Michael Hardner

Wait. Are you going to do like last time and claim this is tongue in cheek? Or is your "think of the children" theatre restricted to sexual abuse, not child labour to help you stuff your face with cheap candy? Just trying to understand here.

1. WTF. No, it's not by any means. Were you raised in a barn? If you're effeminate, can I casually call you gay? No. It's repugnant behaviour.

Okay, I just find it strange that you have this sort of movement you're passionate about, and you don't want to impose your own design on it. I guess there's nothing wrong with that. What I said to Often Wrong. Goal: Centrist is a Political Group dedicated to asserting our collective values through words and actions - values including unity, pragmatism, equality and improvement of the commons.

Okay, first of all you have to recognize that you as the founder are the principal architect, if not the leader of this thing. As such, you need to stop being so verbose and throwing out so many ideas and make something simple for us to build on. You need to communicate and lead. Don't put it on some group that doesn't even exist yet. As such, the suggestions I gave are response to your call for mentoring. I urge you to follow them exactly as I wrote to get started. For example, when I asked about objective you said it was on the main page. I went to the centrism site, and the page does not contain the word objective at all. Instead there's a verbose description of how the dune 2000 game could be applied to politics. Another interesting idea but not in the right place IMO. You have to be succinct and crisp, so that new members who express an interest can understand quickly what this is all about. Nobody doesn't know you is going to read long rambling word salads full of ideas and comparisons. As I said you need to specify the what who why and how of what the movement is.. a few sentences and bullet points each. Feature it prominently at the top or in About Us, in bold font. Then, kick off a bunch of activities wherein you can have your interesting dialogues, discussions, and idea festivals. That is the mentorship that you need, and I'm offering it to you for free. To respond to your criticisms about me, anybody wants mentoring, education or information about topics they can tag me directly in any post on here and I will respond. After you respond to my advice succinctly, I will offer more. Pick one goal for the movement and put it in your About Us page...

1. What the hell are you talking about ? Productivity ? Why does Centrism care about this ? Is it a priority ? I feel like I post something and you say "nah nah nah, not CENTRIST enough". It's entirely unclear unless you write down what it is. 2. Horsesh1t. I'm indulging this project of yours, despite being unclear on what the hell it is. When I ask questions, you act like a King and say "how DARE you ask me what this is ?". Then you impugn my motives, as though I already haven't spent a lot of time indulging this thing, even taking an INTERVIEW. Serious question: do you know how to LEAD ? Have you ever done it ? Are you ready ? Because I'm losing interest in this as a garden party without any serious intent. 3. Who is better than others - the one asking questions of the leader or the leader who refuses to answer ? 4. "Shadow man" doesn't sit for interviews. If you want to call me Shadow Man, that's fine, but I won't consider you an ally or someone whose "movement" such as it is deserves my support. I am always interested in helping people with a positive idea, but without clarity of purpose you're just filling your ego with a Contrarian centred movement, and by that I mean the person not the idea. 5. The forest of question marks grows ever thicker. 6. Stand up to me ? How are you standing up to me and why is it even necessary ? 7. Who is asking me to Mentor them ? 8. Ok here is MY advice: Start with a list of founding principles, and maybe behaviour guidelines. That is the WHY and HOW of it. Next, then an overall goal, then a series of activities. That is the WHAT of it. Present it to a group - the WHO - that you want to start with and collaborate on THAT first. I have actually been providing you suggestions in case you haven't noticed, and you haven't adopted any. That is called 'mentoring' and here I am doing it again. You need mentoring as a leader in my opinion. So, let's recap: 1. I have been helpful and here I am offering advice, ie. mentoring, and asking questions. 2. It's incumbent on any leader to respond to people in the group. 3. Leaders do not insult people in the group and call them names they didn't ask for. I need you to respond to this please.

I think that you should drop the technology angle. The Western nations may actually be damaged by technology somewhat. You articulated: Centrism can be driven by principles such as "cleaner-fish", compromise, pragmatism, evidence-based decision-making, and a commitment to finding common ground. Is that the list? Do what the anarchists DON'T do, and write it down, collaborate and build a foundation.

Okay thank you, I like this. How about instead we say it's an assertion of our common values? And an agreement to use our common institutions to pursue them?

Where are these Centrist principles you refer to? I asked you to define some but I haven't seen where they are yet.

I think 2 minutes works pretty well ...

I haven't seen any studies that show either clergy or drag queens are more likely than a control group of being predators. That said, the latest reaction to drag queens is irrational

I'm convinced that crashing the market would have an effect on rents.

