Michael Hardner

Not much support for Trump on this thread? 🤔 Mostly, a few are pointing out some hypocrisy around fast reactions to Biden. But nobody is saying hooray for this.

I know you don't like posting references. And I usually enjoy your posts regardless. But this whole thread is based on a data stain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_gross_domestic_product There are four provinces/ territories below Quebec in GDP per capita including Manitoba. There are two above Alberta Intelligent people tend to verify their facts, So I know you are capable. Also the number is just under 1.5X GDP

1. Yes lots of examples. 2. Demand side increases, more profits for hiring companies. 3. Targeted immigration brings in people who pay taxes... Added: this means jobs for people who provide goods and services to the newcomers. Nor TFWs, not refugees.

Yes, I've read a few of them. The economist you quote seem to be in the minority as I recall. " Immigration is not helping our economy" is a blanket statement that is a fringe opinion. I have read what you said about declining, aging population and that part makes sense.

Maybe if you post it in here it will be seen: https://repolitics.com/forums/forum/14-support-and-questions/

Agreed. I also would like to see National program to reduce the wealth Gap, and increase incomes for the bottom 2/3 of the population

Thoughtful post, thanks. I'm also in favour of reducing immigration for housing, but it's not just immigration at the root of this. Other countries saw housing increases too, with no significant change in immigration It seems that the ultimate goal of this is to increase wealth for homeland Canadians, but let's include other solutions too like raising the minimum wage. https://tinyurl.com/yc3mf44m

Many years ago someone on here, who was anti immigrant, and posted about some Alberta based medical company that had achieved something. A quick Google look-see showed that it had been started in recent memory. . by an ASIAN WOMAN 😲😲😲 I of course pointed that out. I don't remember what happened after that.

Nobody likes me anyway. CrackheadBarbie called me a reactionary or some such. ...

I guess they're a type of immigrant but I would assume we would still let refugees in, at some level, even if we had no economic immigrants.

Seems like what we're discussing though ? ie. Immigration

I don't know what that is.

We're going back in time... consider every kid not had due to birth control as an infant mortality... Consider every mid-level manager not hired due to AI as killed in the Crusades... Few kids, no middle managers... I figure we're at about 1150 AD right now. Don't worry eyeball, you're good.

1. Yes that's valid... but as I said people are benefiting from this too. The government not taking population growth into account seems mind-numbingly stupid. And saying what drives this is not the same as saying there's no rationale for it. Indeed there is. 2. What % of posts I see on social media puts forward an economic case vs a picture of a guy in a turban with a line through it ? Your idea that immigrants make the economy worse... you didn't provide a cite here either, instead you just assume the audience knows it's true right ? 3. Why ? 4. At least you admit someone is benefitting...

Although... maybe I AM a good example: 30 years ago I started a consulting career that pushed me into the category of top earners. Chretien's government opened up tech contracting from the world over... I was introduced to a co-worker newly arrived from RED CHINA 😮 6 months later, my business was finished and I had to take a year to train and reinvent myself. There was zero controversy, no internet to complain, no media coverage. My job was just... eliminated. I knew that economics was driving Canadian businesses to lobby the government for this as my hourly charges were likely 4X what my replacements made. So yeah, maybe I am a good example to listen to. i doubt most here had to go through what I did.

1. Most of the world is in the same boat, so it's not an 'us' problem. 2. Well, it's like saying "of course" we need "growth". I absolutely believe that it's maybe THE cornerstone of our prosperity but there is a possibility for us to change how we grow. And so i don't know about saying "of course". 3. 4. 5. The infrastructure problem is tangentially related to immigration. We had growth before immigration started to spike and governments were not much better at planning for growth in the past. When the economy is perceived as 'good' then these things are less of a problem. 6. Here's the thing: some people are clearly doing VERY WELL due to immigration. Who are they ? Why are they silent on this ? 7. 8. Populations are pi$$ed and they want more money, end of story. Fix that and you fix everything. Why are people working harder for less ? Or are they ? Who is angry ? Why ? Forum anger jockeys are not the proper sample space for the discussion either, nor am I for that point... 4.

Except... Muslim birth rates in Canada are almost 20% lower than the worldwide rate... another sign that religion will always bow to secular liberalism. So you can bring in Muslims but in a few generations they'll be mushy Canadian Muslims... as unproductive and malleable as the rest of us. I would say the anti-immigration sentiment (and it is a sentiment, it's a "feelings don't care about facts" thing ... driven by chud-produced YouTube slop) is driven by anti-Muslim and now anti-Indian feelings. That's fine, they don't like them and I can't make them like them. But this "no immigration" thing requires a deep conversation beyond the low politics, in terms of why ? how ? what would we expect to happen ? Some claim that immigration is not helpful to the economy, beyond the obvious downward pressure on certain groups. The "Why ?" answer to them is to boost the wealth of average Canadians. But it's hard to see a straight line between 'no immigration' and that result'. (https://tinyurl.com/mpawuem5 https://tinyurl.com/2bjh3anw)

I don't feel that we are a nation of innovators, that we Foster boldness. I honestly would look to our immigrant class to help with that, including Americans. And don't look for them to come out of universities either.

1. Were they or did they appear to be? 2. Why do America's enemies hate America, you mean to ask. Good question. 3. Nowhere/nowhere/Pakistan. 4. If you want to move the goalposts, it's fine with me. Anyway, my previous post stands. I have recently had a similar discussion with WestCan. People respond to my point that arguing such things is fruitless by arguing it.

The US government spending money on this versus Denmark spending money on something

I was on this board in the early 2000s where I first saw this message. I would respond with cites from various Islamic groups condemning terrorism but it didn't matter, people still posited this point. Let's be honest: the reason to criticize an entire culture and to label them as 'bad' is to feel good about oneself, ie vanity. If Islamic forces win, it's because they're brutal and violent. If Western ones do, it's because they're resourceful, scientifically based, advanced... It's one of the most onanistic discussion themes on this board... There's no forward progress on these. Even the Immigration and Climate Change themes are better at producing interesting momentum.

1. Single digit of GDP is huge, I admit. 2. I guess funding alternatives, or research for alternatives would be one. Honestly, I'm not as knowledgeable in this area and there have been almost no discussions on here in terms of details. By that I mean, people looking at the cost of individual remedies or mitigations costing them out, etc etc. Etc. It's not the type of conversation we have on here, including me. 3. I think most people made the point that China and India are worse. And I don't think too many people contest it. 4. Honestly. I don't know where to start with this one. For the science and climate change, I read up enough on it to get the basics and when I make a point I like to cite NASA or some such. The economic exploration seems to me to be a lot deeper. The amount of reading I've done on the economics, is probably about 1 to 5% of what I've read on the science. This is not me tapping out... I just don't know.

Why would you DRIVE 😲 Why would you WORK 🤔

Do you hate Toronto yet? I met a kid. Must have been 14... He pumped gas for us. He was from Toronto... Living way out of a small town in Alberta. He didn't hate Toronto yet. But I knew one day he would

1. 😲 I believe city parking is cheaper, that's why they have it. To help facilitate the public... Driving to shopping areas and so on. 2. Brother 😔