This week in Islam

[scribblet]

That is sad....   

Meanwhile, in India they are doing something about mass prayers in public places, something that happens a lot in the U.K. and Europe as they often block streets to do this.   Taking over public places and blocking streets to pray publicly is a form of intimidation and a message that Islam is dominant.  

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171119/france-to-prevent-muslim-street-prayers-in-paris-suburb/ Paris is thinking about it and praying on the street is banned in Tunisia. 

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/no-namaz-in-parks-up-police-notice-to-noida-companies-muslim-employees-1416902-2018-12-25

he Uttar Pradesh Police has asked companies and offices in Noida's industrial hub to ensure that their employees don't offer namaz in open public spaces, including parks.

According to a notice issued by the Sector 58 police station, companies located in the industrial area will be held responsible, if Muslim employees are found offering namaz in open public spaces. They have been asked to offer Friday prayers during work hours in mosques, idgahs or inside the premises of the company.

[Goddess]

On 12/26/2018 at 7:55 AM, scribblet said:

That is sad....   

Meanwhile, in India they are doing something about mass prayers in public places, something that happens a lot in the U.K. and Europe as they often block streets to do this.   Taking over public places and blocking streets to pray publicly is a form of intimidation and a message that Islam is dominant.  

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171119/france-to-prevent-muslim-street-prayers-in-paris-suburb/ Paris is thinking about it and praying on the street is banned in Tunisia. 

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/no-namaz-in-parks-up-police-notice-to-noida-companies-muslim-employees-1416902-2018-12-25

he Uttar Pradesh Police has asked companies and offices in Noida's industrial hub to ensure that their employees don't offer namaz in open public spaces, including parks.

According to a notice issued by the Sector 58 police station, companies located in the industrial area will be held responsible, if Muslim employees are found offering namaz in open public spaces. They have been asked to offer Friday prayers during work hours in mosques, idgahs or inside the premises of the company.

The politically correct response to this is "It's their religious right to do so" and "F*@%K everyone else, Islam must be accommodated."

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The politically correct response to this is "It's their religious right to do so" and "F*@%K everyone else, Islam must be accommodated."

Thanks for strawmanning the response.  Let's recap: time to disallow praying in public for one religion.

And opposing that discrimination is saying 'f*** everyone'.

Ignorance in post form.

[Goddess]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thanks for strawmanning the response.  Let's recap: time to disallow praying in public for one religion.

Not sure what you're saying here?  

Are you saying, Blocking public streets for prayer should not be allowed or are you saying that it would be wrong to ban public praying that blocks the streets because it would really only be a ban for one religion - which in your view would be wrong?

Are you saying that there are no people who take the view that it is Islam's religious right to block the streets for prayer and that religious accommodation is of utmost importance in a free society?  Because it appears that a large number of people DO believe that, otherwise it would not be controversial or even be discussed in articles or even happening, for that matter.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thanks for strawmanning the response.  Let's recap: time to disallow praying in public for one religion.

And opposing that discrimination is saying 'f*** everyone'.

Ignorance in post form.

These newcomers have strange and annoying, foreign customs they bring to this land where they have never been seen before. If we oppose those customs we are therefore targeting these newcomers! We can't have that! Newcomers must be permitted to transplant their annoying customs here without regard to how disruptive they are!

How progressive of you...

[Michael Hardner]

30 minutes ago, Argus said:

These newcomers have strange and annoying, foreign customs they bring to this land where they have never been seen before. If we oppose those customs we are therefore targeting these newcomers! We can't have that! Newcomers must be permitted to transplant their annoying customs here without regard to how disruptive they are!

How progressive of you...

How about Canadians?  Also good for you for taking responsibility for your strawmanning.  Oops.

[Michael Hardner]

Also, why don't you let bullshit posts fall in their own?  Do you need to step in when a conservative post is retarded?  I don't do that for retarded liberal posts.

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not sure what you're saying here?  

Are you saying, Blocking public streets for prayer should not be allowed or are you saying that it would be wrong to ban public praying that blocks the streets because it would really only be a ban for one religion - which in your view would be wrong?

Are you saying that there are no people who take the view that it is Islam's religious right to block the streets for prayer and that religious accommodation is of utmost importance in a free society?   

