Michael Hardner

Of all the problems we have... Nutty university students are way down on the list. There's already a post in here giving an example of his erratic mindset. If he was a leftist, everyone would think he was nutty, but because he supports traditional values, his tribe excuses him. It's disgusting actually. For fans of Jordan, is there any topic that you wouldn't have him testify as an expert on? He's probably going to testify on that topic soon.

Could I possibly dissuade you by saying that I was in his corner at the beginning. His increasingly erratic postings, and apparent addiction to fame caused him go off the rails and lose my support.

I honestly think the same thing about you. You've been duped by clowns and magicians, and you expect me to be mad at the mirages they blame for our problems.

It's illegal to post anything by him - he has been cancelled. Please remove.

1. I would say people do listen to the wrong experts, and the fact that this clown is testifying in front of a government panel is evidence. 2. A lot of what people worry about is reported already, but they would rather hear it from their tribal leaders. 3. Whatever you're talking about it's crazy and can be implemented in any landscape with good device connectivity. 4. Like a politician clearly opposed to checks and balances, putting loyalists in place to seize power... It comes down to a society that rejects the institutions that have worked...

That's interesting, but it ties a concept to another concept. I don't think it clears much up when it comes to how we get through policy questions.

That's where I stopped reading.

Working people are in bad shape right now. That's the crux of the criticism we hear against Trudeau on here. Try to square the circle between things are awful and things are great for the 1000 bones people. You can't.

1. This is exactly the problem. People think that they're experts, and Peterson is the embodiment of this pernicious form of laziness and vanity. 2. Thank you. 3. Another facet of the problem, people equating suppression of speech with not being listened to. Peterson has reached a point where he's now ignored by serious intellectuals and thought leaders. That doesn't mean he's being suppressed. 4. Some things don't require expertise to comment on. Examples would be an opinion on basic things like charging someone for thinking of a crime, or describing your favorite ice cream flavor.

That's when Doug Ford used that same trick, promising to reform sex education in Ontario and getting their support. The reforms he did were feeble in the end.

We can't complain that things are terrible for working people, and also complain about things being done to help their basic needs such as pharma or dental care. The government is charged with helping the overall welfare of its citizens. Despite all of the claims that we are going to the "left", the wealthy have benefited from neoliberalism and working people haven't seen real gains. If you don't want them to vote in socialists, you had better throw them a bone or two.

No hatred for Peterson just to point out that he is known for speaking of things he's not expert or even TRAINED in. Just read that first paragraph. And the only reason he's in the public arena, was another dire warning (compelled speech) that he had to retract when he appeared before parliament. People need to hold public figures accountable for what they say, especially experts.

I doubt he drives his own car or really has ever. Anyway, I'm also not jealous of successful people. Especially not jealous of successful people who are dumber than me. If I did think about them too much I would go crazy in this epoch.

I'm just commenting on the politics. The seismic change with the judicial reversal is having a reaction. The Dems can play dirty too, if that's what you are saying.

You should ignore such types as you would a wild-eyed street prophet in person.

Latest Biden ad targets swing voters with Trump boasting about overturning Roe V Wade. This front has worked well for the Dems recently, let's see how it goes.

Huh ? Why ? Because it's a Russian name ? So if I listen to Lenny Kravitz I'm a commie then..

Like the social safety net ? Cool... You see a lot in there supporting liberalism IMO

1. Well, kind of. But the big gains in prosperity for the Europeans came when money-lending was allowed, to be used in funding exploration. And money lending is against the bibles, they had to work on that one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking So - yes Christianity was the foundation for prosperity but after protestantism initiated capitalism as the dominant social force. 2. I said as much above, yes. The populists seem to all be calling for 'reform'. First step might be to figure out what that means.

