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I don't know, in any case I doubt you'll ever stop saying it.

We need to find out how he became radicalized. Why didn't James Fields' family and his pastor alert authorities that he'd become radicalized? -k

Nobody opposes helping legitimate refugees up to a point. But you have to remember there are millions of people in poverty and an endless number of refugees. The costs of what assistance Canada provides must be watched closely. That is the limiting factor. Obviously Canada cannot solve the whole world's problems. There are many other countries that could be doing more than they are for legitimate refugees.

Sorry but I have to go to an emergency meeting at Soros tactical deployment center.

Has some "likes" to assign to the posts I like. Warning! I will be generous.

No. Here's the thing from my perspective. The White Supremacists had a legal right to demonstrate. Anyone who physically interfered with them was breaking the law. The violence that took place was solely the responsibility of the leftist thugs who attacked the white supremacists - with the exception of that moron who drove a car into people. Left wing activists hold a lot of protest and a lot of demos all across the US and Canada. Whether it's black lives matter, or anti-Zionist groups, anti-poverty groups, whether they're protesting against Trump or globalism or capitalism. Nobody much cares. You don't see masses of counter-protesters going out to confront them with violence. But if any Right wing group wants to hold a demonstration, or even rents a hall to speak to similar people, swarms of Left and Far Left demonstrators come out of the woodwork screaming abuse, howling insults, wearing masks and threatening violence, trying to block people from reaching the site of the demonstration or speech, going into halls to pull fire alarms and scream abuse at lecturers or speakers, and using violence whenever and wherever the police are not there to stop them. It started on college campuses, and is now spreading out into the world outside college. This incredible degree of fascist-like intolerance towards different viewpoints and ideologies, which, to these people, justify violence in shutting it down because they believe the speech they dislike is itself violence and thus gives them the right to 'defend' against it. And it doesn't matter if the right wing group is made up of Nazis and White Supremacists or simply Trump supporters or anti-abortion types or speakers like Christie Blatchford or Cathy Young or Milo Yiannopoulos. The left makes no distinction in its fanatic determination to shut that speech or demo down. And I'm frankly getting sick of it. They're a bunch of violent fanatics, zealots and criminals, and I don't see any condemnation of their actions on the part of mainstream or liberal politicians or the mainstream media. None.

Racism and fascism must always be confronted. That's free speech too.

Can someone please change this moronic topic title? I would suggest the battle of Charlottesville in its place, or at least the battle of Virginia. At least get the bloody state right.

Americans have the constitutional right to free speech and bear arms....it's a great 1 - 2 combination !

So there were people carrying guns. Are only right-wingers the ones carrying guns? Were shots fired? Is it wrong to wear body armors in an event such as this? Heck, just getting hit by flying projectiles can be deadly. The buck stops with Charlottesville authorities for not having the foresight to see this happening! They already had a taste of it the night before......and they still let these two groups converge at the same location. What were they thinking? Oh....and that Dem (mayor) even blamed the right wingers for the death of the two in a helicopter crash - who "needlessly died" because of this incident. It's not the fault of the protesters if the helicopter crashed, unless it was shot down from the sky by the protesters, buster!

Uh...yeah that's what I meant. FFS what a stupid interpretation of what I meant.

The right side? In 1862, when Seven Pines occurred, the conflict wasn't even about 'right or wrong' re: slavery. It was still about King Cotton. Remember...Lee had already 'emancipated' his slaves before hostilities. A large number of Union generals were staunchly FOR continuing slavery. Nobody reads Bruce Catton, anymore, it would seem.

I've spoken of this before. There are two answers to job shortages, but for the most part, the market takes care of this if left alone. Not enough widget makers? Well then, companies will compete to hire those widget makers who are here, and thus bid up the price. Other workers will see how much widget makers are getting, and retrain to become a widget maker. What we have in Canada are corporate interests who do not want to bid up the price of labour, and prefer to have the government bring in temporary or permanent workers from abroad in order to keep wages low. The second answer is that our governments do many things bad, but I don't think they do anything as badly as handling retraining for the chronically underworked or unemployed to get them into industries which need skilled or even semi skilled workers. The reason few unemployed are 'willing' to take a 4 year degree program in IT is because they can't afford the tuition and to be without income for four years. Let me suggest to you what I would do. I would have someone who comes into a government unemployment office multiple times be sent to a retraining specialist. There he/she would be tested on their skills/education, and presented with a list of opportunities. The government will pay them a reasonable stipend while they get their high school diploma, for example, and pay them a stipend to learn how to become a pipe welder or nurse or graphics designer, depending on their talents and inclinations. The government will also assist in getting them into apprentice programs and work terms with industry, and both industry and the unemployed worker will be required to cooperate in this endeavor. If they fail to do so without just cause there will be financial penalties. Not everyone is capable of doing skilled work. Fine, let them work in restaurant kitchens, then. Perhaps if we stop bringing in kitchen workers from abroad the restaurants will raise their salaries so unskilled Canadians will be drawn in to replace them.

