Trump launches the regime-change effort in Iran that he pledged to avoid

[Legato]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

Maybe this time Iran rises. One can hope. But right now, this is just the very, very beginning, would felt better if America actually had somebody that understood wars, not the Mr. Bone Spurs who ran and hid while his daddy kept him out of Service. Just saying. 

You aint saying much.

Would you be happy if Trump to took over Disneyland?

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Maybe this time Iran rises. One can hope. But right now, this is just the very, very beginning, would felt better if America actually had somebody that understood wars, not the Mr. Bone Spurs who ran and hid while his daddy kept him out of Service. Just saying. 

The wars pretty much irrelevant. It will be one in short order. It might be run by this afternoon.

It's the peace that they're going to have a tough time winning. That's where regime change tends to get tricky even when it's back by local support.

And you can bet it won't be trump working out that solution. Israel and experts in America will be trying to figure out how to do this without putting in somebody they don't like but also not putting in somebody the public will turn against. 

Edited February 28 by CdnFox

[Shady]

21 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Maybe this time Iran rises. One can hope. But right now, this is just the very, very beginning, would felt better if America actually had somebody that understood wars, not the Mr. Bone Spurs who ran and hid while his daddy kept him out of Service. Just saying. 

Lots of former presidents and politicians avoided the war.  It’s irrelevant.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Lots of former presidents and politicians avoided the war.  It’s irrelevant.

Which ones?

[User]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Which ones?

Here you go, Sea Lion, have a fish:

Joe Biden
Bill Clinton

Do you need this spoon-fed to you any further?

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

Democrats wanted to regime change Putin and sent a bunch of money to Ukraine which then Biden's son got a cut out of. Sad

Yes, it is sad that you LIE so brazenly. The VAST MAJORITY of what was sent to Ukraine was WEAPONS and NONE of that went to Hunter. The rest was money to fund government operations and NONE of that went to Hunter.

Are you so stupid you don't understand Hunter's BoD job was paid by a private business? 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

YOU ARE AN IDI*T. DOWN WITH LEFTISTS.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND MY SOURCES ARE THE LIVING BEINGS INSIDE IRAN, WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES?

Your "evidence" is ANECDOTAL at best.

I'm sure your "family and friends" didn't count 50,000 bodies.

[User]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yes, it is sad that you LIE so brazenly. The VAST MAJORITY of what was sent to Ukraine was WEAPONS and NONE of that went to Hunter. The rest was money to fund government operations and NONE of that went to Hunter.

Are you so stupid you don't understand Hunter's BoD job was paid by a private business? 

You are the most pathological liar on this forum, man. 

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

I know the sun's surface temp is 10,000 F. You should go there to find out if it's bupkiss.

So that's a 'NO'

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Before today, I read a number of estimates that the number of people killed by the regime was 30,000 plus.

What are your left-wing, regime supporting sources saying about the death toll from the crackdown?

I haven't heard ANY figures about total death count. But I'm sure it's much higher NOW with Israel and US bombing the fck out of them. Apparently someone doing airstrikes killed 85 girls in a school.

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Two Prostestors die by suicide by cop and the liberals want executions immediately and yet Iran is killing protestors left and right just because they are protesting and the liberals are like "they are part of the religion and peace and love so who cares if they rape and murder 100s of thousands of people their religion is soooo much better than Christianity"

Who is calling for "executions"? Post NAMES or STFU.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Did this action remind you of Bill Clinton bombing the pharmaceutical factory in Sudan to draw attention away from the Lewinsky affair?

When it comes to Iran, Democrats had a rather softer approach than Republicans.

 

Your stupid memes prove ONLY that you don't know how to state FACTS.

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

iT WAS 50,000 PLUS

War time death estimates always vary widely depending on who is doing the ESTIMATING.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

American Failed Regime Changes

The United States has attempted to reshape foreign governments through various means, including military interventions and covert operations. These efforts have often resulted in tactical success but strategic failure, leading to long-term instability and the installation of governments lacking legitimacy. The U.S. has been involved in numerous regime changes, including coups in Iran, Guatemala, South Vietnam, and Libya, among others. These interventions have created power vacuums, civil conflicts, and cycles of authoritarianism that can persist for decades. The U.S. has faced criticism for its involvement in these regimes, often leading to unintended consequences and undermining U.S. interests.