But wouldn't the end have been in 2016? They went there.

True, but presumably people want to get something for their ass out. Landlord to leave the market, but the residence is still there when they go.

1. There is something deeply affecting about the desert, and it's various forms. 2. And you're not even talking about the great things to do in town. The shows, the gold and silver for breakfast, Ethiopian restaurants, art museums. Do they still have that Kmart in sparks? I used to love that store. Hippie stores like prism clothing. Music stores with great deals. There's a music store in Sparks that sells guitars and guns, and there's a parrot in there that imitates every guitar riff you've ever heard.. Last time I went to the Denny's on peach lane, they asked us smoking or not smoking? We couldn't stop laughing. Also the best Vietnamese restaurant I've ever eaten at, gold and flower is it? It's like somebody put an urban downtown and a suburbs in a blender

The polls are all over the place. Bailao has been much lower in other polls too. The renters of Toronto are being thrown into the meat grinder and they want the city to start punishing landlords and stop evictions. It will get bloody and may be the start of a class war, actually

So you make a terrible analogy, then add "Total nonsense" at the end. You have such an overpowering ego that you can't allow for the possibility that you don't understand something. It really makes me wonder how you were raised.

Love Nevada. I have driven from Fallon to Vegas on the 95, Truckee to Utah on the I80, and Reno to Utah on the 50, as well as the 447 up to the Oregon border. Reno is a crazy place. It literally has everything from skiing to hot desert within 45 minutes, as well as all the trappings of a big city and small town. They should teach the kids how to play the odds, though...

1. Yes 2. No. You have to learn to make deals. Dogma means never compromising and taking a war footing. 3. Politics is inseparable from a willing to compromise. 4. Ask the socially conservative what they want. Explain the system to them. Explain that others won't give them anything without something in return. Make an agreement to disagree on some things and call truce. "What do you want ?" "I want them to take the flag down" "What do you want if you can't get that ?" "I want them to stop talking about same sex couples in class ?" "What do you want if you can't get that ?" "There's nothing else I want." "Ok then" That would result in a stalemate. If the people want to disrupt and protest until they get what they want we are out of the realm of politics and the Centrism movement has nothing to do with it. Centrism is only for compromise. Otherwise what do you think would happen in this scenario ? My compromise to social conservatives is they get to keep their kids home, or send them to religious or private schools.

1. Nice. I like it. But but but... you won't get anywhere unless there's some framework of accountability for club MEMBERS. There will be some infighting but gross examples of bias, wrongdoing or looking the other way will make your movement worse than what they're looking at. 2. Ok, you went into it somewhat. Maybe you can assign someone to facilitate development of a framework to look at areas of political interest with a critical eye. I would take LGBTQ+ for sure...

1. "Into" the political world ? Like us you mean ? Of course not, but that should be a stated value. As in, I value honesty but I might only be honest 99.9% of the time. 2. If you can't objectively see flaws in any political viewpoint then I'm surprised. They all have flaws. 3. I am self-taught in basic economics. The idea that you think I have so much education is a trenchant comment on the lack of general economic education. I am most conservative when it comes to economics. 4. You rejected a suggestion I made, but what about my other points: create a "movement" based on common values of people who attach themselves, perhaps by cutting/pasting a promise to follow key values that are TBD.

Maybe, given your evident adherence to*integrity, you should stick to keeping this as a *movement. As such, you should follow what is happening in business, and IT, to create the movement around people, a core group first, values and principles... then set out to discuss and build support for the movement *as a way of looking at politics. I would think that you would get great traction with such a strategy because both lefty and righty thinking people know that the system stinks. It's based on shallow thinking, absence of dialogue, cult by bubbles, the mobilization of the bubbles to convince a wider tribe that the opposition is inhuman... The system hasn't changed so much that you can't reuse it to engage people and wake them up. But you will need to mix the new with the old. How about you start with a rule that says within the Centrist context, you can only criticize the politics that you're closest to? You would immediately see an entire body of political criticism that is different from anything out there. With WestCan going after Poilievre and me going after... (I don't know, you tell me what you want me to go after) there would be something different in content.

Why though?

Wait I thought Trudeau was a Commie?! 🤔

Maybe you can explain it to me one day.. For what I can tell, they didn't like how she looked in a pant suit and the way she talked. And so they picked the most obvious grifter in American history instead.

Just because someone signs onto an ideology of extermination of whole races, LGBTQ, Roma etc... does that mean they're not reasonable people. Thank God that the Murdoch family is thinking of the Nazis, they're really under fire these days.