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Translation; let us risk Canadian service member’s lives to spite Trump.

I hesitate to do this and have a feeling I'm going to regret it but I'll make one last effort to illustrate the point I (and a few others here) are trying to make. Perhaps a grossly simplified analogy that everyone can relate to might help Consider a family of four. Everyone has busy schedules, the kids go to university and everyone is actively involved in running the family business. It gets to the point that connectivity, file sharing, schedule syncing, air dropping selected files etc etc is exactly what they're looking for. The idea of syncing their devices really appeals to them because they want to streamline their collective efforts and enhance the situational awareness of all players. Initially they all decide to get iPhones and MacBooks, they lay down a deposit and await the hardware. But there's a sale on and they're looking to save a few bucks so they deliberately decide to switch it up... the kids get PCs and iPhones while the parents get MacBooks and android phones. Now. The question isn't so much "can they make it work" or "are there APPS for that," It's more about the fact that even though they knew exactly what they wanted (and needed) they accepted a mixed fleet of devices because they didn't like one of the salesmen and were able tp save 20 bucks on the purchase price. Now multiply the complexity of their business a thousand fold and think way (WAY) beyond the compatibility of Mac Pages and MS Word. Personally, If they were to ask for my advice (they wouldn't BTW because I'm a total dolt with computers), I'd probably recommend sticking with one or the other instead of deliberately mixing things up. How about you? Does my cautionary argument in favour of the interoperability between proprietary devices still sound like complete BS to you? If so, proceed on course with my blessings but please understand that interoperability is only one aspect of opting for a mixed fleet in a small force that only consists of 55 combat ready fighter pilots. Coordinating and paying for all of the supply, logistics, spare parts and remote overhaul requirements will probably be enough to make you want to cry and so far we've only considered interoperability. Personally, I would really enjoy watching you sort out the training and facility requirements, but that's just me. Don't worry about that now though, we'll just figure it out as we go along.... along with a few other loose ends. If your only reason for doing this is because you don't like Trump (I'm partial to his wife BTW) then please lock yourself in the basement for the next three years, it will be over before you know it.

A ridiculous post.... you can't build a top fighter jet with just an Allen key, Augie.

Your source is dated 2019....and is very outdated, It does not have issues in cold weather, they operate out of Alaska, all the time and there is no palm trees there... https://www.eielson.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/3591523/f-35-lightning-ii/ https://breaking-news.com.ua/en/news/world-en/defense-express-compared-the-operating-costs-of-the-gripen-with-other-fighter-jets/ A mixed fleet is the way to go according to you, and yet Many of the commanders of air command don't see it that way , maybe you can give us a source on what your basing this opinion on....or maybe like the other posters on here it is based on nothing really. Yes Gripen is more cost efficient to fly, one could also say the spitfire would also be more efficient to fly and maintain, but lacks everything the F-35 offers, your comparing a 4.5 fighter to a 5 th gen fighter it is not apples to apples ...Canada has a long history of keeping equipment for 40 plus years...the world is working on gen 6 aircraft now....and god knows what they will be working on in 40 years....SO why invest in a fighter that is outdated already.. If it is all about saving money then like i said buy spitfires....I find these comments funny because Our own military pilots have chosen the the F-35 in 3 separate competitions. each one of these competitions found the Gripen placing at best 3 rd place because 2 European competitors dropped out... Nobody is even bringing that point up....why would we pick a fighter that does not even place in the top 5.. Are you suggesting that OUR politicians know better than the men and women that fly these machines....or maybe we don't value their Live's enough to buy the best aircraft available at the time...which one is it...

By all appearances, she looked around and realized what she'd been doing and for whom--and how hollow and unworthy the man is.

Exactly. The decision should be made on what Canada will use them for. Nit fir what someone else wants us to use them for.