If the issue is blocking the street then say so.  Don't muddy the water to cause shit.  These issues need serious discussion.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

These issues need serious discussion.

Well, then that's the problem - some people think the issue of blocking city streets for all citizens multiple times a day for religious reasons needs "serious discussion".

For others, it's just common sense that allowing this is ridiculous.

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, then that's the problem - some people think the issue of blocking city streets for all citizens multiple times a day for religious reasons needs "serious discussion".

For others, it's just common sense that allowing this is ridiculous.

Ok, but why do people need to troll others rather than just complain about the obvious problem.

Answer: because they're Russian boots and dupes.

My response will be to schedule Muslim prayers of anyone who trolls in the way you have, moving forward.

Allah Retardbar

[Goddess]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, but why do people need to troll others rather than just complain about the obvious problem.

Answer: because they're Russian boots and dupes.

My response will be to schedule Muslim prayers of anyone who trolls in the way you have, moving forward.

Allah Retardbar

 

That's not trolling.  And neither am I a Russian spy or boot (did you mean "bot"??? I have no idea what insult you're trying to put forth here.) or dupe or whatever other name you want to call me.

And this sentence makes no sense:  

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My response will be to schedule Muslim prayers of anyone who trolls in the way you have, moving forward.

 

 

 

I'm a troll who is big into Muslim prayers blocking the streets and you believe my prayers should be scheduled?  WTF

Edited December 27, 2018 by Goddess

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm a troll who is big into Muslim prayers blocking the streets and you believe my prayers should be scheduled?  WTF

Ok, thanks.

Yes it is bot not boot.  Stupid autocorrect.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

How about Canadians?  Also good for you for taking responsibility for your strawmanning.  Oops.

How about Canadians? Nobody here prays in the streets. You think if Catholics or Baptists weren't regularly blocking the streets to pray people wouldn't be annoyed? I would be! So why should Muslims be exempted to that annoyance?

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

 if Catholics or Baptists weren't regularly blocking the streets to pray people wouldn't be annoyed? I would be! So why should Muslims be exempted to that annoyance?

They're not.  That's my point.  There's no need to make this into a disunifying issue unless you are a troll.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Also, why don't you let bullshit posts fall in their own?  Do you need to step in when a conservative post is retarded?  I don't do that for retarded liberal posts.

I'm not responding to anyone's post but yours. Your post appears to show disdain that people are complaining about crowds of Muslims praying in the streets, and that laws are being called for against such behaviour. Why? Because it singles out Muslims? Well, sure, but they're the only ones bloody doing it!

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

They're not.  That's my point.  There's no need to make this into a disunifying issue unless you are a troll.

Whether you like it or not growing numbers of Canadians are feeling uncomfortable at the growing number of immigrants.  This evidences itself in anger and frustration, and lashing out at, among others, those same immigrants whenever their behaviour shows its cultural roots in other lands. You might think it's silly to fixate on how other countries have this 'issue' of masses of Muslims taking over streets to pray since that's not done here. Others see it as what happens when you're too accommodating as the numbers of Muslims rise - as a warning, so to speak, that we need to do something to prevent that.

Little things grow in importance as people's frustration rises and their suspicion of 'foreigners' grows into active dislike.

The obvious thing to do about this is to lower the amount of immigration to allow things to settle down and the current batch to assimilate. Instead the government is raising immigration levels further.

[scribblet]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

They're not.  That's my point.  There's no need to make this into a disunifying issue unless you are a troll.

Trolls are in the eye of the beholder or something assigned to posts someone disagrees with.  Not only disagrees with but apparently has an innate sense of superiority because not only does the poster disagree but thinks posters with whom he disagrees are 'retarded', among other issues he has.  We all have a right to post here as long as we don't break the rules which include thinly veiled name calling. 

The issue is a huge problem in Europe, not in Canada yet because we don't have the demographics, you may think it's okay for masses of people to pray in the streets blocking traffic etc. and take over public spaces en masse, the gov'ts don't, and rightly so.   This doesn't apply just to Muslims but it's primarily Muslims who are doing it.  

IMO no other religion is accommodated to the extent that Islam is, why is that, probably out of fear, for the same reason U.K. et al will not offer asylum to the young woman in Pakistan,   something which our leaders should be ashamed of.  