I'm going to speak over the religious zealots for a second, then come back to them: Secular humanists: although you disagree with "the bible" as a source, I have pointed out that a formalized and coded moral code was & is instrumental in establishing a basic roadmap for a cooperative society. I would assess that many of you believe that "the bible" is being contorted and used by manipulative agents right now, but that you agree that some form of common moral code is helpful, especially where influencers have sucked the air out and created a vacuum of trust. Bible likers: you DO realize that "the bible" was not readable until the dawn of the Renaissance, and spawned decades of strife and war once it was PRINTED in the local language for the few literates to read, yes? "The bible" was only instrumental as a social tool when used by community leaders who were clergy. They would provide a counter balance, sometimes fractious, to the governing powers of nations. There is no such arbiter of morality today. If you pine for the days of old, then you are pining for a time when there were non-political leaders who would provide moral leadership on issues of the day. As religion faded, the clergy gave way to academia and other disparate voices. Today we have performance artists - comedians, actors, musicians - who are providing something like this but with nothing close to the influence, nor the cohesion of a common moral stance that a religious sect would give. So I think we're agreeing more than we see. I would say cultural bubbles prevent us from merging our outlooks and making politics work in the way they did many decades ago.

1. I was also going to bring up Mulroney, but also Bill Clinton and christia freeland come to mind. 2. The people you're describing, all the ones I know, vote NDP. 3. You want me to prove you're wrong, but since it's an opinion I can't by definition.

You've never watched Stra Trek ? Seriously, I watch this exchange as I would watch an exchange between a 6-year old with a magnifying glass and some ants, although the ants looked slightly better than taxme afterwards. I had no idea that he was so submerged in conspiracy troother bs but so be it. I do remember 9/11 debates on here years after 9/11 happened, just the same as the Climategate conspiracy etc. etc. Somehow when Republicans and Conservatives get elected, though, they're unable to get the files released. I wonder why. Fund education, people... this is what happens when you don't. Evolution and social studies in schools replaced with Glue Eating workshops funded by Elmer's...

What became true ? They became liberated ? Well... first they became *advanced* and gained the technology to subjugate non-European peoples by means of war and slavery. Then they became 'liberated' which is to say they allowed various levels of white male Christianity to co-exist in governance by a business elite. Then they slowly allowed other white males until they allowed some black folks in a limited way, then women. But the weaponry came first. As to what Christianity had to do with it... nobody can agree. Some people say it depends on when you start the clock, ie. Babylonians were dominant for a period, Romans were dominant for a period, Muslims were dominant for a period, then various European countries and maybe then America. Maybe China will be next and we'll all be pondering why Confuciousism was so important in dominating the world. Others say that it was the prevailing religion in a large productive landmass that had to allow coexistence of a multiplicity of religious factions and nationalities. Or that Christianity protected private power and thus was more conducive to corporate investment and the Renaissance wealth boom vs. China's imperialism. I think that was Jared Diamond. Others say we whites are just more naturally brutal and we should be guilty (50%) or proud (50%) of that. If that was the key then what the hell happened ? The hell... happened. Oh wait, I'll bet it's feminism, socialism and flouride in the water...

More specifically... How did people hoard things before money existed? They mostly didn't. The rise of these systems meant that people were better off, on the whole, even though individuals who weren't able to specialize and work within the new system did worse. And those who knew how to play the markets.. my God they could accumulate twice what another person could. Imagine having a society where someone could have twice the assets of another person! I feel a lot of our technological progress has been a long road to reclaiming those expensive but beneficial aspects of tribal living. They could park satellites and drones above us, and end premeditated public violence by monitoring cameras and our phones. But since tribal society died, we have this strange idea of privacy. Anyway, before people jump down my throat... I'm not advocating for that, but I am advocating for a little more imagination in assessing our situation.

1. Opinions are always 'ok' 2. The fantasy aspect of the holy books was, and has always been, inconsequential to the social value of religions. 3. You misunderstand me. I'm simply saying that the Bible, and more importantly its antecedent books and practices, were instrumental and necessary elements in the foundation of a civilized society and we should consider that. I'm not saying that in the social roadmap of today there's value to deferring to "the" bible or any holy book. 4. If you want to build a new society, it's a good idea to know our roots.