This week in Islam

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, scribblet said:

I don't believe I have misrepresented anything you have said.. 

"you may think it's okay for masses of people to pray in the streets blocking traffic"

I said nothing of the sort.  Go ahead and spread falsehoods about others.  You're not interested in real discussion.

[Goddess]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

"you may think it's okay for masses of people to pray in the streets blocking traffic"

I said nothing of the sort.  

Actually you didn't say that.  That's why I was questioning your responses, too.  You just immediately started with name-calling me for not agreeing with Muslims blocking the streets for prayers, so my understanding, like Scribblet's was that you AGREE with them being allowed to do so.

So......when myself or Scribblet or Argus or Dog dont' agree with something Muslims are doing, we're racist trolls.  But if you disagree with what they're doing, you're being perfectly reasonable and intelligent and everyone else is a retard?

(BTW - you may want to re-think the use of that particular insult - RETARD.  People with handicapped children really and truly resent that word being thrown around.  Perhaps you're not as intelligent and politically correct as you think you are.)

[scribblet]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"you may think it's okay for masses of people to pray in the streets blocking traffic"

I said nothing of the sort.  Go ahead and spread falsehoods about others.  You're not interested in real discussion.

You are not interested in anything that doesn't fit your own narrative, just because your have an inflated high esteem of yourself and think that you are God's gift to forums doesn't mean other opinions don't count.   And....  neither does my conce about what is happening translate into I hate muslims....  

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. I would like to take some time to slow down immigration, discuss economic and service level issues and reorganize our politics around unity.  That would involve officially squelching the "I hate brown people types" for good and forever.  They know who they are.

You cannot have freedom of speech while squelching the views with which you disagree (however unpleasant). I find conversation much easier with the use of an ignore list, though unfortunately others do insist on replying to voices I have ignored, which causes me to have to see them anyway.  Such is life.  I started a club in part for this reason. For example, I can actually discuss American politics without trolls!

Edited December 28, 2018 by Argus

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please avoid making your discussions personal.  

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

You cannot have freedom of speech while squelching the views with which you disagree (however unpleasant).  

I agree.

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, Goddess said:

 You just immediately started with name-calling me for ....

I don't call individuals retarded, just posts.  Same with trolling posts.

This is how the conversation goes with troll posts (not troll people):

Troll post:"What's with these foreigners blocking the streets !  Why the politically correct surely agree with this !"

Response:"People shouldn't block the streets, and it has nothing to do with foreigners"

Troll post:(posters fanning themselves with a hand fan)"I do believe you just called me a racist !  I was only talking about traffic !"

Like traffic is an issue worthy of posts on here.  Anyway, carry on with your concerns about traffic. 

[scribblet]

Making light of a serious situation in India and France as examples, is disingenuous at best and ignoring reality which is simply a diversion, as is calling posts ‘trolling’ because one doesn’t like them .    In fact, boiling it down to simply a traffic problem is simply trolling.  

India takes it seriously because it’s giving the finger to Hindus which could cause riots and serious civil unrest.  Paris already has a law banning street prayers passed in 2011 but even though there have been protests by the public and politicians against mass public prayers authorities give them a pass (so far) – why – because they too are afraid of civil disobedience and riots.     Islam is not adapting to the host countries where as it grows they show their disdain for others by showing weekly displays of Islamic power and intimidation.  

It is also happening in the U.K. more frequently where the increasingly large numbers praying in the streets care causing health and safety issues, major disruptions and nuisance to everyone living or visiting in the area.   But go ahead, brush it off as simply a traffic problem. 

France also bans public funding of places of religious worship separating church and state but the increasing problem with public prayers is testing the secular State. 

[Goddess]

52 minutes ago, scribblet said:

It is also happening in the U.K. more frequently where the increasingly large numbers praying in the streets care causing health and safety issues, major disruptions and nuisance to everyone living or visiting in the area. 

