This week in Islam

[Goddess]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/854476/parsons-green-explosion-tube-train-london-terror/amp

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[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/854476/parsons-green-explosion-tube-train-london-terror/amp

More from London 

 

To be fair to dialamah, there is no confirmation yet that this was an Islamic terror attack.

But who yah gonna call???

That's right.

[Goddess]

I think the article says it is a confirmed terror attack.

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Goddess said:

I think the article says it is a confirmed terror attack.

 

 

But...you know...there's a remote chance it was IRA or something similar. 

 

[GostHacked]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

To be fair to dialamah, there is no confirmation yet that this was an Islamic terror attack.

But who yah gonna call???

That's right.

Good thing you never jump to conclusions that are wrong.

[Argus]

It's all becoming routine. The media hardly covered this from Paris at all today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4886906/Knifeman-attacks-French-soldier-Paris.html?ITO=1490

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

It's all becoming routine.

Kind of like black-on-black crime in Chicago.  At a fraction of the scale though.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Good thing you never jump to conclusions that are wrong.

 

You're free to list them all...tick tock.

[GostHacked]

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to list them all...tick tock.

Yeah I've seen the show, take it down about 20% there.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Yeah I've seen the show, take it down about 20% there.

 

Tick tock...

[Bonam]

I wonder what is the required frequency/scale of terrorist attacks before Western societies start doing something about it. I get the feeling most Western politicians would be ok with a few thousand casualties per year in their countries. They might even like it, it gives them the needed excuse to keep increasing government power and surveillance. How many must die before governments are forced to do something real to address the issue? 

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Bonam said:

How many must die before governments are forced to do something real to address the issue? 

Like it or not, there is such a thing as acceptable losses.  You are, in the end, a number to government.  If you have an alternative to that, I would like to hear it because I think the present system is inhuman.  On the other hand, democracy can't support engagement in risk assessment and complex topics...

[Bonam]

On 9/17/2017 at 6:54 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Like it or not, there is such a thing as acceptable losses.  You are, in the end, a number to government.  If you have an alternative to that, I would like to hear it because I think the present system is inhuman.  On the other hand, democracy can't support engagement in risk assessment and complex topics...

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Bonam said:

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

[Bonam]

Just now, Argus said:

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Bonam said:

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million? 

I'm sure all of those numbers are too high.  A single stabbing will make international news now, if they suspect it's a terrorist behind it that is.

[Goddess]

41 minutes ago, Bonam said:

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

Whoever wants to sacrifice a loved one to the god of diversity and multiculturalism, raise your hand now.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Bonam said:

"Diversity" and "multiculturalism" of course. 

I don't consider either of those to be a gain. And certainly not worth deaths.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Acceptable loses implies a gain. What is our gain to offset these losses?

That's a different question.  The government sees a gain, of course, or they wouldn't do it.

[Bonam]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure all of those numbers are too high.  A single stabbing will make international news now, if they suspect it's a terrorist behind it that is.

I wasn't asking what number would make the news. I was asking what number would make things change. Terrorist attacks are about a weekly occurrence now. When they happen, yeah, we see them on the news, and then we go on with the status quo. So what number would it take for people to no longer accept the status quo? 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Bonam said:

I wasn't asking what number would make the news. I was asking what number would make things change.

Surely you see that these are related ?

1 minute ago, Bonam said:

Terrorist attacks are about a weekly occurrence now. When they happen, yeah, we see them on the news, and then we go on with the status quo.

Ok, well let's see.

[Bonam]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

I don't consider either of those to be a gain. And certainly not worth deaths.

Our democratically elected overlords disagree. 

[Argus]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's a different question.  The government sees a gain, of course, or they wouldn't do it.

No, the politicians see a political gain in that they believe unsophisticated people will vote for them when they come in out of gratitude. That does not suggest any gain for society.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

No, the politicians see a political gain in that they believe unsophisticated people will vote for them when they come in out of gratitude. That does not suggest any gain for society.

So Muslims are so deeply committed to their conservative social values that they cannot be trusted not to impose them on the rest of us, but yet mere gratitude has them working against their own plan to create a more socially conservative society?

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

So Muslims are so deeply committed to their conservative social values that they cannot be trusted not to impose them on the rest of us, but yet mere gratitude has them working against their own plan to create a more socially conservative society?

I never suggested Muslims have a 'plan' to create anything. Muslims generally vote Liberal, and I think that is largely because the Liberals are so open to and supportive of Islam and of Muslim immigration, whereas the Conservatives were, to their way of thinking, way to chummy with Jews and Israel.