Thanks, but you have to go out of your way to get information on immigration since the government does its best to ensure you find out as little as possible. What I got was not the entirety of what I asked for so I will be making another request. I wanted to know how many qualified applications were submitted to the various visa offices vs how many wound up being accepted. One would presume, then, that you have a financial stake in protecting high rates of immigration and refugees. Governments have been trying to select people for these programs based on various ideas of who would be most economically successful in Canada for a long time, to varying degrees of success. The ability of government to determine who will be economically successful in Canada seems vanishingly slim. Do you know what the number one and two 'professions' are among those who apply under the express entry program? Cooks and kitchen staff. Do you know how little cooks and kitchen staff make in Canada? I narrowed down your text to this because it is the point of disagreement between us. If you examine the document I posted you will see that the variance between what they 'predicted' they would receive, and what visas they handed out, were, in almost all cases, nil. I'm sorry but I do not credit government with this level of perfection, that at the beginning of the year they predicted they would get 12,307 acceptable applications, and wound up handing out 12,307 visas. If the target numbers were simple predictions then we would expect to see in many cases that they had been greatly exceeded or that the numbers of visas handed out would be lower. That didn't happen. In virtually every single case the visa offices handed out 100% of the visas they had targeted. Oh, occasionally it was 99% or 101%, but the perfection of their estimates to what resulted is simply too exact to be the result of anything but CIC executives making sure that whatever the "prediction" was, for a given visa office, that was how many visas were handed out. Then there's that little thing about reality. How often have I read stories of the numbers of Irish who have been working illegally in Canada, of how many Irish would love to immigrate here, but can't? The unemployment rate for those under thirty has hovered around 40%-50% in much of southern Europe for a decade now yet we're to believe Rome had just 3700 successful applicants in all categories!? Even though Rome is also the visa processing centre for other countries, including Greece? How many Greeks do you think would like to get the hell out and come to Canada? Almost none? Ukraine is a mess, but only 1777 Ukrainians tried to emigrate to Canada last year? Really? It seems patently obvious to me that that cite you dismissed as being too old, is right on the money. CIC bureaucrats decide how many visas will be issued from various visa offices, and that's that.

When Brown Shirts were warring in the streets with Communists and everyone else during the early thirties, I don't suppose any of them represented you either but that didn't make it irrelevant. Fewer and fewer people have a direct connection with what went on during those years, either personally or through relatives and I think we are more in danger of repeating history the more distant that connection becomes.

I think the Dixie Chicks would disagree. Both the Nazis and the anti-Nazis showed up ready for a fight, but the Nazis were more heavily armed. If you were aware at all of the discourse before the event, you would know that a lot of the Nazis were planning on beating liberal protesters. Don't try to pretend it was one sided. It wasn't at all. And the only side that killed and/or sent people to the hospital was the Nazis.

"On this form if you oppose barbaric practices you are xenophobic". Or something like that. The astute response from @bcsapper to @The_Squid 's nonsense. Of course Squid deleted as he couldn't debate. Oye vei.

Trudeau must resign, for the sake of the country.

Where did he say that? Quote the exact words where he said "(All) Muslims are just fine"; bet you can't.

I agree with Argus that there were two groups on the streets spoiling for a confrontation...they all got it. Neither represent me.

Does anyone dispute that if the driver of that car was a Muslim instead of someone with know neo Nazi leanings, people would be calling it an act of terrorism?

I would suggest she would instead send an emissary, expecting him to be killed, but the Night King would get the message. And the message would not be an alliance. Cersei would basically offer up all her people, order them to disarm, and let the Night King have them on condition he take her as a lieutenant. And why wouldn't he? She'd make a fine lieutenant, the cold hearted bloodless bitch.

Hate is hate - but it's okay to hate if someone disagrees with you, and okay to attack them in the streets. And if anyone disagrees, why, then they're a racist.

