Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

[I am Groot]

Another odd thing about the Left is how it sneers at and looks down at Americans, yet, like a child lying on the floor by the stairs listening to adults, it eagerly waits for whatever new faddish political idea the grown-ups down south come up with so it can eagerly put it in place here.

Such is DEI.

DEI is a concept the Americans came up with to try to include blacks and others in the mainstream who they believed had been largely shut out for many decades due to racism, segregation and slavery. It's debatable whether it was necessary or helpful, but there was never any point for it in Canada. According to the last census, 98.4% of 'visible minorities' are immigrants or their kids. Who exactly are we so determined to make up to for our past racism? How does it make sense for us to completely skew everything from hiring and promotion to university acceptance, government science and business grants, etc. in order to give preference to immigrants and their kids? And how does anyone think this would somehow NOT increase racism?

Whenever the Left is asked for justification for this, they will usually cite some statistic about how whites are more numerous than blacks or others in a given profession or occupation, or make more money, or whatever. But why would distinct and separate groups act, think, or behave in the same way? Why would we expect immigrants born and raised in a different culture, with different values and different educations, to have the same outcomes here as 'old stock' Canadians? Why would we think Asians or Africans would be exactly as interested in being lawyers or cops or teachers in the same numbers as Canadians, and would be capable of passing the tests, given their lower skills in English?

But every university course admission, every hiring test, every government grant is guided by DEI - not merit. Which, as Steven Pinker says, is madness.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/diversity-mandates-killing-canadian-science-famed-academic-tells-commons-committee

[herbie]

why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI

They're not, YOU are.

[CITIZEN_2015]

500,000 a year new immigrants most of them with cultures not compatible and lacking respect for women and human rights, is an invasion not immigration.

Canada First demonstration in Toronto indicative of a sleeping giant waking up eventually.

 

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1. 500,000 a year new immigrants most of them with cultures not compatible and lacking respect for women and human rights, is an invasion not immigration.

2. Canada First demonstration in Toronto indicative of a sleeping giant waking up eventually.

 

1. This is just based on your gut feeling. 

2. Another piece of intuition from you. So how many people were there exactly? I read 25.  The giant is sleeping in...

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. This is just based on your gut feeling. 

2. Another piece of intuition from you. So how many people were there exactly? I read 25.  The giant is sleeping in...

I saw hundreds, maybe thousands on my TV screen but the number who participated does not matter because they represent the feeling of a good majority of Canadians who are paying the price of this invasion. Housing prices through the ceiling because of demand and lack of supply, high grocery prices and undesirable scenes like people praying on streets.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I saw hundreds, maybe thousands on my TV screen but the number who participated does not matter because they represent the feeling of a good majority of Canadians who are paying the price of this invasion. 

What show is this now?🤔

[eyeball]

Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

Probably because they know DEI is guaranteed to trigger and make you people react so hatefully and predictably.

You're like big fat buttons just begging to be pushed.

It's like free negative advertising.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Who exactly are we so determined to make up to for our past racism?

It's the racism today in the here and now that we need to take measures against and it's still coming down the pike as far as the eye can see.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

Probably because they know DEI is guaranteed to trigger and make you people react so hatefully and predictably.

You're like big fat buttons just begging to be pushed.

It's like free negative advertising.

Drunk again eyeball ?

What is it you're trying to say ?

[herbie]

I like how certain types must twist every damn thins ass backwards.
Immigrants and refugees are coming here with no respect for human rights, say those with no respect for human rights. It's them, is it?

 

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Drunk again eyeball ?

What is it you're trying to say ?

You people make it to easy for the LE's by making such a predictable spectacle of yourselves when you react to having your buttons triggered.

[Nefarious Banana]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You people make it to easy for the LE's by making such a predictable spectacle of yourselves when you react to having your buttons triggered.

Hope a repeat of my question doesn't trigger you again . . . but, what is it that you're trying to say?

"Probably because they know DEl is  . . . ."

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You people make it to easy for the LE's by making such a predictable spectacle of yourselves when you react to having your buttons triggered.

