This week in Islam

[Marocc]

17 hours ago, scribblet said:

Bull sh.t   they dont sentence non believers to death or same if they leave

That's not what was said. It was said if they had the power they would happily..

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Marocc said:

That's not what was said. It was said if they had the power they would happily..

Well, the conjecture was with regard to a lions' den.  The statement did say that:

people who express the slightest doubt that Jesus Christ was divine, the son of God, or born of a virgin are routinely attacked by Christians

 

Edited December 25, 2019 by bcsapper

[Marocc]

In China, they inject something into the prisoners every week, that causes them to forget much of everything; such as where they are and where they come from. The women also lose their periods.

[scribblet]

4 hours ago, Marocc said:

That's not what was said. It was said if they had the power they would happily..

Still Bull sh.t only a bigger pile.

[scribblet]

5 minutes ago, Marocc said:

In China, they inject something into the prisoners every week, that causes them to forget much of everything; such as where they are and where they come from. The women also lose their periods.

Which has what to do with the subject, Islam or Christianity. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Marocc said:

In China, they inject something into the prisoners every week, that causes them to forget much of everything; such as where they are and where they come from. The women also lose their periods.

Yeah, the Chinese are a right bunch of bastards.

Not all of them, of course.

[Argus]

22 hours ago, jacee said:

I note that people who express the slightest doubt that Jesus Christ was divine, the son of God, or born of a virgin are routinely attacked by Christians

Lie.

22 hours ago, jacee said:

who, if they had the power, would happily throw all of us nonbelievers in the lions' den.

One can cite PEW research and their polls of Muslims who support the death penalty for blaspheme, apostasy and adultery. Where is your equivilient to support your statement of what Christians would do 'if they had the power'.

Note, btw, that they've had the power for quite some time now and don't seem to have used it since the inquisitions.

[Argus]

15 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah right.  Not much point in answering a comment comparing the Muslim reaction to blasphemy to a Christian reaction to blasphemy.  Your bias is made blatantly obvious when you are willing to make stuff up like that.  I have to admit, I do wonder how such a nonsensical bias comes about.

White liberals are the only people known to have out-group loyalty instead of in-group loyalty. I would suggest that as a basis for explanation.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Marocc said:

That's not what was said. It was said if they had the power they would happily..

They have had the power for centuries.

[Argus]

On this Christmas, give a thought to the persecuted Christians in the Muslim world, where Christmas is legally banned in some countries.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2019/april/global-persecution-report-christians-are-the-most-persecuted-and-its-accelerating

[Marocc]

44 minutes ago, Argus said:

On this Christmas, give a thought to the persecuted Christians in the Muslim world, where Christmas is legally banned in some countries.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2019/april/global-persecution-report-christians-are-the-most-persecuted-and-its-accelerating

How can it be banned? It's just a Christian holiday. Are they prevented from praying before bed, from visiting relatives or from giving to the needy?

5 hours ago, Argus said:

They have had the power for centuries.

Christians have no power anywhere as far as I've heard.

5 hours ago, scribblet said:

Which has what to do with the subject, Islam or Christianity. 

The topic. Don't you read the news? With your continuous worry over Islam, how can you have missed this?

[Marocc]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

Where is your equivilient to support your statement of what Christians would do 'if they had the power'.

How could such an equivalent exist when they don't have the power?

[Argus]

16 hours ago, Marocc said:

How could such an equivalent exist when they don't have the power?

Christian countries could ban Islam today if they wanted to. Similar to how Saudi Arabia has banned Christianity.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Argus

[eyeball]

On 12/24/2019 at 10:20 AM, scribblet said:

Bull sh.t   they dont sentence non believers to death or same if they leave, among other barbaric Islamic cultures

They could revert to old barbaric forms of Christianity at any time.  Why do people think Christians have been permanently immunized against barbarity? Look at what destabilizing the Muslim world has wrought, it could happen to anyone and there's little reason to believe the reaction would be any different. People are still people after all.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Christian countries could ban Islam today if they wanted to. Similar to how Saudi Arabia has banned Christianity.

Between 2007 and 2017, Pew Research found that State imposed restructions on religion has increased, aling with State sponsored favoritism of certain religions.  These increases apply mainly to non-Islamic states, since Islamic states already scored highly on restrictions and favoritism.  The restricted/favored religions include a variety of religions and it seems that only North Korea "plays fair" by banning any religious practice.  