I'm thinking that, given the options of submitting to Danys and getting executed, and fighting her and losing and getting executed, Cersei might even try to reach an 'accommodation' with the Night King. If he's willing to kill her but bring her back as his chief lieutenant, say, so she can get revenge on everyone....

I'm sure that many of those antifas are secretly happy that Trump is the President because now they have for four years a perfect excuse to carry out their favourite-hobby which is to beat the shit out of people they don't like and damage their property. Under Hillary as President they would have had a harder time to justify their love for violence.

So such imprecise language is fine for the haters of "racists and the bigots", but not Muslims ? The pretzel is getting bigger...and softer.

So hating "Nazis" or "white supremacists" is racism...got it ?

On this forum, if you're anti-nazi, then you're part of the far-left . Holy crap...

Will someone please tell Argus that people that have been saying this for years and are ignored with the same argument he's making, it would be a meaningless gesture. That's why you also have to stop wheeling and dealing with allies that as blithely and happily shit all over their principles too. So to do the utterly amoral apologetics Argus subscribes to. I recall how Stephan Harper used to opine that we shouldn't have truck nor trade with the dictatorship in China when he was stumping for power but look what happened once that two-faced liar got his power - utter amorality right to the core.

Maybe you guys should round us up instead. So where is the line for you guys anyway, at what point do you simply stop talking about this dire threat to your silly race and actually doing something about it? It appears that forever talking about it while never doing anything is probably the bigger exercise in futility here. Mind you taking action didn't get your ilk very far either as I recall so... Good luck in any case.

Having racist feelings about Muslims is akin to having "racist feelings" about libertarians. Islam is a religion.

"Racist views" built America...and they built Canada too. Still do. All this excitement might be very upsetting to someone who didn't live through "awkward moments" in the 1960's.

You mean the ones who shouted "Jew, Jew, Jew" when Mayor Signer asked all responsible people to go home?

You're right - all they did was innocently try to drive over 20 people

Probably won't be long before they do, and why should we be surprised when they do? A civil war between the left and right is inevitable if not necessary.

I recall when folks were convinced things were getting better because left and right had basically settled their differences. I just hope I live long enough to see how it all turns out. I'm convinced we still haven't seen anything yet.

If I am an illegal in the US and I hear Trump saying he will deport me, of course I am going to head to Canada. We have a Prime Minister making it clear he will not turn anyone away. The vast majority of the surge of migrants are not refugees they are in fact blocking refugees from coming as well as legitimate immigrants. They are blocking them both out as they jump ahead in line. In fact the current policies has first and foremost the most negative and direct impact on legitimate political refugees and legitimate legal immigrantion applicants as both are being crushed and prevented from being able to come to Canada as this surge floods our borders. Trudeau is an idiot. He never gave anything thought to the implications of an open door policy. He gave no thought or planning as to its impact on refugees or immigrants. None. What his open door policy has done is collapse the refugee system enabling illegal migrants to be able to pose as refugees enter the refugee system, collapse it and make it impossible to enforce. The back log on refugee applicants is such that the delay in providing hearings will enable illegals to plead the charter to avoid any hearings at all. In the interim legitimate refugees who did apply now no longer have support as its gone to illegal migrants. Iillegal migrants speak neither English or French and have no transferable skills. This means for a minimum of one generation they will go onto welfare and require social housing. Our federal government has not coordinated with cities and provincial and municipal governments to assure social housing and medical services is in place. Let's be clear. 90% of illegal migrants are heading to Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal with 10% headed to other cities and none to rural areas. None of these migrants bring skills required to enter or augment complement or replace the work force. Illegal migrants crowd into cities in substandard housing and form ghettoes of unassimilated, unemployed people who then will manifest what happens to marginalized people who can't assimilate, they will drink, do drugs, engage in domestic violence, high rates of reproduction and soaring rates of mental illness and suicide. They will strain already drained hospitals of any resources treating not just their mental illnesses but higher rates of diabetes, heart disease and cancer all caused by their poor lifestyles. They also bring particularly from Pakistan and the Muslim world a high rate of first cousin marriages which brings a particular strain of mental illness and congenital diseases that only show up in adults as they hit their 30's or 40's causing them to become disabled and unable to fend for themselves. The surge of illegal migrants floods schools where our education system has been watered down to a level of rampant illiteracy to accommodate the thousands of new students who sit and stare and can't speak English and rely on a fellow student to translate for them. What we have is an increase of marginalized ghettoes, pockets of individuals with no transferable skills who can not speak English or French. Trudeau's fantasy world ignores the native impact of illegal migrants on our medical and educational systems let alone direct sociological phenomena caused by over-crowding in cities including crime, domestic violence, gridlock, mental illness. Immigration unless its planned and carefully organized ad screened and monitored constantly fuels social breakdown. Trudeau's disasterous approach to immigration will cause emotional turmoil, social upheaval, urban break down, and phenomena no different then what we see in Europe or the US. One can only hope the blithering incompetence of Trudeau gets his ass thrown out next election.