There is also an issue with slaughtering animals in the streets, common in Muslim countries but not acceptable in Western lands.  Egypt tries to crack down on it, but they ignore their own government, so doubtful they will have much respect for any host country.

http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/2/56308/Why-people-will-never-obey-government-stop-slaughtering-in-streets

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7074173/eid-al-adha-2018-animal-sacrifice-cows-beheaded/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709345/Muslims-urged-not-to-SLAUGHTER-ANIMALS-in-the-streets-of-France-at-Eid-al-Adha

https://cutacut.com/2018/08/22/is-pakistan-the-only-muslim-country-that-slaughters-animals-on-the-streets-on-eid-ul-azha/

I recently met people from Russia and Switzerland and as we were talking about our respective countries, the Swiss guy commented about their problems with Muslims - they steal sheep from farmers and petting zoos, cut their heads off, take the bodies and leave the severed heads behind.  He also talked about how difficult it is because the Swiss are very open and tolerant but they feel the Muslims are pushing this tolerance past the limits of what is acceptable.  He was generally happy with how the Swiss government handles troublemakers - they deport problem people mush quicker and more often than we do.  He was also happy with how their government listens to the people and that the Swiss population has much more say in what happens in their country than we do.

But again, this is probably more of a "traffic issue" to some.

[dialamah]

33 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Egypt tries to crack down on it

Interesting.  My sister's husband and his brother used to enjoy those festivals, but as they've come to know and love the street dogs my sister has rescued, they have found themselves unable to attend.  I only mention this as an example of how people's minds can be changed, even Muslim minds living in an Islamic country.

Swiss guy commented about their problems with Muslims - they steal sheep from farmers and petting zoos, cut their heads off, take the bodies and leave the severed heads behind

Interesting and I agree that such events should not be tolerated in Canada.

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

this is probably more of a "traffic issue" to some.

I believe the issue us that you simply "assumed" how people who don't share your views on Muslims would react to the news stories posted by scribblet.  You didn't bother to find out, you just went ahead and condemned them. 

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 

I believe the issue us that you simply "assumed" how people who don't share your views on Muslims would react to the news stories posted by scribblet.  You didn't bother to find out, you just went ahead and condemned them. 

Well, it's a tactic that seems to work well for you - you're constantly posting assumptions about how the some of us will react before we even have a chance.  I learned from the best!  

(It's really annoying, isn't it, Dia?!?)

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, it's a tactic that seems to work well for you - you're constantly posting assumptions about how the some of us will react before we even have a chance.  I learned from the best!  

(It's really annoying, isn't it, Dia?!?)

You, Argus and DoP have predictably responded to anything about moderate or even progressive Muslims with denial and derision.  You three have constantly made accusations about what centrists or moderates think or don't think or believe, ignoring every instance where they've decried Islamic terrorism, expressed concern over oppression of women, or especially in MH's case, attempted to find a middle ground in the discussion of immigration.  You three are predictable in ignoring what people say in favor of presenting their positions in as unreasonable a way as possible.  The assumptions I make about you and DoP are pretty spot on.  Argus is sometimes more moderate than I expect.

I inderstand how much you hate having your flawed thinking pointed out, but too bad.  You don't like it, start posting reasonably. 

[Goddess]

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You, Argus and DoP have predictably responded to anything about moderate or even progressive Muslims with denial and derision.  

I inderstand how much you hate having your flawed thinking pointed out, but too bad.  You don't like it, start posting reasonably. 

Without getting into the other 2 - I certainly have not responded with only denial and derision.  I have read every single link you provided, I have paid attention to your constant portrayal of your sister as the typical Muslim, I have agreed with you when I could, I have acknowledged when you have made a good point.  You however are the one who denies there is any problems in Islam.  Oh yes, if pushed you will sandwich a generic comment like "Yes, it's terrible when people do these things." between  denying and excusing what is clearly more of a problem in Islam and in Islamic countries than in other countries, and name-calling/posting moral judgements about people's character based on some comments on a particular subject on an internet discussion forum!  You been popping into topics spewing venom to try to "bait" other posters, just so you can get your persecution rocks off and appear morally superior.

Just because a person feels  immigration is not working well in Canada, and has concerns about Islamic extremism (I get that this is not a concern for you, but it is to a lot of people) and doesn't view Islam as the religion of peace that you'd like to see promoted doesn't make them bad people who should be written off.  You make all kinds of excuses for Muslims - terrorists are just mentally ill, the imam who prayed for Islamic countries to be free of the filth of the Jews - well, he didn't mean it that way, you deny that women are being raped in great numbers in Sweden, you deny the assimilation problems and that there are no-go zones, you basically deny everything going on in Islam - we all know there is misogyny int he world, we all know girls are being mutilated and married off before they are even teens, we all know women are beaten by their husbands we all know this happens in all societies.  Islam however, has cornered the market on all of it - it isn't just ONE issue - they have adopted everything bad they encountered in their world conquest and it's all coming to a head now, as they clash with the rest of the world.

