Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

[ironstone]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Holy smokes, so do I! How the fùck do you explain that?

Hard to explain, but it is nice to see that we share some common ground on this issue.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

That was just run of the mill losing your shit. It became far far more serious an issue following 9/11.

Uh huh   Sure kid,   you need a white board to kepe y

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Darn tootin.

Your personal flatulence has no bearing on this. Still, hope you feel better. 

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Yes, every species in our family tree can.

I'm sure your family can, they're likely as mentally damaged as you.  But nobody else can   

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

Pretty much all of the qualities I admire in people.

I assign a greater relevance to people's core values. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I assign a greater relevance to people's core values. 

You support the liberals. You have no core values

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not me.

You're a complete loon if you imagine I'd do that. 

We were talking about how Canada has lots of 'secular lefties who know how to stand up to this'. Not 'you'. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We were talking about how Canada has lots of 'secular lefties who know how to stand up to this'. Not 'you'. 

Except I am a secular lefty, not someone who would rage at the Catholics for not allowing same sex marriage, but won't dare say a thing against Islam, which calls for gays to be thrown off buildings.

I'd probably LMAO at the Catholics and I'd remind Muslims they can always get a civil marriage. And you can be damn sure I'd rage at anyone throwing gays off a building. Unless it was CdnFox, feel free to throw him over the side.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'd probably LMAO at the Catholics and I'd remind Muslims they can always get a civil marriage. And you can be damn sure I'd rage at anyone throwing gays off a building. Unless it was CdnFox, feel free to throw him over the side.

LOL god i live rent free in the minds of all the lefties on this board it seems  

I suppose you also be fine with the Jewish being thrown off the side gay or not. You are fine with hamas slaughtering the civilians in Israel in the name of what you referred to as their human right to resist oppression

Not sure what you would do if they threw a gay Jew off of a building, that would probably be pretty conflicting for you

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not sure what you would do if they threw a gay Jew off of a building, that would probably be pretty conflicting for you

Like I said, unless it was you.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Like I said, unless it was you.

I asssumed it was a typo and you meant  "unless it was jew" .

[eyeball]

On 9/24/2025 at 1:03 PM, I am Groot said:

Sooo you're saying the entire DEI thing is just a spiteful way for the Left to taunt the Right and increase division and serves no useful purpose?

I think its more convenient for wealthy powerful people to keep the right and left fighting so they can get more powerful and wealthy.

Of course it helps that conservatives love to ingratiate themselves to their betters.

In the meantime why not rub conservatives noses in it? Sooner or later there'll only be wealthy powerful people and even conservatives will figure out who the real bane of society is.

 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

In the meantime why not rub conservatives noses in it? Sooner or later there'll only be wealthy powerful people and even conservatives will figure out who the real bane of society is.

 

Sorry we on the right have already had a meeting and we all voted on the all the things  we consider to be the bane of society....basically anyone on the left, in fact after the vote we actually considered rounding up the left and moving them to BC, then building a wall. but most preferred Baffin island instead, as there is still good people in BC.... 

Don't worry we are including all the rich lefties as well we would not want to be call racist, or show a preference for one group or another....

[herbie]

So long as these retrogrades insist on misrepresenting DEI as the exact opposite of what it is, the discussion is pointless.

If you have two qualified candidates and your organization has few or no candidates that are women or persons of colour and one of them is, you should pick that person.

You aren't forced to, your HR dept chose to abide by that.
If you have 11 years experience and the other has only  9, it doesn't mean shit unless your applying for a union posting.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

So long as these retrogrades insist on misrepresenting DEI as the exact opposite of what it is, the discussion is pointless.

 

 

The only one misrepresenting anything is you. D e I is in complete scam and it's a racist bigoted policy that should never have ever happened

[herbie]

See what I mean about pointless? Just gonna repeat things are the opposite of what they are to fit their closed mindset.

[Venandi]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

If you have two qualified candidates and your organization has few or no candidates that are women or persons of colour and one of them is, you should pick that person.

You aren't forced to, your HR dept chose to abide by that.

But as soon as the concept becomes a target (or objective) to be met as a function of policy you start running into intake challenges.

Targeted recruiting which falls outside the traditional recruitment zone (shared with such things as police and fire fighting BTW) can be challenging if you have mandatory targets to be met. Applying a similar standard to pay, promotions, and access to lateral jobs/movements can be divisive as well. 

Take the test.... how many women do you currently know (personally) who want to join the Navy and spend 6 months of the year at sea? I know women who do that BTW, but apart from the ones actually doing it I don't know a single one who says they aspire to it.

Big difference...

I expect that hitting minimum manning levels while labouring under targeted DEI constraints is difficult job.... I've never had to that and I'm glad of it. 

