Michael Hardner

But do you have evidence that there is NOT a Global Zionist Conspiracy ? JFC... give it up with this one, he's not going to take his armband off...

Following up - I listened to quite a few pieces on this. This was one that stuck out: -David Fraser is an acclaimed tech and privacy lawyer at the Schulich school of law. No political axe to grind. The other pieces I found were from CTV News - a panel with communications directors from all 3 parties... so, no. He went through it and doesn't think much of the bill, but I couldn't find much on the Human Rights angle. He leaves it to 28:40. Most of the analysis is about the protecting children angle. He thinks the bill is weak but - have a look. It doesn't seem draconian, except that he thinks pieces of it won't withstand constitutional challenge. Have a look and see if you find other quality criticisms. They are out there.

1. The accusation that people are lying for their salaries is pretty thin. Any scientist that came up with conclusive proof that climate change was not an issue or was not caused by humans would be a global savior and would be hailed. 2. It's pretty easy to understand how it works. If you know that there's a lot of uncertainty in the theory of human caused warming, post the papers that are disputing that. 3. Exactly. Look at my signature. Who is proposing another theory?

1. I'm talking about the Globe & Mail article. 2. I don't think I'm talking about any of that.

Science is science... when they disagree, science arbitrates it. It's fine to talk about Galileo but pretty extreme outlier. Contentious issues are fought back and forth, such as the black holes & multiverse questions Stephen Hawking talks about in A Brief History of Time. But this issue has far more consensus, and the need for action is also great.

1. There is plenty of media that is trustworthy enough to use as a platform. Plenty. But I haven't seen any that have taken this approach. Not that there haven't been, but... maybe I will look for one. 2. Doesn't really work for hate speech. I can't see anybody going to a judge and saying "See, Judge ? The Jews actually DO control the world..." 3. This is the problem of bubbles. Getting some objective information, as I outlined, should draw people out of their bubbles and leave social media to go where it's already headed, ie. back to cat and baby pics...

The problem isn't leftists/rightists - it's chuds of both flavours - spelling intentional. Stop making enemies of half of the nation and instead bring back politics.

1. No - click my "click to learn why" link in my signature to learn why human-caused climate change is true. 2. Not true 3. Science is not "the mob"

1. Agreed. It can also be made to sound draconian. The fact that there is inadequate understanding from "the" public and "the" errors is somewhat the fault of those reviewing the details, and somewhat related to how the public reviews such things but the fault is PRIMARILY and most importantly on the government IMO. For the public to get a better understanding of complex legal issues, we need to rediscover our humility. The fact is that "the" public can't be expected to: 1- Read a 150 page legal document - not even to speak of UNDERSTANDING it 2- Doesn't have any trusted public intellectuals to explain such things 3- Doesn't know how to find such people 4- If they were able to, they would be in the habit of trusting a single opinion on such things. The liberal world was highly confused by Margaret Atwood's sharp comments on the legislation, but that itself was based on a single article. There are indeed strange new aspects of this bill - like a "restraining order" type block on expressing ones opinion and the government already lost the trust of the people awhile ago so that clause is fraught. 2. Truth hasn't been a defense for awhile. People on here regularly attack folks also for making true comments about whiteness. My points from 1, above, point to the need to rebuild structures to support dialogue.

I'm taking a new tack on all of this - that it's actually a normal phenomenon wherein media changes upend the public sphere. You CAN turn a sphere upside down. Charlatans take the opportunity to inflame chuds and gain an advantage to grasp at and sometimes seize power. But the bad news is that the chuds are always there, creeping like a fungus. They have to be minded and tended to... but you probably won't ever educate them. To do so would require all of us to be more aware of our ideologies.

Your "idea" - what there is of it - is conveyed in the subject line. The idea that humans are causing climate change has been accepted and is beyond reasonable doubt at this point. You have to start looking at yourself at this point, to see what is wrong with your approach to knowledge. It's called reflection, and I can't help you with it.

Well... something like that would only happen if the wealthy and powerful had the ability to influence politics by directly paying politicians... and also influencing media so that political contributions were never brought up as something that needed reform. 🤨

Canada is 12th on the per capita list. I'm not sure why we're talking about fossil fuels percentage in greenhouse gases. Climate change is from anthropogenic causes. Flipper

We already know that you want to ban the idea.

1. Yes such things happen. The Marxist thought system comes from Hegel's Dialectical process...

Look up the Munk debate between Jordan, Peterson and Slavoj Zizek. Zizek asks Peterson point blank to name these people that are influencing academia. There is only silence.

I'd take a ride in that thing. Need another hand to clean out the gutters...

What about this "no money" deal that Quebec guy was shopping around 🤔

I think so too. It forces me to face the primary question that we should all be asking ourselves: how do we know that what we think is true... is ACTUALLY true. As much as I decry your caricature of the 'woke' maniac corrupting academia... I fight with the fact that the caricatures of Trumpists and chuds are also false. The way I try to avoid falling into believing the relevance of the caricatures is by replacing them with the image of real people who are engaging in unhelpful but understandable behaviours. So the raging Trumper, the raging pink-haired woker... these people exist but their political influence is more felt when they're used as propaganda icons by their opposition in YouTube videos, etc. This is the tribalism that is waged via social media, and the new politics of that is hard to centre policy or real ideas around. Social media both changes the world pervasively and changes the eyeglasses we use to look at said changes. I think of television in the 1960s. There was a cultural revolution happening but the way we were looking at it was the lens that was enabling, enhancing and thereby adding to that revolution. Social media is making the marginal into the centre and pushing everyone into each others' business regardless of these peoples' core principles or values. Indeed, even with all the fighting on here ... if you went down to the details you would find there's a remarkably strong set of core values between most posters here.

1. Wow, you're more of a capitalist than I imagined. 2. I think of this quote of yours from time to time eyeball. It applies to social progress too. It also explains why good economics and good times breed talks of equalization, social progress and environmental progress and bad times lead to ... bad politics.

Today I learned that you're not a conservative if you disagree with jailing people for their opinions.

Good luck with your war on ideas. I warranted two responses? 🤔 I'm not crying, but I'll probably cry once you start arresting my friends and family for saying things you don't like. Good one on calling me a woman's name 👍🏻

I don't care about that, just the idea that you think it should be crushed. I'm conservative so I believe in free expression. Your kind offends me.

Sorry I meant to say methods. If they don't like an idea they'll ban it. Only difference between you and them is who's holding the gavel.

Destroy it then. You are the judge and executioner of ideas, so do your job. The woke mob very much agrees with your message.