1..Problems that are being worked out, problems that do not keep it from combat operations.... 2..Both typhon and rafale are much better than the gripen.....Both of these aircraft placed in the top three in all 3 of those competitions Canada held... But we are not thinking about those aircraft.... 3...Yes they have canceled their orders not because of faults with the aircraft but rather problems with trump and his policies...try again... My entire point is that we don't use US military equipment for all our needs the largest purchase this country is going to make is going to Germany or south Korea...The second largest is a British design made here in Canada....your point is blown out of the water... We have been using the leopard main battle tanks for decades....Why because our military likes it better than the Abrams... we don't have the logistical tail like the US, to feed it with fuel which it drinks like a drunken sailor... It was widely reported that Elvis was seen leaving the building, You don't understand how procurement works, it does not matter if our military was sleeping with American manufactures....they don't pick any of our equipment, it is set up that way because guys like you believe there would be bias of some sort... military writes up a spec sheet on what they want it to do, or accomplish....Civilians from our procurement dept scour the globe for equipment that fit that spec....military test it , writes up a report on what it found during testing ....The sitting government picks what they are going to buy....So sucking up to our American brothers by our military has zero effect...Maybe you got another theory... SO if I'm following your train of thought we should buy something that barely makes the grade, and if or when a war comes we could go to war in sub par equipment....Military always plans for the worse case situation, and adapts to all the rest...I mean these are Canadian lives we are talking about....And we have a long history of doing just that, buying cheap and burying our dead... Not sure where you got that, NATO is expanding faster now than anytime in it's history, NATO in Europe are preparing for the next WAR today....some countries invoking conscription or thinking about it, massive military spending...countering your augment. America will not be on the side lines....America wants the rest of NATO to stand up and be accountable, and invest into the organization they belong to....I'd like to see where you came up with that idea... Air Command past and present are saying NO, NO, and NO to a mixed fleet they are also saying NO to the gripen....The F-35 is the path they want ....it has more growth than any 4.5 gen aircraft already at it's end of life

What price do you put on the lives of the unborn? We have ships and boats that run on nuclear power. Trains run on electricity all over the world. Aircraft and vehicles can be electric. If your physics professor told you that, you may have grounds for litigation. You can prove the effect of CO2 on re-ratiation in any undergraduate physics lab. It is not a theory. When the results are predictable and measurable and repeatable, it becomes a scientifict fact. When it was hypothesized in 1859, it was a theory, but now it is a proven fact. Your teacher should be fired.

The CF-18's have served us fairly well for over the last 40 plus years. It only makes sense to purchase the most technologically advanced fighters if we expect them to last the next 40 years. And our pilots who fly these things deserve the best. I'm no expert but I keep hearing the F-35's are the best of the best.

Lol...the Democrats thought the Epstien files would finally "get Trump". Instead, it appears the "got" themselves. So now they'll get what they begged for. The files...what there is left of them...Will show that Epstein was in league with Democrats to "get Trump", that he was an Israeli intelligence agent, and that he was a POS. And that's all that will be exposed. The Dumbocrats have snookered themselves. As all this damning information comes out, the economy will begin to show real improvement. Yes sir-ee Bob...2026 is gonna take us all back to 2018. The American economy will be roaring, and the Libbies will be so desperate and freaked out that they'll try impeachment again. This last decade has been a complete Libbie failure... And this time next year...it'll show like a black eye.

So the Libbies have decided to challenge the president's powers as Commander in Chief. They really have no sense of morality or patriotism. What they have is pure hatred. They hate the POTUS so intensely that they will promote military insubordination, lies about anything, and even murder. But the more they carry on like this, the stronger Trump gets. They dont care that the world sees them as whiney little b1tches. They call the Trump administration "authoritarian", "fascist", "NAZI". Yet when pressed, they cannot point to anything to support these accusations. No...it's all about sound-bytes for Libbies. Hail Marys. In reality, wars are being stopped, inflation is being slowed, investment is pouring into the nation. The intelligent Libbies...and I figure there's about ten of them...see this and know that the current trajectory means by this time next year, the US economy will be strong and prosperous again. That knowledge makes them even more desperate...more seditious...more whiney. So to real and rational Americans I say...Happy Thanksgiving Folks. You are at the "Turning Point".

Because the numbers of real idióts was alarming. It was painfully obvious within the first couple of weeks of the pandemic that a sizable percentage of the population was too gaslit to think straight without hurting themselves and others in the process.

And it pales in comparison to the technology that foreign governments use to convince chuds to help further their goals.

I think you will hear an announcement in the near future. Im not saying there won’t be recruiting and training challenges that’s a given for anything considering the state of the CAF but I am sure we will sign a deal soon.

Also, we’re not going to have fully operational F35s in that timeframe anyways, currently F-35 has a 50% availability rate due to glitches and extensive maintenance requirements. . Gripen is the only one who said they could start delivering fully operational aircraft in 3-5 years. Nobody knows when the F35s current glitches and reliability issues will be solved.

Well, shit, apparently the Canadian government has discovered marketing and communications. News at 11.

Yeah I agree CAE is the natural choice in any event, just calling out the timing right on the heels of the big Swedish state visit and the fact that it also signals that more GlobalEye orders are expected soon.

A bit dramatic. What is desired is bang for the buck - the most in efficacy in terms of training, support, technology OMG - that is the F35

Fixed that for you. Even the Almighty Yanks can't go to Rupert, Bella Bella, Port Hardy or down the Inside Passage.

