On Guard for Thee Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Even your "facts" come from America....the only thing CanCon about this story is Omar from Canada, now a convicted war criminal. Now he and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.,can share their stories of how they all got there. Quote
Argus Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 People who speak out against the biggest war criminal nation on the planet are precisely the people any country should want. Sheeple, not so much. Doesn't this ranting anarchist wack job act of yours get tiresome at times? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't this ranting anarchist wack job act of yours get tiresome at times? Such utter nonsense. I'm the one asking for the rule of law to be followed and you are an apologist for war criminals and terrorists. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 The rule of law has determined that Omar Khadr is a convicted war criminal and murderer. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 No such thing happened, at all. "The recruitment and use of children in hostilities is a war crime, and those who are responsible -- the adult recruiters -- should be prosecuted,"...."The children involved are victims, acting under coercion." Source Only uncivilized savages bereft of the rule of law would think otherwise. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Only uncivilized savages bereft of the rule of law would think otherwise. Only uncivilized savages would send Canadian "children" to Afghanistan to commit war crimes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Funny how you can see when someone's "not a real Christian," but categorically deny that anyone is "not a real Muslim." Also in play here: deciding that Christianity means not making pizzas for gay people should be protected freedom of religious expression, but wearing traditional religious garb is not. Jesus loved the gay pizza, I know this for a fact.... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Also in play here: deciding that Christianity means not making pizzas for gay people should be protected freedom of religious expression, but wearing traditional religious garb is not. Jesus loved the gay pizza, I know this for a fact.... False equivalency. Nobody has ever suggested, at least, to my knowledge, that pizzerias shouldn't or wouldn't or should be allowed to refuse service to gays. The only thing I'm ambivalent about in that regard would be something like a B&B, if it were the owner's home. And what fundamentalist Christians do in their own home is their business, just like what Muslims do or wear in theirs. It's when they're in people's face that the secular population starts feeling unhappy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 Only uncivilized savages would send Canadian "children" to Afghanistan to commit war crimes. Exactly. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 The rule of law has determined that Omar Khadr is a convicted war criminal and murderer. What rule of law is that I wonder. Do you mean the one that was brought into being after Khadr had already been in Gitmo for 4 years. The rule of international law strictly forbids that. I guess you like to pick and choose which rules youd like to adhere to. Quote
guyser Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 False equivalency. Nobody has ever suggested, at least, to my knowledge, that pizzerias shouldn't or wouldn't or should be allowed to refuse service to gays. The only thing I'm ambivalent about in that regard would be something like a B&B, if it were the owner's home.A B&B operating out of a home needs a business licence , a business number from the CRA,a commercial sign permit , a liquor permit if you allow booze on the premises.......like a regular business. Some places do not require this, some dont have the manpower to bother. There really is no diff Argus. Quote
Argus Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 A B&B operating out of a home needs a business licence , a business number from the CRA,a commercial sign permit , a liquor permit if you allow booze on the premises.......like a regular business. Some places do not require this, some dont have the manpower to bother. There really is no diff Argus. I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between a home business and another kind. And I don't think the question would arise often enough for us to say there is a societal imperative in rejecting some sort of accommodation in that case. How many fundamentalist Christians operate B&Bs from their homes anyway? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between a home business and another kind.Maybe reasonable to think so, but in actuality it truly isn't. They operate under the same restrictions for the most part. And I don't think the question would arise often enough for us to say there is a societal imperative in rejecting some sort of accommodation in that case. How many fundamentalist Christians operate B&Bs from their homes anyway?Surprisingly many. And to boot? There is precedent.... The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal has fined the owners of a now-closed bed and breakfast $4,500 for refusing to grant a gay couple a reservation in 2009 after learning of their sexual orientation, the Vancouver Sun reports. Les and Susan Molnar, the former owners of the Riverbend B&B, cited religious reasons for why they wouldn't agree to rent a room to Shaun Eadie and Brian Thomas, who live in Vancouver. The Molnars tried to argue that the B&B was part of their home, saying they pray there and feel responsible for the behavior of their guests. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/canadian-bb-owes-gay-couple-fined-4500_n_1687757.html ....and more.... This isn't the first time a B&B owner's religious beliefs spilled over into their business practices and was deemed discriminatory. In February, a Christian couple running a bed and breakfast in Cornwall was ordered them to pay a gay couple £3,600, or about $5,600, for refusing them service, the Guardian reported. That couple argued that they wouldn't permit any unmarried couple to stay at their property -- regardless of sexual orientation -- because they believe pre-marital sex to be a sin. But the author of the judgement for the Equality and Human Right's Commission, which issued the ruling, found that the B&B owners weren't being prohibited from exercising their religious beliefs. "They are merely prohibited from so doing in the commercial context they have chosen," she wrote. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 False equivalency. Nobody has ever suggested, at least, to my knowledge, that pizzerias shouldn't or wouldn't or should be allowed to refuse service to gays. I'm suggesting they shouldn't be allowed to refuse service to gays. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Maybe reasonable to think so, but in actuality it truly isn't. They operate under the same restrictions for the most part. Oh I don't doubt that they do. Laws are notorious for being all-encompassing unless specific exemptions are written into them. I just don't think it would be a big deal if a few fundies were allowed an exemption. This isn't the first time a B&B owner's religious beliefs spilled over into their business practices and was deemed discriminatory. In February, a Christian couple running a bed and breakfast in Cornwall was ordered them to pay a gay couple £3,600, or about $5,600, for refusing them service, the Guardian reported. That couple argued that they wouldn't permit any unmarried couple to stay at their property -- regardless of sexual orientation -- because they believe pre-marital sex to be a sin. So they had to close down their B&B because one gay couple complained. I just don't see how this improves anyone's life, including the gay couple, who damned sure aren't going to be staying there anyway. Edited April 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 That's risible. Omar being tried by the war criminals/terrorists that invaded Afghanistan. That's like the Nazis trying Mother Teresa. I guess you're not a particularly patriotic Canadian. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Je suis Omar Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 The rule of law has determined that Omar Khadr is a convicted war criminal and murderer. The USA doesn't do the rule of law. It excels at torture, murder, rape, thievery, lying and propaganda. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 I guess you're not a particularly patriotic Canadian. Strange days indeed. You consider it patriotic to support American war crimes/criminals and terrorists. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Posted May 7, 2015 So to-day, Judge Myra Bielby said, "Mr. Khadr, you're free to go." So begins another stage for this political ping pong ball. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 So to-day, Judge Myra Bielby said, "Mr. Khadr, you're free to go." So begins another stage for this political ping pong ball. I doubt Harper wants to get smacked down by the SCC again, so as long as Khadr abides by his bail restrictions, the next major event will be the outcome of his appeal. Quote
eyeball Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 Followed by him suing us for some pretty grievous damages. To bad we couldn't send that bill to the bigot currently occupying the PMO. Chretien should get a piece of that too for being such a coward. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 I'd like to suggest a thread title update. Khadr Wins Transfer, Freedom and....stay tuned for developments. Khadr will speak to the media/Canada in less than an hour. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Je suis Omar Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 "Mr. Harper is a "bigot," Edney said. "We left a Canadian child in Guantanamo Bay to suffer torture (and) we Canada participated in this torture. So today's a wonderful day for justice." http://m.therecord.com/news-story/5606302--free-to-go-omar-khadr-out-on-bail Quote
poochy Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 "Mr. Harper is a "bigot," Edney said. "We left a Canadian child in Guantanamo Bay to suffer torture (and) we Canada participated in this torture. So today's a wonderful day for justice." http://m.therecord.com/news-story/5606302--free-to-go-omar-khadr-out-on-bail Well if his lawyer said so! How many Canadian "children" are believed to have been killing our allies soldiers in a war zone? Not that it matters to you. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 8, 2015 Report Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Well if his lawyer said so! How many Canadian "children" are believed to have been killing our allies soldiers in a war zone? "Our allies" are war criminals and terrorists. Not that it matters to you. Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far. Arrests are when now? Posted May 17, 2014 4:10am UTC by Carl Herman hat tip: Washingtons Blog and David Swanson People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country. The data confirm this conclusion: Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them. These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men. The US has war-murdered more than Hitlers Nazis. US official reports now confirm all reasons the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told. These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently). US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/earth-248-armed-conflicts-ww2-us-started-201-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html The USA is the only country that has been judged by the countries of the world as a terrorist nation. That was for only one of the many USA terrorist actions against most of the countries on the planet. Not that you care. The USA calling anyone a terrorist is laughable in the extreme. Edited May 8, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
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