Islam is a unique in part because of it's aggressive and violent doctrines, there is no other major religion that requires the death penalty for criticizing or mocking its founder and its teachings. Praying enmasse in a public place is part of a show of dominance, that they can assert their authority and do as they wish anytime.

Some time ago in the U.K. there was a huge media outcry after Polish Catholics held a huge public prayer event which the BBC deemed 'controversial' yet they are not concerned when 140,000 Muslims pray in a Birmingham park  because, you know, it could be deemed racist or whatever.   It's the double standards and the continual bending to Islam's demands that cause tensions and problems, problems when one religion continually asserts itself with demands which are usually met.   

Pray to whatever you want to, but do it in private and that includes Toronto City Hall which hosted an Islamic religions ceremony  but the S.C. did rule there's no place for prayer in public institutions...   guess Islam in excluded.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

I'm not responding to anyone's post but yours.  

But I'm not posting to you.  I'm responding to another's poorly-thought-out posts that you seem compelled to defend.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

1. Whether you like it or not growing numbers of Canadians are feeling uncomfortable at the growing number of immigrants.  T 

2. Little things grow in importance as people's frustration rises and their suspicion of 'foreigners' grows into active dislike.

3.  The obvious thing to do about this is to lower the amount of immigration to allow things to settle down and the current batch to assimilate. 

1. There's a degree to which such things should be taken seriously.  "I don't like foreigners" is someone's personal issue that shouldn't need to be reflected in policies.

2. Yes, and you do express valid posts which warrant attention.  But you are about the only one.  There are more Russian bots than Arguses.

3. I would like to take some time to slow down immigration, discuss economic and service level issues and reorganize our politics around unity.  That would involve officially squelching the "I hate brown people types" for good and forever.  They know who they are.

 

[scribblet]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But I'm not posting to you.  I'm responding to another's poorly-thought-out posts that you seem compelled to defend.

Here go again, it's your opinion only that another's posts are 'poorly thought out', you are not the only one on here with an opinion or the right to say it.  I suggest you stick to the issues rather than inferring or actually stating that you are the only one with a valid opinion. 

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, scribblet said:

1. Trolls are in the eye of the beholder or something assigned to posts someone disagrees with.   

2. The issue is a huge problem in Europe,...

3.   you may think it's okay for masses of people to pray in the streets blocking traffic

4. Islam is a unique in part because of it's aggressive and violent doctrines

1. You have never seen a troll who agrees with you ?  Hmmm.  Don't you think that's a little curious.

2. I don't think that's clear.  Based on what ?  Trolls.

3. I already said it's not.  Stop trolling.

4. There's no way to establish Islam as a cause of violence and we have had extensive posts where people are unable to post anything but observations on this... not causative reasons.

Anyway, your post is already off-base because you misrepresented my position and posted a falsehood so I'm going to move on from you.

[scribblet]

I should've added this to the first post from Tarek Fatah

About time! Police in India (UP) crackdown on Islamic congregations in parks. Muslims told to pray in mosques or inside their offices, not on roads and parks. IMHO this usurping of the public space is mischievous; it’s showing one’s middle finger to Hindus

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, scribblet said:

1.  it's your opinion only that another's posts are 'poorly thought out',

2. you are not the only one on here with an opinion or the right to say it. 

3. I suggest you stick to the issues rather than inferring or actually stating that you are the only one with a valid opinion. 

1. Yes.  I have an opinion.  You don't ?

2. I don't defend trolls who are left-of-centre.  One who does prefers trolls over intelligent posts IMO.

3. I actually am responding to issues, not jumping in and defending people like this is tag-team sports.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, scribblet said:

I should've added this to the first post from Tarek Fatah 

No, you really shouldn't have.

[scribblet]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

1. You have never seen a troll who agrees with you ?  Hmmm.  Don't you think that's a little curious.

2. I don't think that's clear.  Based on what ?  Trolls.

3. I already said it's not.  Stop trolling.

4. There's no way to establish Islam as a cause of violence and we have had extensive posts where people are unable to post anything but observations on this... not causative reasons.

Anyway, your post is already off-base because you misrepresented my position and posted a falsehood so I'm going to move on from you.

I don't believe I have misrepresented anything you have said...  and no one is trolling, that's just calling names in order to derail a disicussion.