F-35...everything else favors the F-35 a gen 5 aircraft with capabilities the Gripen could only dream off....it's sensors can spot enemy aircraft well beyond their own radar coverage, shooting first is a wining strategy and killing at distance is the F-35 domain...It has been battle tested by Israel and the US.... We only have 3 more years of trump....are we going to be that petty as to depriver our pilots defending this country by flying the best aircraft on the market right now....

More lies. Nowhere have I made excuses for pedophiles. In fact, since you seem more interested in lying about this to score cheap political points, it seems you are the one not very interested in pursuing justice. Once again, coward, baseless assertions do not equal facts. Let me explain, if I email @Shady and tell him I know you are a pedophile and you were doing sick pedophile things... does that make it a FACT that you are a pedophile?

The unfortunate thing is no one can put faith in Trump. The fortunate thing is that Trump will be gone in 3 years. President Vance...does that not make you quiver? LOL The Gripen may seem cheaper but, once modifications and additions to make it North American compatible...will it really be cheaper? There are a lot of components in an aircraft, especially in the avionics but also the mechanical parts of it. The logistics of maintain the aircraft is huge and the bits ill not be made for maintained in Canada. If we only own 60 or so aircraft, it makes no sense financially or logistically to build facilities her. The cost of Cormorant (our SAR aircraft) logistics is outrageous. Many parts have to go back to Europe for repair, overhaul and maintenance. And the Cormorant is not anywhere near as technologically complex as a fighter aircraft. I am not pro American, especially in to days political climate but, I am realistic and fully understand our immediate (and in the near future) needs and that is to protect us and our sovereignty. We rarely send out fighter aircraft out of country. I think less than a dozen on our 50 year ownership.

Don't you wanna assemble a fighter plane in your own living room?

Can we start a pool on how many more pages of posts there will be on this now that the issue is dead and gone?

Any edge of the world technology will have problems and over runs. That is what you pay to have the latest and greatest in any product. If you want to play, you have to pay. A mixed fleet is absurd. The cost of setting up 2 airforces makes absolutely no sense at all. That has been the major drawback with Canadian military procurement (or any government procurement). Getting the cheapest does not , in any way, satisfy the requirement, the needs and the usage of anything. You get what you pay for and cheap has never lasted or benefited us.

This is your stupid dishonest argument, not mine. You offered nothing to defend him against. I explained the context, if you are too lazy or dishonest to go look, then ask yourself why you are those things.

Cop 30 Hypocrisy at it's finest. First, at the very conference where deforestation will be a seminal issue, the Brazilian government sanctioned the chopping down of tens of thousands of trees to facilitate an eight mile long four-lane highway from the airport to the venue. As hundreds of private jets land and their retinues are chauffeured to their exotic hotels – or the two cruise ships chartered to provide an additional 6,000 beds – they can comfort themselves in the knowledge they have inspired a project that perfectly encapsulates the gap between climate rhetoric and action as Brazil markets itself as an environmental champion while chain-sawing protected ecosystems for conference logistics. https://capx.co/the-unbearable-hypocrisy-of-cop

So it looks like the military just got 52 more aircraft. For free! DND will be taking over the aircraft from Transport Canada for a reason no one seems willing to explain, but it seems obvious to me. It's another way of 'increasing' DND's budget without actually paying anything extra or buying anything. So on paper, our 'military' budget just grew without costing us anything. More accounting games from the Liberals. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/transport-surveillance-environment-drones-defence-9.6982250#:~:text=Show More-,Transport Canada will be surrendering most — if not all — of,in the recent federal budget.

Poor ole Mikey, he no likey, wants no more crikey.

Considering it... and unless you have an inside scoop to share it actually isn't that obvious. Manning the new UAV/UAS arrivals, 16 P8s, AWACS, AAR resources and a mixed fighter fleet might prove a bit taxing "if it's not obvious to anyone yet." Growing the capability and depth of experience that goes along with these things is thirsty work. If you need help with it (and I think you will), my flying suit is still hanging in the closet... it has all the shiny badges intact and fits just as well as the day I walked out the main gate (for what I thought would be the last time). If you have a course date I can be there in 45 minutes.... Blondie not included but the rest of the crew has agreed to pitch up with me.

Cool, I currently self identify as 21. Blondie says it better than I do.... "call me."

He had nothing to do with it. He was told this is what we want to do and what we're doing, he said sure Again no matter who was prime minister the same thing would have happened at the same moment. Nice try kiddo