Topaz Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 IF every person in war, was jailed because they killed someone, who would be left to fight????? Also, what about "friendly -fire" deaths? Khadr was 11 years old when he went overseas and did what his dad told him to do and in some cultures, kids OBEY their parents. He has done his time, more than he should have but if some of you on here , still want him to pay, that's YOUR problem and not his. Khadr hasn't had a chance to show Canada that he's not a danger, so let the guy alone and get a life, a Christian life. Quote
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) How exactly do you remove a Canadian's citizenship? After there any examples of Ottawa having done this to anyone born here? He's only a Canadian because of a piece of paper. Tear it up and send him off with mommy back to Egypt or Pakistan. It's absolutely ridiculous that any foreigner who comes here and has her kid before leaving gives that kid Canadian citizenship. What's Canadian about him? I was born to my air force father on a Canadian air force base in Europe. I recall getting a little card which said I was a Canadian citizen but only if I had demonstrated this by residing in Canada until my eighteenth birthday. Seems to me we should make the same sort of rules for children born to foreigners who are born here and then move back home. Edited April 27, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Perhaps he should be returned to Afghanistan to let their courts decide. Why are we stuck with him? He's spent far more of his life in Afghanistan and in Pakistan than he ever has here. Remove his citizenship, and that of his family, for that matter, and expel them all. Omar Khadr was born here and has no other citizenship. You are just blowing smoke through your bigot bonnet. . Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too.
jacee Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) He is a remorseless killer and convicted terrorist and he pleaded guilty to that on his lawyers advice. He was to be released to this country and do his 8 yrs. Now some judge lets him out. That is wrong. I would like to see him show some remorse for what he was involved in.It's hard to show remorse for a crime you didn't commit.But I am also interested in how he feels about jihad now, whether he will continue associating with extremists. . Edited April 27, 2015 by jacee Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too.
jacee Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 How exactly do you remove a Canadian's citizenship? After there any examples of Ottawa having done this to anyone born here? Harper passed a law that allows them to do that for terrorists (and other criminals?) who have dual citizenship. (Khadr doesn't.) Not sure that it matters where they were born. . Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too.
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 It's one thing for Harper to pass a law but has it actually been applied and withstood the SCC sniff test? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Omar Khadr was born here and has no other citizenship. Kadr's father was an Egyptian, and his mother was and is a Pakistani. Let him go live in either place. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 It's hard to show remorse for a crime you didn't commit. But I am also interested in how he feels about jihad now, whether he will continue associating with extremists. . He and is family ARE extremists. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Kadr's father was an Egyptian, and his mother was and is a Pakistani. Let him go live in either place. Letting him is completely different than forcing him. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 He and is family ARE extremists. So are you - shouldn't we have the ability to strip you of your citizenship and send you packing too? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 So are you - shouldn't we have the ability to strip you of your citizenship and send you packing too? You only think of me as extreme because of how far, far far out on the fringe you are. Nothing I've expressed here, probably ever, wouldn't have the support of half the population or more. I am mainstream. Your sympathies and support for terrorists and terrorist wannabes is not. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Letting him is completely different than forcing him. I wouldn't have let his extremist parents into Canada to begin with. That was your ilk. Having let them in I would have booted them out as soon as they revealed how extreme they were. Again, the reason they're still here is you and your fuzzy headed leftist grouphug mentality towards extremists. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 He's only a Canadian because of a piece of paper. Tear it up and send him off with mommy back to Egypt or Pakistan. What's Canadian about him? Whats Canadian about YOU? You seem to have disdain for our constitution and courts, many of our immigrants, etc. Whats Canadian about ME for that matter? Im not fond of our government in general, and I think patriotism and nationalism are mental illnesses. I just like the place where I live, and the 100 or so people that are good friends. Where should we send me? Gitmo? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Again, the reason they're still here is you and your fuzzy headed leftist grouphug mentality towards extremists. No, the reason they are still here is because of the rules/laws on immigration and citizenship established by democratically elected conservative and liberal governments over the last few decades, and by conservative and liberal appointment to the SCC. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Again, the reason they're still here is you and your fuzzy headed leftist grouphug mentality towards extremists. Don't you mean my Jihadist mentality towards Canada? What would you have the Harper Government do about that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Don't you mean my Jihadist mentality towards Canada? What would you have the Harper Government do about that? Ignore you and stop letting extremists come to Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 Ignore you and stop letting extremists come to Canada. We already try to avoid letting in bad immigrants. The problem is that unless theres some kind of documented history of extremist acts that the goverment has access too, people arent just gonna come out and say they are extremists. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 We already try to avoid letting in bad immigrants. The problem is that unless theres some kind of documented history of extremist acts that the goverment has access too, people arent just gonna come out and say they are extremists. I don't just mean extremist acts, I mean extremist mentalities. These people so disliked Canada they took their children away to raise them abroad because they didn't want them infected with our cultural values. As far as I'm concerned one rule which should be in place is if you immigrate to Canada then leave for any substantial length of time you lose your citizenship and so do your kids. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I don't just mean extremist acts, I mean extremist mentalities. These people so disliked Canada they took their children away to raise them abroad because they didn't want them infected with our cultural values. As far as I'm concerned one rule which should be in place is if you immigrate to Canada then leave for any substantial length of time you lose your citizenship and so do your kids. So punishing kids for the crimes of their parents is a moderate Canadian cultural value that you would enshrine with rules and such? And you're mainstream? I have to admit I don't see your ilk disagreeing with any of this so maybe you really are. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 So punishing kids for the crimes of their parents is a moderate Canadian cultural value that you would enshrine with rules and such? And you're mainstream? I have to admit I don't see your ilk disagreeing with any of this so maybe you really are. Don't we 'punish' kids every time their parents immigration or refugee claim is rejected? If someone flies into Canada just to have their baby, then returns home, are we 'punishing' the kid by refusing to grant it citizenship? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I don't just mean extremist acts, I mean extremist mentalities. . So... "thought crimes". Dont you see that as being sorta contrary to our values as a society? People are free to think some pretty crazy stuff as long as they dont act on it, and they obey the law. And how exactly do you plan on identifying people "extremist mentalities"... you realize these people wont self identify right? And your example of someone leaving the country for a while doesnt really seem to be relevant to the conversation. Isnt it possible that a perfectly good citizen might want to spend a few years abroad? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 So... "thought crimes". Dont you see that as being sorta contrary to our values as a society? I see it as being suicidally stupid to bring in hordes of foreigners whose values are violently contrary to our values. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I see it as being suicidally stupid to bring in hordes of foreigners whose values are violently contrary to our values. I dont see any evidence suggesting we are doing anything like that. But you didnt answer the question... How do you plan on identifying people unless theres some information available to us at the time showing they belonged to an extremist organization, or took part in extremist activities? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I see it as being suicidally stupid to bring in hordes of foreigners whose values are violently contrary to our values. But yet in another thread we sell of the Canadian Wheat Board to the Saudis. What gives? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Argus Posted April 27, 2015 Report Posted April 27, 2015 I dont see any evidence suggesting we are doing anything like that. But you didnt answer the question... How do you plan on identifying people unless theres some information available to us at the time showing they belonged to an extremist organization, or took part in extremist activities? We can start by not letting in anyone who believes women should be swaddled in shrouds their entire lives. If that doesn't work we can simply stop taking immigrants from Muslim countries at all. Statistics show people from the middle east, northern Africa and western Asia perform very poorly in Canada anyway in economic terms. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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