ICE Finally Fires Back!

[BeaverFever]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its been confirmed that the car hit the officer.

You can see the video, nobody was hit.  It’s another of their kies. 
 

Remember the guy they tried to  arrest for assault for throwing his subway sandwich at an ice agent?  The ICE agent lies on the stand and said the sandwich was thrown with such force it “exploded” all over him leaving him covered in sandwich toppings.   The video clearly showed the fully wrapped sandwich was gently lobbed, harmlessly off his body armour and fell to the ground, while remaining fully wrapped and intact the entire time - no “explosion” and no toppings mess.  Case thrown out of court. 
 

When internet comedian Robbie Roadsteamer was standing in a public road taunting them with a bullhorn, the video showed the ICE agents ran out, tacked him on the the public street, dragged him onto federal property, then arrested him for allegedly trespassing on the federal property they dragged him onto.  
 

Authoritarian thug tactics which you only support because of WHO is doing the thugging and WHO is receiving the thugging, nothing else. 

Edited January 8 by BeaverFever

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its been confirmed that the car hit the officer.

If it hit him, how was he was able to pull out a gun and shot her?  Or did the vehicle just brush him as it started moving past him?    Strange how he was able to make such an accurate shot if he was being run down.    It doesn't add up.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You can see the video, nobody was hit.  It’s another of their kies. 
 

Remember the guy they tried to  arrest for assault for throwing his subway sandwich at an ice agent?  The ICE agent lies on the stand and said the sandwich was thrown with such force it “exploded” all over him leaving him covered in sandwich toppings.   The video clearly showed the fully wrapped sandwich was gently lobbed, harmlessly off his body armour and fell to the ground, while remaining fully wrapped and intact the entire time - no “explosion” and no toppings mess.  Case thrown out of court. 
 

When internet comedian Robbie Roadsteamer was standing in a public road taunting them with a bullhorn, the video showed the ICE agents ran out, tacked him on the the public street, dragged him onto federal property, then arrested him for allegedly trespassing on the federal property they dragged him onto.  
 

Authoritarian thug tactics which you only support because of WHO is doing the thugging and WHO is receiving the thugging, nothing else. 

Blah blah blah...she clearly hit the officer and the evidence is there.

Are you really gonna continue to lie about this?

Just now, blackbird said:

If it hit him, how was he was able to pull out a gun and shot her?  Or did the vehicle just brush him as it started moving past him?    Strange how he was able to make such an accurate shot if he was being run down.    It doesn't add up.

Well...no doubt math is not your forte.

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

See this link. https://www.aol.com/news/ice-agent-shot-woman-minneapolis-205645313.html

There's even a picture of the car hitting the cop.

Enjoy that...liar.

Lol you shared a blurry low res  picture where you can barely make out the car or the agent much less tell whether they came into contact. 
 

And the “news” article is a right wing tacky tabloid that just repeats Trump’s claim without actually verifying any of it.  If a right wing tabloid has a column that says “Trump claims to be the smartest man in the world” that is not a journalist “proving” Trump is the smartest man in the world. 
 

You might not know this but when people are “rammed” by cars they usually tend to fall down and the car goes over them. Sometimes they end up knocked up in the air and they go over the care. Never do they end up standing casually next to the car. 
 

You ought to remember this from when that “very fine person” right wing white supremacist “rammed” anti-racism protesters in Charlottesville. 
 

But then again you believe the 2020 election was stolen, support Putin and believe his state-controlled meister is more trustworthy than western media so why am I surprised. 

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Blah blah blah...she clearly hit the officer and the evidence is there.

Are you really gonna continue to lie about this?

No youre the one sharing the lies. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol you shared a blurry low res  picture where you can barely make out the car or the agent much less tell whether they came into contact. 
 

And the “news” article is a right wing tacky tabloid that just repeats Trump’s claim without actually verifying any of it.  If a right wing tabloid has a column that says “Trump claims to be the smartest man in the world” that is not a journalist “proving” Trump is the smartest man in the world. 
 

You might not know this but when people are “rammed” by cars they usually tend to fall down and the car goes over them. Sometimes they end up knocked up in the air and they go over the care. Never do they end up standing casually next to the car. 
 

You ought to remember this from when that “very fine person” right wing white supremacist “rammed” anti-racism protesters in Charlottesville. 
 