Trump is a total IGNORAMUS about history. He believes the IRAQ war failed because we didn't STEAL THEIR OIL not because Bush LIED about WMD.

45 minutes ago, Shady said:

Lots of former presidents and politicians avoided the war.  It’s irrelevant.

Only if you don't care about actually selling the war so the military is MOTIVATED.

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your "evidence" is ANECDOTAL at best.

I'm sure your "family and friends" didn't count 50,000 bodies.

What is your threshold then? How many people need to be murdered so that you stop supporting a blood thirsty regime? The regime itself has admitted 7000 deaths and the opposition 90,000. How many is your threshold?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Courage, bravery and honor of President Trump is admirable. He warned the murderous regime. Do not kill protesters or you will be punished and he kept his word.

Thank you Mr. President. 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What is your threshold then? How many people need to be murdered so that you stop supporting a blood thirsty regime? The regime itself has admitted 7000 deaths and the opposition 90,000. How many is your threshold?

I don't care about the revolutionaries in Iran since they took US hostages.

The FACT is, Iran's democratically elected government was overthrown by a CIA coup which led to the current theocracy.

[WestCanMan]

Robo: the ayatollah would have been very proud of you if Trump hadn't sent him to hell today.

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I don't care about the revolutionaries in Iran since they took US hostages.

The FACT is, Iran's democratically elected government was overthrown by a CIA coup which led to the current theocracy.

Go and educate yourself first before coming here and post nonsense. And do not try to teach Iranian history to an Iranian born.

Dr. Mossadegh was never elected, democratically or otherwise. He was APPOINTED by the King (the Shah). He started aggressive policies and plunged the country into chaos. The Shah ordered him to step down. He as a King based on constitution in 1953 had the power to appoint and sack a prime minister. Mossadegh refused to step down and sent his armed supporters to arrest the Shah and his wife but before he fled the country to Italy. His chief of army sought help from CIA to stage a coup. Shah had no role in this but it was a popular uprising. CIA only spent a few million buying off a few army heads. 

THE ACTUAL COUP WAS CARRIED OUT BY MOSSADEGH WHEN HE REFUSED TO STEP DOWN AND TRIED TO ARREST THE SHAH.

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I don't care about the revolutionaries in Iran since they took US hostages.

The FACT is, Iran's democratically elected government was overthrown by a CIA coup which led to the current theocracy.

THE REVOLUTIONARIES ARE THE PEOPLE ON STREETS CALLING FOR THE RETURN OF PAHLAVI DYNASTY..

[Reg Volk]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo: the ayatollah would have been very proud of you if Trump hadn't sent him to hell today.

 

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Go and educate yourself first before coming here and post nonsense. And do not try to teach Iranian history to an Iranian born.

Dr. Mossadegh was never elected, democratically or otherwise. He was APPOINTED by the King (the Shah). He started aggressive policies and plunged the country into chaos. The Shah ordered him to step down. He as a King based on constitution in 1953 had the power to appoint and sack a prime minister. Mossadegh refused to step down and sent his armed supporters to arrest the Shah and his wife but before he fled the country to Italy. His chief of army sought help from CIA to stage a coup. Shah had no role in this but it was a popular uprising. CIA only spent a few million buying off a few army heads. 

THE ACTUAL COUP WAS CARRIED OUT BY MOSSADEGH WHEN HE REFUSED TO STEP DOWN AND TRIED TO ARREST THE SHAH.

THE REVOLUTIONARIES ARE THE PEOPLE ON STREETS CALLING FOR THE RETURN OF PAHLAVI DYNASTY..

YOU STILL POST NO EVIDENCE just OPINIONS.

CIA-backed coup overthrew Mossadegh

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The 1953 CIA-backed coup in Iran, known as Operation Ajax, was a joint US-British intelligence operation that overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh on August 19, 1953. Motivated by the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, the coup restored absolute power to Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, solidifying US influence in the region. 

History.com +2

Key details of the coup include:

• The Motives: Mossadegh’s nationalization of the oil industry alarmed Western powers. The U.S. and Britain feared communist influence and sought to protect their oil interests.

 

[Reg Volk]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

Maybe this time Iran rises. One can hope. But right now, this is just the very, very beginning, would felt better if America actually had somebody that understood wars, not the Mr. Bone Spurs who ran and hid while his daddy kept him out of Service. Just saying. 