Hope a repeat of my question doesn't trigger you again . . . but, what is it that you're trying to say?

"Probably because they know DEl is  . . . ."

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

"Probably because they know DEl is  . . . ."

...likely to trigger you folks into making a spectacle of yourselves when you jump ten feet in the air in reaction - to provide another reason to not place your vote to far to the right.

You actually think the LE's really give that much of a rats ass about DEI? Why?

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

500,000 a year new immigrants most of them with cultures not compatible and lacking respect for women and human rights, is an invasion not immigration.

Canada First demonstration in Toronto indicative of a sleeping giant waking up eventually.

It's not an invasion if they're welcomed.  The question is who wants this many immigrants, besides businesses (who would logically want the maximum number possible to increase profits)?

Demographic trends clearly show that western societies are trending towards extinction and are in need of immigration from non-western countries to replace them as their populations shrink.  This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just basic math based on our reproduction rates.

Banning or limiting immigration isn't even going to do anything other than delaying the inevitable.  Westerners have decided they don't want enough children to sustain their societies and nothing will change until that changes.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Demographic trends clearly show that western societies are trending towards extinction and are in need of immigration from non-western countries to replace them as their populations shrink. 

There it is!

But... aren't the Laurentian Elites dwindling as well?

[Moonlight Graham]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

...likely to trigger you folks into making a spectacle of yourselves when you jump ten feet in the air in reaction - to provide another reason to not place your vote to far to the right.

You actually think the LE's really give that much of a rats ass about DEI? Why?

Our society has come to a point where if you look at e.g. a TV show with 5 white cast members many recoil in horror at the racism of it all.  Imagine recoiling in horror at a TV show with 5 Arab cast members in a country with a majority Arab population LOL.   It's silly.  Political correctness run amok.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There it is!

Are you denying that immigrants are being brought in to replace older workers who have not given birth to enough children to replace themselves or grow the population?  This isn't even a matter of debate.  Is it politically incorrect to post facts the government itself would readily admit to?

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Demographic trends clearly show that western societies are trending towards extinction and are in need of immigration from non-western countries to replace them as their populations shrink.  This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just basic math based on our reproduction rates.

 

Well, yes and no.

It's true of Western countries but is now a global phenomenon.  So it's also an issue for Bangladesh and every country with a lower replacement rate, like China, Japan, India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia...

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Are you denying that immigrants are being brought in to replace older workers who have not given birth to enough children to replace themselves or grow the population?  This isn't even a matter of debate.  Is it politically incorrect to post facts the government itself would readily admit to?

No, it's just silly, reactionary and a little late in the day to be getting bent out of shape over something we've been aware of for decades.

Just wait till climate change rears up and smacks you people upside the head! We haven't seen anything yet.

I can hear it now... 'its all the lefties fault for not being alarming enough'!

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, it's just silly...

But the core objection is a conspiracy schemed to lower the wages for working people.  

(That's the leftist part.)

Edited September 21, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But the core objection is a conspiracy schemed to lower the wages for working people.  

(That's the leftist part.)

I'm pretty sure everyone in the universe feels that.

[Moonlight Graham]

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, it's just silly, reactionary and a little late in the day to be getting bent out of shape over something we've been aware of for decades.

No, it's silly to blame immigration for an issue that's self-inflicted.

Progressive baby boomers like yourself have destroyed western civilization by embracing an ideology and reproductive technologies to an extreme level to the point of unsustainability, and guilting your peers and younger generations into embracing them as well, as if you ever had any idea what you were talking about.  All the moralist hand-wringing won't save you from your historical legacy that will be studied for millennia because you all had the foresight of a gnat.

It only took me a couple of decades to uncoil all the ideological propaganda and guilt-tripping i was subjected to since a very young age.  You're an old man so you have no excuse.

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just wait till climate change rears up and smacks you people upside the head! We haven't seen anything yet.

I can hear it now... 'its all the lefties fault for not being alarming enough'!