But then again you believe the 2020 election was stolen, support Putin and believe his state-controlled meister is more trustworthy than western media so why am I surprised. 

No youre the one sharing the lies. 

Lol...ok so you're going to keep lying. What a shock.

 

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

lah blah blah...she clearly hit the officer and the evidence is there.

Are you really gonna continue to lie about this?

It's not really clear yet.  You are assuming the shooting was justified without solid evidence.

Why would an ICE agent step in front of the car in the first place if the driver was not arrested yet?  If he was really hit, how could he have shot her?   Doesn't make any sense.   It's just more of your usual MAGA BS.

Edited January 8 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

Since the left on here does not seem to understand, let's explain. 

If an officer gives you a lawful order, you must comply. She was told to get out of the car. She did not. That is a violation of the law. She then attempted to flee the officer. Another violation of the law. Resisting arrest, as she did, puts her, the officers and the general public in danger. When she used her vehicle to drive directly at the officer, that is a threat to the officer's life. Whether she hit him or not is not relevant. She threatened his life through her own actions. 

You do not have the right to resist arrest. You do not have the right to run from arrest. You must comply. If you don't, you give the officers a set of tools, including deadly force, to stop you. 

I am not saying deadly force will or should always be used. I am saying that you are opening the possibility by not being civil and orderly. 

[User]

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You can see the video, nobody was hit.  It’s another of their kies. 

Depends on what you mean by hit. The officer had to quickly try to move out of the way and while doing so did have to position his hands to deflect the vehicle. It appears his leg/hip area was hit on the side while moving out of the way. 
 

Either way, the facts remain. She backed up and away from an officer trying to illegally flee, while doing so her vehicle turned towards another officer as she began to accelerate towards him and that is when he drew his firearm and fired.

 

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It's not really clear yet.  You are assuming the shooting was justified without solid evidence.

Why would an ICE agent step in front of the car in the first place if the driver was not arrested yet?  If he was really hit, how could he have shot her?   Doesn't make any sense.   It's just more of your usual MAGA BS.

To you. It doesn't make any sense...to you.

So let's try an experiment. You drive your car to an ICE site, block their progress repeatedly, then aim your car at one and punch the gas.

Tell me how that works out for ya...if you're still drawing breath.

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Depends on what you mean by hit. The officer had to quickly try to move out of the way and while doing so did have to position his hands to deflect the vehicle. It appears his leg/hip area was hit on the side while moving out of the way. 

It looked to me like she also sped towards another officer, who jumped out of the way.

27 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You do not have the right to resist arrest. You do not have the right to run from arrest. You must comply. If you don't, you give the officers a set of tools, including deadly force, to stop you. 

I am not saying deadly force will or should always be used. I am saying that you are opening the possibility by not being civil and orderly. 

I feel like this kind of tragedy is the obvious result of fear propaganda.

I remember, early in covid, there was a woman in the US whose son had the sniffles and she stuffed him into the trunk of her car to drive him to Emerg and she got charged with child endangerment.  But her reaction to her son's sniffles was natural when you consider the amount of fear propaganda going on at the time - a deadly virus that was going to kill almost everyone who got it, case number ticker tapes across every TV channel, lockdowns and fear pumped into the public 24/7.

I think it's the same with this woman.  Walz, the governor, repeatedly called ICE agents "Gestapo" and ordinary citizens have not only been told to resist but shown how to, various groups encouraging more and more extreme methods of resisting.

ICE agents themselves have been subjected to all kinds of abuse, pepper sprayed, rocks thrown at them, constant harassment, screaming, shoving.  It's been escalating.

[User]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

 

Except we can see the videos. She was letting ICE vehicles through - she waved 2 vehicles through, which they did, no problem. But the third car decided to play "Cops 'n' Perps" with her and drew their guns. One untrained id!ot stood in fron of her car with his gun drawn. That action is against every police organization's protocol. She turned away to go. She did not ram anyone. 

That was murder. Congrats to Trump: he's got American para-military shooting innocent Americans.

MAGA = Make Americans Gestapo Again !

This is a complete lie and not what is shown on the video. 
 

The gun was drawn only after she started to flee and move towards the officer in front of her vehicle. And he wasn’t really in front until she backed away and turn towards his direction. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes, and barring any further substantiated facts to the contrary, this women died for nothing after getting caught up in the anti-ICE hype and mania. The ICE legal observer organization training specifically warns not to block ICE operations with vehicles or obstruct officers.

