This week in Islam

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Goddess said:

She's probably safer in prison now, than risking being honour killed by the father.

Depends...Islam and Prison life are a hand-in-hand venture these days.

[?Impact]

13 minutes ago, betsy said:

Allah Akbar is their battle cry!

Really, did any of the following use that battle cry?

• Shelly Shannon
• Jim David Adkisson
• Paul Jennings Hill
• Eric Rudolph
• James Charles Kopp
• John C. Salvi

[DogOnPorch]

6 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Really, did any of the following use that battle cry?

• Shelly Shannon
• Jim David Adkisson
• Paul Jennings Hill
• Eric Rudolph
• James Charles Kopp
• John C. Salvi

Islam is the Religion of Peace.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Really, did any of the following use that battle cry?

• Shelly Shannon
• Jim David Adkisson
• Paul Jennings Hill
• Eric Rudolph
• James Charles Kopp
• John C. Salvi

Aww, you must have worked so hard to come up with a half dozen Christian fanatics who have committed acts of violence over the last twenty years!

Meanwhile, from the religion of peace in 2016 we see 1274 attacks by Islamic fanatics in 50 countries killing almost 12,000 people.

Note: The list hasn't been updated since July.

This adds to the over 28,800 Islamic attacks since 9/11.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm

Edited December 15, 2016 by Argus

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Barring any other explanation.... would require looking for another one.  There are at least co-factors as we can say that countries with similar levels of ... desperation let's say ... can also have similar problems.

So your answer is somewhat nuanced but you seem to pull back from saying religion is THE cause.  Anyone else ?

I've pointed out the elephant in the room many times. There's nothing on this monkey-cage of a planet that makes religion more godawful than conservatism.

Edited December 15, 2016 by eyeball

[betsy]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Really, did any of the following use that battle cry?

• Shelly Shannon
• Jim David Adkisson
• Paul Jennings Hill
• Eric Rudolph
• James Charles Kopp
• John C. Salvi

 

We're in the Islam thread. 

[betsy]

21 minutes ago, Argus said:

Aww, you must have worked so hard to come up with a half dozen Christian fanatics who have committed acts of violence over the last twenty years!

Meanwhile, from the religion of peace in 2016 we see 1274 attacks by Islamic fanatics in 50 countries killing almost 12,000 people.

Note: The list hasn't been updated since July.

This adds to the over 28,800 Islamic attacks since 9/11.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm

He's at the wrong thread.

[Omni]

So no one should dare be critical of any other religion in this thread. Heaven forbid,

[The_Squid]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Aww, you must have worked so hard to come up with a half dozen Christian fanatics who have committed acts of violence over the last twenty years!

Meanwhile, from the religion of peace in 2016 we see 1274 attacks by Islamic fanatics in 50 countries killing almost 12,000 people.

Note: The list hasn't been updated since July.

This adds to the over 28,800 Islamic attacks since 9/11.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm

They mostly kill other Muslims, don't they?

[Argus]

7 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

They mostly kill other Muslims, don't they?

What's your point? Didn't all the Christian fanatics you list kill or try to kill other Christians?

You seem to have a highly selective outrage meter.

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, Omni said:

So no one should dare be critical of any other religion in this thread. Heaven forbid,

Oh by all means continue your pathetic attempts at pretending Christian fanatics equal Muslim fanatics. Just because there have been approximately ten thousand times more of the latter shouldn't deter you into your earnest proclamations of equality.

[The_Squid]

Just now, Argus said:

What's your point? Didn't all the Christian fanatics you list kill or try to kill other Christians?

You seem to have a highly selective outrage meter.

Where did I list Christian fanatics?

The point clearly sails right over your cranium...

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Where did I list Christian fanatics?

The point clearly sails right over your cranium...

I don't make any distinction between you and Impact. You post identical opinions on every subject anyway.

As for your point, perhaps if nobody understands it but you it's not much of a point.

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Oh by all means continue your pathetic attempts at pretending Christian fanatics equal Muslim fanatics. Just because there have been approximately ten thousand times more of the latter shouldn't deter you into your earnest proclamations of equality.

