Shady Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 Some versions say rape... The KJV version was changed to "seduce".... Of course it is open to interpretation.... now... Originally, these things were very literal. People were stoned to death for a myriad of things... women probably had to marry their rapists... no one suffered witches to live. When society changes for the better, it drags the church along with it and suddenly things are open to interpretation that previously weren't. I'll ask again. Where is what you're saying in Vatican II? That's the doctrine that the Catholic Church follows. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Quote
The_Squid Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) I'll ask again. Where is what you're saying in Vatican II? That's the doctrine that the Catholic Church follows. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Already answered... Vatican II claims the Old Testament is still sacred. What do they say about marrying your rapist? Probably nothing. Apparently, those passages are open to interpretation, like much of the, divinely inspired (yet surprisingly vague) bible. Edited March 14, 2013 by The_Squid Quote
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 I think Sponge Pope Big Hat is fantastic. Quote
Guest Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 Unless he was among those who did actual cover-ups, why woud he "own the sins of others?" He can take steps though to repair the damage, and to ensure that offending priests get booted out to protect not only would-be victims, but also the church. Then of course, it would be his sins too. I guess the cover up would continue. There was a priest sentenced to 11 years today, in Canada. Quote
betsy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Then of course, it would be his sins too. I guess the cover up would continue. There was a priest sentenced to 11 years today, in Canada. I don't follow. If he was involved or in favor of cover ups is one thing (I am not comfortable in saying that he sinned - since I wouldn't know the reasons behind such actions - only God can really judge what is sinful to Him). However, I could say that he would then be similar to those who'd committed crimes dictated by the law of the land. If there is no reason to suggest that he was in favor of any cover ups.....why would you think that the cover ups would continue? Perhaps it is best to give the new Pope the benefit of the doubt, as we grudgingly give elected politicians from our opposing political party. The new Pope seems to have walked the talk in his fight for poor people. And one of his first message that urges the church to not be influenced by the modern world is indeed a very encouraging message....since it hints at the new Pope's courage, and activism. He's known to have been an activist against the government in Argentina, opposing gay marriage and abortion. The cover ups will most probably continue due to the cabal that's within the church - members of the cabal protecting fellow members. Since this has gone on for decades at least (who knows when it started really), this rot is so deeply rooted that it can also compare to how corruptions is so ingrained in third world countries. Edited March 15, 2013 by betsy Quote
Black Dog Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 He's known to have been an activist against the government in Argentina, opposing gay marriage and abortion. But supporting the government when said government was a murderous military dictatorship. Quote
-TSS- Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 Please someone show me the exact passage in the Bible demanding that a human-being is elevated to a position of a semi-God. You can't show such a passage because it does not exist. Similarly, nowhere in the Bible is there any demand that people must build places of worship. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) How about this: Matthew 16:18–19 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Edited March 15, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) But supporting the government when said government was a murderous military dictatorship.Allegations. Which I'm more inclined to believe are being brought up by the leftwing in order to discredit him. Right after his election, womens' group protested saying they should have had a say in the conclave. The Pope clearly stated where he stands, which direction he'll take the church - and definitely it wouldn't be to support gay marriage, abortion and feminism! Declaration of his intent alone is enough to galvanize his enemies. They want a leftwing pope. Edited March 16, 2013 by betsy Quote
Sleipnir Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Please someone show me the exact passage in the Bible demanding that a human-being is elevated to a position of a semi-God. As far as I know, jesus was the only 'human' that was ever elevated in the bible as a demi-god status. Edited March 16, 2013 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
kimmy Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 "He who does not pray to the Lord, prays to the Devil." -Jorge Mario Bergoglio. "If you're not with us, you're against us." -George Walker Bush. Jorge, I christen thee Pope Dubya the First! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 "He who does not pray to the Lord, prays to the Devil." -Jorge Mario Bergoglio. "If you're not with us, you're against us." -George Walker Bush. Jorge, I christen thee Pope Dubya the First! -k Bush isn't Catholic. Quote
kimmy Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Bush isn't Catholic.And? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
betsy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 As far as I know, jesus was the only 'human' that was ever elevated in the bible as a demi-god status.If you're referencing the Bible, Jesus was not elevated as a "demi-god." He was God! Quote
Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 If you're referencing the Bible, Jesus was not elevated as a "demi-god." He was God! Isn't it amusing when atheists try to talk about religion? Quote
betsy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 Isn't it amusing when atheists try to talk about religion?It's like watching the blind leading the blind. Quote
Guest Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 There wouldn't be any blind if your God put a proper shift in! Quote
Sleipnir Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) Isn't it amusing when atheists try to talk about religion?Do you even know what a demi-god is? Obviously not. Edited March 17, 2013 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Rue Posted March 17, 2013 Report Posted March 17, 2013 Do you even know what a demi-god is? Obviously not. ..Ahem please the last thing I want is Besty peeking at me in the shower. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 Allegations. Which I'm more inclined to believe are being brought up by the leftwing in order to discredit him. Right after his election, womens' group protested saying they should have had a say in the conclave. The Pope clearly stated where he stands, which direction he'll take the church - and definitely it wouldn't be to support gay marriage, abortion and feminism! Declaration of his intent alone is enough to galvanize his enemies. They want a leftwing pope. I don't want a left wing Pope. I want no pope, no cardinals, no sexually repressed old men dictating the life choices of millions of the world's poorest people while living high off their own ill-gotten gains. Quote
betsy Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) I don't want a left wing Pope. I want no pope, no cardinals, no sexually repressed old men dictating the life choices of millions of the world's poorest people while living high off their own ill-gotten gains.Are you a Christian? If not, you got no pope! No cardinals. And you need not have to listen to any sexually repressed old men's dictates either - whether they be cardinals, or the likes of Dawkins! Edited March 18, 2013 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 Isn't it amusing when atheists try to talk about religion?If you want amusing, stroll over the threads Betsy has created. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 I don't want a left wing Pope. I want no pope, no cardinals, no sexually repressed old men dictating the life choices of millions of the world's poorest people while living high off their own ill-gotten gains.The Church isn't going anywhere anytime soon, though. Take the good when it comes, I suppose. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Shady Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) I don't want a left wing Pope. I want no pope, no cardinals, no sexually repressed old men dictating the life choices of millions of the world's poorest people while living high off their own ill-gotten gains. Just think of them as a kind of government. Except that people have a choice as to whether they want to listen to them, follow what they say, and give money to them. Edited March 18, 2013 by Shady Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 18, 2013 Report Posted March 18, 2013 Just think of them as a kind of government. Except that people have a choice as to whether they want to listen to them, follow what they say, and give money to them. But don't talk about them if you don't believe them? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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