But in death, she will serve as the martyr for like minded folks and the anarchists.

Senseless and unnecessary event...totally preventable.

 

 

It's sounding like it may even be MORE tragic than that.  It's sounding like SHE wasn't interested in ice or politics or anything AT ALL,  but her WIFE was and talked her into the situation.  I believe the wife was with her at the time and got out of the vehicle crying that it was all her fault and she told her to come down there etc etc. 

If so it's REALLY sad that a woman who by all accounts was a good woman and a widower with children got her self killed by listening to the deranged ideas of a far left loon 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So ICE just harasses random people doing 3-point turns then tries to arrest them?

What was she doing then that got ICE mad?

The video posted does not show the prior actions.

IMO, they just want to discourage ANY/ALL impediments by harassment.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

 

Except we can see the videos. She was letting ICE vehicles through - she waved 2 vehicles through, which they did, no problem. But the third car decided to play "Cops 'n' Perps" with her and drew their guns. One untrained id!ot stood in fron of her car with his gun drawn. That action is against every police organization's protocol. She turned away to go. She did not ram anyone. 

That was murder. Congrats to Trump: he's got American para-military shooting innocent Americans.

MAGA = Make Americans Gestapo Again !

But that's just not true. And this debate has been held in Canada where there have been similar shootings or police officer fired into a vehicle that was coming at him and in Canada using a vehicle to harm a police officer is something like the number one or number two way the police officers are attacked. I don't know what the stats are for America but I'm sure it's probably similar

And no it's absolutely common practice and absolutely the correct thing to do to draw your firearm and point it out of vehicle when the person involved is not listening to instructions and his potentially hostile. Because at any moment they might drive forward and kill you. And that's exactly the scenario they found themselves in

You're completely making crap up to suggest that the officer was on trained, it's complete fabrication to say it's against protocol to draw your weapon when dealing with someone in a vehicle is refusing instructions, I mean like you've just got nowhere to go with this.

The woman did not follow the police's instructions, the officer reached into the vehicle and she attempted to drive away and strike another officer and at that point she is using a lethal object and directing force against officers and at that point it is 100% protocol in both Canada and America to stop the threat.

He fired three times, he didn't do a MAG dump or anything, and he was trying to get out of the way.

You can't do that, you cannot drive your vehicle at a police officer and not expect them to shoot you. We may never know what's going through her head but the end of the day while I don't believe she's any kind of domestic terrorist or whatever she made a horrible decision and it had consequences

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Looks like bad choices were made. The driver ran over the police officer contrary to the early release camera angles. Her bumper made impact with the officer. This is assault with a deadly weapon and justification for deadly force. @eyeball

There is no evidence in the video to substantiate your (bolded) claim. That officer COUILD have moved but DID NOT. 

He was walking just fine after the fact as shown in the video, so in ANY CASE it was NO WORSE than the hoagie thrown at ICE which was THROWN OUT OF COURT.

AKA, you're LYING.

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

😅😅

REGULAR US cops aren’t even “understanding” and these ICE agents are zealots on steroids. “Understanding” = terrorist sympathizer in their worldview. 
 

In America police shootings like this happen all the time: driver tries to drive away so cop shoots them point blank in the head through the driver’s window even though they’re not in the path of the vehicle. The cop is probably not thinking “I need to shoot to save my life” more like “don’t let them get away”. But the cop always gets off in these situations, the Americans set the bar for guilt very high when it comes to police officers accused of wrongdoing and the benefit of the doubt they give him is enormous. It’s almost impossible to convict a police officer for any serious misconduct the stars really have to be perfectly aligned. They get away with a lot worse than this. 

In reality, due to SCOTUS decision, it is NOT LAWFUL to shoot someone whose only "crime" is FLEEING THE SCENE.

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not true....it is legal to shoot a fleeing felon for officer or public safety, to wit:

 

Renee Good was NOT a FELON. Duh

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There is no evidence in the video to substantiate your (bolded) claim. That officer COUILD have moved but DID NOT. 

He was walking just fine after the fact as shown in the video, so in ANY CASE it was NO WORSE than the hoagie thrown at ICE which was THROWN OUT OF COURT.

AKA, you're LYING.

The guy was hospitalized. But let's say you are correct and he was not hit, does that change the validity of use of force? No. Just like a criminal firing a gun at an officer and missing, driving a car at an officer is a threat to life and reason for the use of deadly force. 