Only ten thousand? I thought you'd be more up into the multi millions.  

[drummindiver]

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:23 AM, DogOnPorch said:

As for Islam, it is Western Civilization's historic ENEMY. Not buddy...not pal...not good time gal.

Not on MLW where selectve history reigns supreme.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:24 AM, bcsapper said:

I thought he was dead.  I got him mixed up with Fred Phelps!  He was a Christian too.

Phelps etal are the reason I am suspicious of "a Christian values".

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM, ?Impact said:

That's an interesting statement. Where does that put those tens of millions of 'Catholics' who didn't follow the birth control policies of the pope for decades? I'm not taking about those who abandoned the church, but the tens of millions who still went to regular mass but used a condom/pill?

Sliding scale?  

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Altai said:

After my topic is complately derailed, I decided to derail this topic as response.

Atheists are massacring people in Aleppo. 

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index.html

You blatantly admit to purposely derailing a thread that I know a moderator is following and not word one. Not complaining cause Greg etal are sick of that.  Just observing.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 0:54 PM, Michael Hardner said:

If we admit that religion has something to do with it then what?

 

Can we stop blaming religion alone for these events ?  Do we have a compromise there in how such things are discussed?

When religion alone is not to blame we can

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

 

nm

47 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

They mostly kill other Muslims, don't they?

Timothy McVeigh mostly killed other Christian. 

Not sure if poe or facetious?

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

 

If the terrorists are stating their motive for their violence is religion - then, why shouldn't we think it is?

Because I don't listen to criminals and madmen.  If religion is THE cause, then we need to expel everyone of that religion.  Ok with you ?

[Michael Hardner]

So far I think maybe only Betsy is blaming religion alone.  Eyeball is blaming conservatism alone.

[Goddess]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

 

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

4 hours ago, betsy said:

 

If the terrorists are stating their motive for their violence is religion - then, why shouldn't we think it is?

Because I don't listen to criminals and madmen. 

It makes sense not to listen to criminals and madmen to a point....but if someone says they committed murder/bombings, etc. in the name of a religion, why would you not believe them?

I can understand that when someone kills their daughter/wife as an honour killing that "could" be a cultural thing, but isn't it also religious?

Some of the Christian killings noted above were not necessarily for religious reasons.  But it seems that all Muslim terrorists who are bombing and driving trucks into crowds are doing it in the name of Islam.  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because I don't listen to criminals and madmen.  If religion is THE cause, then we need to expel everyone of that religion.  Ok with you ?

I think you might have me on ignore, but I'll give it a shot.  That is exactly what those on here who seek to excuse Islam complain about the worst, so no, what we should do is expel everyone of that religion who would seek to impose their beliefs on anyone else. 

We should actually apply that criteria to anyone who is expellable.

[Michael Hardner]

So ... religion is not the only cause.

No I don't have you on ignore, I don't use that feature.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So ... religion is not the only cause.

No I don't have you on ignore, I don't use that feature.

Religion is not the only cause of what?  Every action taken can be described as being motivated by something.  In many cases, it's fairly obvious that religion is the cause.  Like I said earlier, twice, which was why I thought you had me on ignore,  if religion can said to be the cause of an act it means the act is carried out in the name of a religion, in defence of the religion, or for the purposes of meeting the requirements of the religion as laid out by the supreme authority.  Not so hard in the case of Catholicism, say, because there is one.  Harder in the case of Islam, but as the saying goes, I know it when I see it.

[Michael Hardner]

Of violence, insanity, terrorism.  Can we have a thread that effectively blames the religion when it's not caused by the religion ?

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of violence, insanity, terrorism.  Can we have a thread that effectively blames the religion when it's not caused by the religion ?

 

I don't know why you would.  I take particular care not to make that mistake.  It can sure get one flamed on here.

[WestCoastRunner]

Violence, insanity and terrorism is based on capturing power. 

 

Correction. It's motivated by the lust for power. 

Edited December 16, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[WestCoastRunner]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

She's probably safer in prison now, than risking being honour killed by the father.

Honour killing is domestic violence. Call it what it is. It's a disservice to the victims when you try and justify it.