Biden didn't have bone spurs, he dodged Vietnam by lying and saying that he had asthma.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo: the ayatollah would have been very proud of you if Trump hadn't sent him to hell today.

 

So say Trump and Israelis, who won't share ANY EVIDENCE.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, John Johnston said:

One of the biggest issues it that there is no end game. 

That was probably obvious to Truman but Eisenhower was clearly oblivious...he set the tone for the future.

In any case word on the street has it the Ayatollah is dead so...one less thing. The fewer old farts there are in power nursing old grievances is a good thing.

[Reg Volk]

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

Maybe this time Iran rises. One can hope.

Congrats on having the exact opposite opinion of robo.

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But right now, this is just the very, very beginning, would felt better if America actually had somebody that understood wars, not the Mr. Bone Spurs who ran and hid while his daddy kept him out of Service. Just saying. 

Trump's record of managing America's conflicts has been excellent so far. 

1. He outright thrashed islamic state into oblivion, after Obama said it would take 5 years
2. He scared Al Qaeda into hiding. Everyone thought they were gone from the face of the earth until Biden let a bunch of them out of the Bagram prison.
3. He hit terrorist leaders so hard that no one bragged about their promotion to leader, if they even accepted the role
4. when Russian forces approached an American base they got obliterated
5. when the Iranians killed ONE American contractor, Trump wiped Iran's two top generals off the face of the earth, and that conflict settled to dust with no more American deaths
6. The Afghan war was winding down to a peaceful, anti-climactic conclusion until Biden took over and turned it into a complete child-killing gagglefork.
7. Trump's border is clllllosed
8. Fentanyl shipping is a terrifying job now, and the most violent cartel leader in Mexico just got killed with the help of US intel
9. Despite all that was going on, and all the pressure to stop the massacre of Iranian protesters, Trump waited until the exact right moment to strike, and he hit the Iranian regime like a ton of bricks, with very little collateral damage

Knock on wood, to this point Trump's military record is unblemished. Leftists might think that he's too hard on fentanyl shippers, but people who have had it with fentanyl deaths absolutely love the fact that there's a real war against it. 

By contrast, everything the US military did under Biden was a debacle. The border was a debacle. The DOJ was a debacle. There was no pushback against fentanyl. 

Do you honestly wish that you could have an Afghan-withdrawal level of success in Iran right now? Really? Is this the time to let all the prisoners out of Bagram and use the indefensible airfield? No. There's never time for that. 

[West]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Congrats on having the exact opposite opinion of robo.

Trump's record of managing America's conflicts has been excellent so far. 

1. He outright thrashed islamic state into oblivion, after Obama said it would take 5 years
2. He scared Al Qaeda into hiding. Everyone thought they were gone from the face of the earth until Biden let a bunch of them out of the Bagram prison.
3. He hit terrorist leaders so hard that no one bragged about their promotion to leader, if they even accepted the role
4. when Russian forces approached an American base they got obliterated
5. when the Iranians killed ONE American contractor, Trump wiped Iran's two top generals off the face of the earth, and that conflict settled to dust with no more American deaths
6. The Afghan war was winding down to a peaceful, anti-climactic conclusion until Biden took over and turned it into a complete child-killing gagglefork.
7. Trump's border is clllllosed
8. Fentanyl shipping is a terrifying job now, and the most violent cartel leader in Mexico just got killed with the help of US intel
9. Despite all that was going on, and all the pressure to stop the massacre of Iranian protesters, Trump waited until the exact right moment to strike, and he hit the Iranian regime like a ton of bricks, with very little collateral damage

Knock on wood, to this point Trump's military record is unblemished. Leftists might think that he's too hard on fentanyl shippers, but people who have had it with fentanyl deaths absolutely love the fact that there's a real war against it. 

By contrast, everything the US military did under Biden was a debacle. The border was a debacle. The DOJ was a debacle. There was no pushback against fentanyl. 

Do you honestly wish that you could have an Afghan-withdrawal level of success in Iran right now? Really? Is this the time to let all the prisoners out of Bagram and use the indefensible airfield? No. There's never time for that. 

Amazing what happens when the US doesnt fund terrorist groups like Obama