The officer does not have to be harmed as a precursor to self-defense. 

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

In reality, due to SCOTUS decision, it is NOT LAWFUL to shoot someone whose only "crime" is FLEEING THE SCENE.

Not true: 

Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

She hit the officer with her car and paid the price.

No she did NOT. That officer was not even limping slightly as he walked away from the scene.

He was NOT even supposed to place himself in front of her car PER POLICY.

AKA, you're a naive IGNORAMUS to believe DHS LIES.

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According to reports and expert commentary regarding recent officer-involved shootings (such as the January 2026 Minneapolis ICE incident), here is the breakdown of that policy:

• Tactical Safety Protocols: Officers are trained to approach vehicles from the side (the "B Pillar") rather than the front, precisely to avoid becoming a target or being pinned.
• "Moving Out of the Path" Requirement: Justice Department policy, and similar guidelines, state that deadly force is only considered "objectively reasonable" if no other alternative exists, specifically including stepping out of the vehicle’s path.
• Avoiding Created Danger: Courts have ruled that when an officer intentionally puts themselves in front of a car, they cannot later claim they were in fear for their life to justify shooting the driver, as they created the danger themselves.
• Prohibition on Shooting at Vehicles: Many departments bar firing at a moving vehicle unless the driver is using a weapon other than the vehicle to cause threat, as shooting often causes the driver to lose control. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Did I say she was ramming vehicles?

You Tweenkies just cant help but lie, can you.

You said she was ramming ICE officers.

[gatomontes99]

Just now, robosmith said:

No she did NOT. That officer was not even limping slightly as he walked away from the scene.

He was NOT even supposed to place himself in front of her car PER POLICY.

AKA, you're a naive IGNORAMUS to believe DHS LIES.

 

 

You understand that you are victim shaming? Saying that her ramming him with her car is his fault because he walked in front of her is like saying a woman deserves to be raped because she dressed loke a slut. 

She sent her car flying, wheels spinning and engine reved, right at him. Just because he got out of the way with minor injuries does not negate that her actions were intentional and put his life in jeopardy. 

[West]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No she did NOT. That officer was not even limping slightly as he walked away from the scene.

He was NOT even supposed to place himself in front of her car PER POLICY.

AKA, you're a naive IGNORAMUS to believe DHS LIES.

 

 

You said she was ramming ICE officers.

The left is inciting an INSURRECTION by having foreign undocumented looters and violence overrun US streets. And then will target those officers trying to bring peace and stability. 

Sad 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

It looked to me like she also sped towards another officer, who jumped out of the way.

It looks to me like he jumped out of the way but the reality is apparently she actually hit him. He was taken to the hospital and treated for light injuries so she didn't hit him hard but she actually made contact with him.

To me that ends any debate she drove her car forward and actually struck an officer there's no way that officer could know whether or not she was going to mow him down or what she was doing.

And you can see in the video the splash of glass when he fires the first shot, he fires it the moment she starts moving towards him. He didn't fire early and he didn't wait for her to hit him and he was in danger, she wasn't 'driving away' she was driving at him. He saw a threat he saw his fellow officer with his arm stuck inside the window and he saw a car accelerating towards him directly and he fired.

This feels like a sad tragedy it just didn't need to happen but it's not the police's fault

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, West said:

The left is inciting an INSURRECTION by having foreign undocumented looters and violence overrun US streets. And then will target those officers trying to bring peace and stability. 

Sad 

Yes it is SAD that you believe ^this OPINION is anywhere NEAR the truth.

Foreign immigration and xenophobes like yourself have a LONG HISTORY in the US.

We even have a plaque on the Statue of Liberty celebrating  foreign immigrants.

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" are famous lines from "The New Colossus," a sonnet by Emma Lazarus, inscribed on a bronze plaque inside the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty to welcome immigrants seeking a new life in America, symbolizing hope, freedom, and refuge for the oppressed...."

 

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There is no evidence in the video to substantiate your (bolded) claim. That officer COUILD have moved but DID NOT. 

He was taken to the hospital. The fact that she hit him at this point is accepted fact, it's not conjecture or based on the video

. Which would make you the liar

[User]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

We even have a plaque on the Statue of Liberty celebrating  foreign immigrants.

Lawful immigration, not open borders madness.