Pot - Kettle.

USS Robert E. Lee (SSBN-601), a George Washington class fleet ballistic missile submarine, one of the USA's "41 for freedom".

What's the point, really? We can condemn White Supremacist terrorism and alt-left or alt-right terrorism and Muslims can condemn Islamic terorism till the cows come home, it changes nothing. Some contingent of any group seems to choose to see itself as oppressed and victims and to then decide its their god-given right and duty to stand up for themselves and show "those" people by whatever means necessary. And when someone gets hurt or dies, they gleefully point to 'those' people as being responsible, whether its a particular group, the current government or the former government. With any luck, I will be dead before this pervasive hate and blame returns us to another dark age. Or ignorance and denial results in Climate Change simply killing off most or all humans.

I don't think there is an attempt to change history here, just define what belongs in the historical record and what belongs on public memorials. This is for Americans to decide. Lee was an exceptional soldier and by all accounts a decent man for his age, but the fact remains, he fought for a cause that wanted to keep human beings enslaved.

Damn immigrants. I can see why white people in Canada get so irate with "those people" always sticking their noses in other people's business. What kind of a name is "Jeyanesan" anyway? Bloody foreign cops

I am concerned about a number of things that JT is doing. His idea about openly welcoming migrants to walk into Canada seems like a very unwise idea. I can guess he is doing it to please the immigrant vote, which he relies heavily on. Running up a deficit of 30 billions dollars in a year is hard to imagine and adding 30 billion a year to the deficit makes no sense. Expected to be 100 billion dollars in a couple years. What is he thinking? Hard to believe one man has the power to do these kinds of things. If you want to know more about Pierre Trudeau, get the book "The Truth About Trudeau" by Bob Plamandon. He did so many bad things it is hard to understand why so many people seem to revere him. He seemed to thumb his nose at our allies and traditional institutions like NATO while showing an unusual fondness for the communist dictatorships like the USSR. China, and Cuba. JT's carefree attitude about national deficits might have been inherited from his father and of course his affection for Castro and the Chinese dictatorship.

I love CCR... another more modern one I love to dance to is Blurred Lines hope this is the clean version... hate it when the line dancing mob takes up the floor so not much room for us to swing it.

You are very attached to Islam, by extension. Any criticism of it that comes from anyone but you is perceived as a criticism of your sister. When people are discussing the problems in Islam, we are all aware that not ALL muslims think that way. We have all said that many times. Over and over and over. It's you who refuse to see that. People should be able to discuss the problems in Islam without you directing how that conversation takes place and censoring what everyone says. You constantly jump to the conclusion that any criticism of Islam is directed toward individuals, in particular your sister. I'm sure your sister and your freinds are wonderful people. What you need to understand is that not ALL muslims are like your sister. What do you want me to do? You deny there is hatred of Jews in mainstream Islam, yet there are myriads of examples of it - all over the world, on a daily basis. You keep saying that it is only a tiny, tiny, barely perceptable minority who hate Jews and we should all ignore it and not talk about it. It is not. Do they ALL hate Jews? No. Do they ALL love and tolerate Jews? You know the answer, you just don't like when people point it out. I'm sorry I don't think Islam is the greatest thing ever. I'm sorry I don't believe Islam is "the religion of peace". I'm sorry I don't believe it honors or respects women. You are free to "Rah! Rah, Islam!!" for it all you want. Go for it.

I defend people's right to choose and to practice their religion without discrimination. I defend women's right to wear what they choose without discrimination. I choose to neither practice a religion, nor wear a burka.

The US/CIA did not go to Iraq to help the Iraqi people. They went to install a government 'friendly' to private corporate interests, take control of the country and privatize Iraq's nationalized natural resources, especially oil, using 9/11 as an excuse. It was an invasion of a soverign country.

They really need to keep their fatwas focused on condemning terrorism, not on progressive efforts by other Muslims.

He does sound deranged since a shoehorn stolen from within the mosque and used as a weapon doesn't suggest a great deal of planning or intelligent design.

Thank you for correcting goddess.