I also think that selling DEI as a concept is far easier than implementing it in a statistically significant way... especially in organizations like the military who's intake band (when expressed as a percentage of the total population) is already small. 

There's a disconnect here between people who argue in support of the concept itself and those actually charged with achieving it in a targeted manner.... it morphs into a lefty righty issue and neither side will give quarter to the other. From a course loading perspective though it isn't political at all, it's numbers game and the math gets harder the further you stray from traditional recruitment bands. 

 

 

Edited March 28 by Venandi

[CDN1]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

So long as these retrogrades insist on misrepresenting DEI as the exact opposite of what it is, the discussion is pointless.

If you have two qualified candidates and your organization has few or no candidates that are women or persons of colour and one of them is, you should pick that person.

You aren't forced to, your HR dept chose to abide by that.
If you have 11 years experience and the other has only  9, it doesn't mean shit unless your applying for a union posting.

 

Lol, who dominates HR departments? Foh, chump.

[Goddess]

Medical School Final Grades (first names only):

• Dr. Robert - 99% with honors
• Dr. Joseph - 97% with honors
• Dr. Elizabeth - 97% with honors
• Dr. Samuel - 74%
• Dr. Sarah - 64%
• Dr. Frank - 63%
• Dr. Laura - 57%
• Dr. Phillip - 56%
• Dr. Donna - 55%
• Dr. David - 54%

You need open heart surgery.  You get to pick your top 3 doctors.  You can only pick women.  And Dr. Elizabeth isn't available.

Same with pilots.  I want the one who graduated at the top of their class, I don't care what sex they are, I don't care what race they are.

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Medical School Final Grades (first names only):

• Dr. Robert - 99% with honors
• Dr. Joseph - 97% with honors
• Dr. Elizabeth - 97% with honors
• Dr. Samuel - 74%
• Dr. Sarah - 64%
• Dr. Frank - 63%
• Dr. Laura - 57%
• Dr. Phillip - 56%
• Dr. Donna - 55%
• Dr. David - 54%

You need open heart surgery.  You get to pick your top 3 doctors.  You can only pick women.  And Dr. Elizabeth isn't available.

 

What if you happen to know Dr Robert also goes by the stage name Madam Roberta at an after hours drag club downtown?

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

But as soon as the concept becomes a target (or objective) to be met as a function of policy you start running into intake challenges.

That is a decision of the board, not yours. So whine all you want about it, it will get you nowhere with them and gain you nothing.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

ame with pilots.  I want the one who graduated at the top of their class, I don't care what sex they are, I don't care what race they are.

and I'd pick the one who's been flying that plane for the longest

Not that in any similar employment situation do we get to pick. 

[ironstone]

28 minutes ago, herbie said:

and I'd pick the one who's been flying that plane for the longest

Not that in any similar employment situation do we get to pick. 

Why not have DEI for professional sports teams?

The Maple Leafs and Canadiens are too white aren't they?

[Venandi]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

So whine all you want about it, it will get you nowhere with them and gain you nothing.

True enough, only long duration pain and ultimate failure gets us "somewhere and gains us something." Unfortunately, it's a long process to relearn that which should never have been forgotten.... that would be the concept of seeking out competence wherever it can be found in whatever colour it happens to come in.

I previously asked you how many women you know personally that want to join the Navy and spend 6 months a year at sea?

If you want to set mandatory targets (and actually meet them), the challenge is finding a process that can overcome the obvious answer. Insults, ridicule and bad language (your go to solution) simply doesn't get the job done in a world where getting the job done is job number one. 

 

 

Edited March 28 by Venandi

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

I'd pick the one who's been flying that plane for the longest

Sounds like you're basing your selection on experience and competency then.... right?

There are a couple of other trade specific parameters here but I can generally agree with your position.  

So... welcome to the conservative party Herb.

Turns out you understand exactly what we've been saying.

Edited March 28 by Venandi

[herbie]

That is a conservative attitude.
Bullshitting that DEI means hiring lesser qualified minorities over qualified 'white' people isn't.

[Goddess]

 

Konstantin Kisin, who grew up in the Soviet Union, said something that stopped me cold. While the West teaches its children to be critical of — and often ashamed of — their own country, places like China and Russia are raising theirs to be strong, confident, and focused on science and excellence. Not equity initiatives. He put it bluntly: we’re in a real battle of civilizations. And if we keep weakening our own foundations from within, how exactly do we expect to compete? His line about bridges hit especially hard: “A bridge doesn’t work very well if it’s built on diversity instead of math.” It’s a sobering reminder from someone who’s seen ideological self-sabotage up close. What do you make of this take — is teaching national self-doubt a luxury the West can afford, or a strategic vulnerability in a competitive world?