I really dont' understand why - given what's happening in the world of Islam right now - you insist on shutting down any discussion of it.

Edited December 28, 2018 by Goddess

[Argus]

19 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You, Argus and DoP have predictably responded to anything about moderate or even progressive Muslims with denial and derision. 

Because you use isolated examples which are very much NOT indicative of the actual values and beliefs of the world's Muslims. I'll point out there have been a hundred thousand Islamic terrorist attacks in the last twenty years and you'll post a cite of a nice Muslim who collects cats and bakes brownies for the neighbour's kids as if that is some sort of logical rebuttal.

 

[GostHacked]

Wise man say 'he who prays in street, is run over by car'.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Wise man say 'he who prays in street, is run over by car'.

 

Yet it's followers of Islam that conduct Jihad by Truck.

[GostHacked]

13 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Yet it's followers of Islam that conduct Jihad by Truck.

As long as they are running over other Muslims, that might be fine. Right?

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

As long as they are running over other Muslims, that might be fine. Right?

 

Do they?

[eyeball]

On 12/27/2018 at 2:36 PM, scribblet said:

The issue is a huge problem in Europe, not in Canada yet because we don't have the demographics

Another thing that happened in Islam this week is that the planet kept warming up, Europe also has a lot more geography against it - it is a destination spread out East and West parallel to an equally vast area from which people are coming. The cultural/religious/historical baggage exacerbating relations between these regions and peoples is bad enough but just wait this is coupled with the inevitability of climate change and Europe is basically transformed forever by millions upon millions of human beings fleeing even more inhospitable climes.

We'll have our own geographic/environmental time bomb waiting to go off of course but people fleeing our way will mostly be other immigrants like ourselves and with nowhere near the exacerbating baggage and blow back Europe has to deal with.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of Europeans heading this way too.

All of this could have been mitigated and perhaps even prevented decades ago but recall how you and your ilk were often very busy encouraging the economic and geopolitical things that  have led to the dark dystopian future opening up in front of you.  As always you haven't seen anything yet. 

[GostHacked]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Another thing that happened in Islam this week is that the planet kept warming up, Europe also has a lot more geography against it - it is a destination spread out East and West parallel to an equally vast area from which people are coming. The cultural/religious/historical baggage exacerbating relations between these regions and peoples is bad enough but just wait this is coupled with the inevitability of climate change and Europe is basically transformed forever by millions upon millions of human beings fleeing even more inhospitable climes.

We'll have our own geographic/environmental time bomb waiting to go off of course but people fleeing our way will mostly be other immigrants like ourselves and with nowhere near the exacerbating baggage and blow back Europe has to deal with.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of Europeans heading this way too.

All of this could have been mitigated and perhaps even prevented decades ago but recall how you and your ilk were often very busy encouraging the economic and geopolitical things that  have led to the dark dystopian future opening up in front of you.  As always you haven't seen anything yet. 

 

Pissed of Muslims displaced by our war on terror are now coming here to make life difficult for us. Yeah, no one saw that coming... 

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

 

Pissed of Muslims displaced by our war on terror are now coming here to make life difficult for us. Yeah, no one saw that coming... 

Northern English teenage girls sure didn't see it coming.

I wonder if they knew they were being abused because of the war on terror.

Well, if they did, at least they knew they deserved it, eh?  That's gotta make them feel better about it.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Pissed of Muslims displaced by our war on terror are now coming here to make life difficult for us. Yeah, no one saw that coming... 

Well you did have to close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and scream la la la at the top of your lungs.  These people put a lot of effort into being as ignorant as they are. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Northern English teenage girls sure didn't see it coming.

They weren't born at the time things were being set in motion.

What's your excuse?

 

[Guest]

Just now, eyeball said:

They weren't born at the time things were being set in motion.

What's your excuse?

 

I don't need an excuse.  What's your point exactly?  Are you saying that people ought to expect to suffer because of what others have done?  Sounds like you would love Islamophobia.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't need an excuse.  What's your point exactly?  Are you saying that people ought to expect to suffer because of what others have done?  Sounds like you would love Islamophobia.

I'm saying you're still being deliberately ignorant.

You do that a lot.