As usual, Pew provides a balanced and nuanced discussion - the article is well worth reading, imo, to get a feel for the way in which State-sponsored religious persecution is increasing around the world.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They could revert to old barbaric forms of Christianity at any time.  Why do people think Christians have been permanently immunized against barbarity? Look at what destabilizing the Muslim world has wrought, it could happen to anyone and there's little reason to believe the reaction would be any different. People are still people after all.

They certainly could.   If they do, we must make sure to describe their primitive, barbaric behaviour accurately, but ensure we temper our disgust and contempt with the assertion that our revulsion is not held for all of them.

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

They certainly could.   If they do, we must make sure to describe their primitive, barbaric behaviour accurately, but ensure we temper our disgust and contempt with the assertion that our revulsion is not held for all of them.

But it's all conjecture. Given the power that Christian nations have, they don't abuse it much.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

But it's all conjecture. Given the power that Christian nations have, they don't abuse it much.

True, but while I was a Boy Scout for only one week, back in the sixties, the whole "Be Prepared" thing really took.

Edited December 26, 2019 by bcsapper

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They could revert to old barbaric forms of Christianity at any time.  Why do people think Christians have been permanently immunized against barbarity? Look at what destabilizing the Muslim world has wrought, it could happen to anyone and there's little reason to believe the reaction would be any different. People are still people after all.

Matt Shea, a GOP lawyer elected to caucus in Wahington Statestate had a vision ..." to create a 51st state called Liberty and distributed to his closest followers a “Biblical Basis for War” document that calls for the “surrender” of those who favor abortion rights, same-sex marriage, “idolatry” and communism. “If they do not yield — kill all males,” it said."

It's easy to write him off as a crackpot, I suppose, but there are more than a few people in the States who believe as he does - that the Bible should be the basis of law in the States and that Christianity be imposed on everyone as the State religion.  There is even a 116 page action plan currently being implemented called Project Blitz.

If enough extremists like Matt Shea get together with less violent groups like that behind Project Blitz, would the result look much different than ISIS in the Middle East?  In the West, our laws and institutions are strong enough to withstand these kinds of challenges, but would that be true if we we were de-stabilized in some way, perhaps through climate change?

Christianity, given power, is no different than Islam, given power.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

True, but while I was only a Boy Scout for one week, back in the sixties, the whole "Be Prepared" thing really took.

 

Is there a site that has Christianity's weekly death toll vs non-Christians? We know Islam has one (Religion of Peace).

It would be an interesting statistic to see. Surely there must be some examples of Christians murdering swaths of people for not being Christian.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Is there a site that has Christianity's weekly death toll vs non-Christians? We know Islam has one (Religion of Peace).

It would be an interesting statistic to see. Surely there must be some examples of Christians murdering swaths of people for not being Christian.

Well, from what I read here, the only reason Christians are not murdering blasphemers and apostates as we speak is because they don't actually have to power to do so.

Now there's some freaky conjecture for you...

Edited December 26, 2019 by bcsapper

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Christianity, given power, is no different than Islam, given power.

Same with all the Muslims who are not currently on my barbaric list?  Is it simply because they don't have the power? 

All those people in the "Not All of Them" bracket.  Is the power to murder based on their holy book all that is missing?

[OftenWrong]

 

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Is there a site that has Christianity's weekly death toll vs non-Christians? We know Islam has one (Religion of Peace).

It would be an interesting statistic to see. Surely there must be some examples of Christians murdering swaths of people for not being Christian.

I never heard of such a thing. There are persecutions in some areas, African nations seem to come to mind. But they are already barbarous.

The barbarous culture is not implicit in Christianity, more like the opposite. The struggle has always been the west against barbarism, whether it be Attila the Hun, the Ottoman Turks, or today's modern Islamists. The west endures and it is the only hope for the future. Not perfect, but the best there is, and we must protect it... as our forefathers did...

Edited December 26, 2019 by OftenWrong
fixed

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

True, but while I was a Boy Scout for only one week, back in the sixties, the whole "Be Prepared" thing really took.

I was a wolf cub. Weirdest experience ever

[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well, from what I read here, the only reason Christains are not murdering blasphemers and apostates as we spaek is because they don't actually have to power to do so.

Now there's some freaky conjecture for you...

 

Jesus...any divinity aside...had a radical message for the time.

"Hey....let's try NOT putting everybody you disagree with up on a cross."

 It had mixed reviews at the time...but gradually took hold. But it was folks after Jesus that took liberty with his revolutionary message and applied it wrongly to things like witches.

"Love thy neighbor means witches too." #WWJD