me to!"

I would be quite happy to see him pay the proper penalty for his crimes (ie. capital punishment), but if it can't be done in Canada, then by all means extradite him.

Oh I'm pretty sure the US does not want him back, and you would know that if you actually knew anything at all about this case.

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[Hydraboss]

He plead guilty. Lets start there. Do you understand what that means..

I absolutely understand what his guilty plea means. In fact, I posted a link for you that contains it. First you state that he was not convicted, then you state that he was convicted, now you are off on the "plead guilty" tangent. Perhaps the question should be "do YOU understand what that means.."

Khadr plead guilty and was convicted. Subsequently, he was put in jail. Following that he was transferred to Canada and again put in jail. He is now being granted bail, which people who are not convicted do not receive because they do not need it. If he were to be found not guilty in Canada, he would have had his conviction overturned and been acquitted or been discharged.

Now, do you or do you not think he was convicted?

[On Guard for Thee]

His father was a terrorist, his brothers were terrorists. His mother and sister are religious extremists who wear shrouds and curse out Canada. In Guantanamo, among the terrorists there, he was deeply religious - on their terms - leading prayer meetings and expressing a sincere willingness to die for his beliefs.

What exactly leads you to believe that suddenly he's going to start acting like a normal, everyday Canadian - when he's barely spent any time in this country to begin with, and his whole family are extremists?

As usual you are flailing. For every report you can find about his family, I will show you one that disputes it. In any case, he has spent 13 years in a whacky, illegal US prison and been tortured. He is about due for parole even if he had have been properly convicted. An interview I heard just today with a teacher from Canada who spent time with him in Gitmo claims he was a model student. Basically you buy the BS and because hes brown boy you are happy to keep eating it.

[Hydraboss]

We don't have "state-sponsored".

What you are saying could be considered promoting or inciting a murder by the police who lurk these boards.

SO ... you might not want to promote or incite murder, and you might want to hope nobody does him in and claims "The Hydraboss told me to!"

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Then by all means report me to the RCMP. They can find me quite easily through the information MLW has on me. Go ahead. I'll wait here for them.

[On Guard for Thee]

I absolutely understand what his guilty plea means. In fact, I posted a link for you that contains it. First you state that he was not convicted, then you state that he was convicted, now you are off on the "plead guilty" tangent. Perhaps the question should be "do YOU understand what that means.."

Khadr plead guilty and was convicted. Subsequently, he was put in jail. Following that he was transferred to Canada and again put in jail. He is now being granted bail, which people who are not convicted do not receive because they do not need it. If he were to be found not guilty in Canada, he would have had his conviction overturned and been acquitted or been discharged.

Now, do you or do you not think he was convicted?

Man this is like pulling teeth. If you plead guilty you are automatically convicted. Is that so difficult.