I don't have ideological loyalties, that's for children rooting for their favorite sports team, I'm loyal to the truth.  There's no guilt-trip that can contain or control me if my loyalty is to facts and the truth.  I'm a free man, I think and moralize for myself.  Like a snail crawling along the edge of a straight razor.  The horror, the horror!

The left has been far more correct about climate change than conservatives since the left doesn't deny that science.  However, according to your logic, it's just silly, reactionary and a little late in the day to be getting bent out of shape over something we've been aware of for decades.  🙂

[Political Smash]

Diversity can become strong if gradually applied but when millions are forced into any country under the supercilious guise of anything in such short duration they are doing that deliberately to assist with divide and conquer under many guises.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1a. Progressive baby boomers like yourself have destroyed western civilization...

1b.  ... western civilization 

2. ...by embracing an ideology and reproductive technologies...

3. to an extreme level to the point of unsustainability, and guilting your peers and younger generations into embracing them as well,

4.   All the moralist hand-wringing...

5. ...won't save you from your historical legacy that will be studied for millennia because you all had the foresight of a gnat.

6. I don't have ideological loyalties, that's for children rooting for their favorite sports team, I'm loyal to the truth. 

7. There's no guilt-trip that can contain or control me if my loyalty is to facts and the truth.  I'm a free man, I think and moralize for myself.  

8. The left has been far more correct about climate change than conservatives since the left doesn't deny that science. 

9. However, according to your logic, it's just silly, reactionary and a little late in the day to be getting bent out of shape over something we've been aware of for decades.  

Your posts are becoming more provocative, as you compare the failures of both ideologies to look at the impact of their viewpoints on our futures. 

However, if you will allow me a nitpicker 10: 

1a. An overstatement. We're still standing, even if we're at the precipice of a fall. It's not at all clear that we won't be able to get over this.

1b. I pointed out above that all countries are experiencing this, and over half of them already have a replacement rate. Two load of sustain their population growth.

2. Technology?  I guess so, very but it includes just wrapping plastic around it. So... Low-tech I guess. 

3. I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of guilt. It's a left right nexus to me, that occurs when people talk about choice.  Both left and right value the idea of personal Liberty, at least in this regard. Liberal Western democracy values choice and lets people choose. Maybe there's implied value given to certain choices, but I think it's a stretch to call that guilting 

4. There should be some handwringing because we have rights and responsibilities in collision in this question. Also, your post has a moral foundation to it, so I don't think you can fairly condemn moralizing if that's even a thing. 

If you want to step aside from that whole thing where you don't want to moralize at all... Just talk about effects of decisions and cultural norms. Mcluhan did that with media, just talked about the effects of changes not whether it was good or bad. 

5. That's an accurate assessment of our ability to look at the big picture.  If we had better intellectual leadership, that wouldn't be. 

6. I agree with this. Part of that is to accept that your subjectivity will always color your conclusions. 

7. You are as free as anyone. But that means that free people will come to the conclusion that you're wrong. I don't think you can rightly say, you are not free because your conclusion was different from mine. 

8. Agreed.  But each political ideology has trouble dealing with the collision between rights and responsibilities.

9. A tiny earth population of a few million, with a high birth rate to sustain it... That's where we are headed.

 

[Barquentine]

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are not welcomed as recent immigrants are mostly from third world and they have overloaded our health and education and drove up housing prices for Canadians

There are a lot of factors causing those problems....

 

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am not against immigration. I am an immigrant myself from decades ago but we need to have less in number and more in quality.

So it was ok for you but not for others? Hypocritical much?

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I see it as an invasion trying to take over and change our democratic way of life.

Paranoid much? Or just don't like people who aren't just like you?

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

We must go back to those days.

Proudly advancing backwards! Tonight you're gonna party like it's 1949...

Canada poulation 1960 - 18,000,000
Canada, 1960 approximately 5,663,000 employed.

Canada's population today is about 40,000,000. In 2023, there were approximately 20.3 million people employed in Canada.

How is that possible if immigrants are just "taking jobs" from us Canadians?