Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

  You even told me not to bring my homeland's problems to this forum. 

I retracted my statement.  

 

[taxme]

On 9/20/2025 at 7:19 AM, I am Groot said:

Another odd thing about the Left is how it sneers at and looks down at Americans, yet, like a child lying on the floor by the stairs listening to adults, it eagerly waits for whatever new faddish political idea the grown-ups down south come up with so it can eagerly put it in place here.

Such is DEI.

DEI is a concept the Americans came up with to try to include blacks and others in the mainstream who they believed had been largely shut out for many decades due to racism, segregation and slavery. It's debatable whether it was necessary or helpful, but there was never any point for it in Canada. According to the last census, 98.4% of 'visible minorities' are immigrants or their kids. Who exactly are we so determined to make up to for our past racism? How does it make sense for us to completely skew everything from hiring and promotion to university acceptance, government science and business grants, etc. in order to give preference to immigrants and their kids? And how does anyone think this would somehow NOT increase racism?

Whenever the Left is asked for justification for this, they will usually cite some statistic about how whites are more numerous than blacks or others in a given profession or occupation, or make more money, or whatever. But why would distinct and separate groups act, think, or behave in the same way? Why would we expect immigrants born and raised in a different culture, with different values and different educations, to have the same outcomes here as 'old stock' Canadians? Why would we think Asians or Africans would be exactly as interested in being lawyers or cops or teachers in the same numbers as Canadians, and would be capable of passing the tests, given their lower skills in English?

But every university course admission, every hiring test, every government grant is guided by DEI - not merit. Which, as Steven Pinker says, is madness.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/diversity-mandates-killing-canadian-science-famed-academic-tells-commons-committee

What the letters DEI really mean is that they are programs and agendas to make Canada less white. Out traitorous left wing politicians in Canada that have decided that Canada should not be majority white any longer. Canada should now become a non white majority country filling Canada with hundreds of thousands of non white immigrants every year from the 3rd world and trying to turn Canada into a 3rd world Marxist hell hole. 

What DEI has done in Canada is given jobs to foreigners that are totally incompatible with Canadian culture and traditions. We must face the truth that multiculturalism, DEI, and diversity are not our strength, but are the enemy. Every day that white folk sit back and allow this to continue we will be paying a heavy price for their ignorance and stupidity. I call it an instinct for survival for the white people to survive and thrive in their own white homeland. 

There is truly something nefarious going on today in Canada and we all better start to pay attention, otherwise, our grandchildren will be paying a hefty price for our i could care less attitude. Just my opinion of course. 🤔

On 9/21/2025 at 8:36 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Oh great, another entitled immigrant who thinks they can impose their values on Canada...

😂

Can you clarify as to what you just wrote above? 

[taxme]

On 9/21/2025 at 7:43 AM, I am Groot said:

Phhhht. Every study shows Canada and other Western nations are at the top of the list when it comes to egalitarian societies free of racism. The irony is that the people we're bringing here, and who we are, thanks to multiculturalism, not trying to integrate, are generally at the bottom and come from the most racist, misogynistic, and intolerant societies on Earth.

I can't help noticing that the most leftist institutions, like universities, always seem to be filled with racism! Why is that?
Trudeau said every government department and agency was institutionally racist. Are they still? Even after ten years of Liberal government? The Left sees any differences between performance and outcomes of different identity groups as PROOF that there is racism/prejudice. But that's logically indefensible. No separate groups perform identically. Even siblings in the same family don't perform identically.

If Canada is such a racist country than why do millions of non white immigrants want to immigrate to Canada or any other white English speaking country? Why would any immigrant want to do such a stupid thing? The real racists here are the white lieberals themselves who keep trying to dilute white Canada and turn Canada into a mish-mash of many cultures and religions. It is the white leftist bleeding heart snowflake lieberals that hate the color of their skin and who want to see white Canada gone. Just saying. 😇

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Excellent example. Compare Poland with France, Germany or UK and see the difference. That said I don't approve of polish strict/racist policy in Canada because we need immigrants to pay pensioners and social programs but lets be selective as who we bring in and in a quantity not cause harm to those already here.

It is Poland's right to accept anyone they wish, is it being racist, i don't think so, it is how ever their sovereignty and they can exercise it any way that makes sense to them....The EU is not happy about it Poland immigration policies..., but then again the EU has massive problems and Poland has very little in regards to immigration... which shows the results you are looking for...

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

It is Poland's right to accept anyone they wish, is it being racist, i don't think so, it is how ever their sovereignty and they can exercise it any way that makes sense to them....The EU is not happy about it Poland immigration policies..., but then again the EU has massive problems and Poland has very little in regards to immigration... which shows the results you are looking for...

If they exclude certain races or nationalities without further detailed considerations yes it is racist but also yes it is their rights to do so if it is a democratically elected government which it is. What I desire is Canada to adopt same policy but with selectivity. It is fine to accept for example women from Iran and Afghanistan fleeing the Islamic persecution or highly educated individuals from middle east who can contribute to better Canada and pay taxes but wrong to ban everyone from Middle East simply because without having a choice they happened to be born there. Nationality is not a choice but religion or fanatism is. Ban those who are a serious threat to future of Canada and Western democracy.

Edited September 23, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

 

Can you clarify as to what you just wrote above? 

I think he was saying that just because I am an immigrant myself then it was ironic that I should oppose immigration to this scale and from the third world. Never mind that I am a 40 year citizen raised here and tax payer for 25 years and do not wish a future Canada to be messed up like Europe is as we speak. Also he claimed Canadian values include more immigration and because I was asking for less then I want to impose my values on Canadians. 

Selectivity is the key. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If they exclude certain races or nationalities without further detailed considerations yes it is racist but also yes it is their rights to do so if it is a democratically elected government which it is. What I desire is Canada to adopt same policy but with selectivity. It is fine to accept for example women from Iran and Afghanistan fleeing the Islamic persecution or highly educated individuals from middle east who can contribute to better Canada and pay taxes but wrong to ban everyone from Middle East simply because without having a choice they happened to be born there. Nationality is not a choice but religion or fanatism is. Ban those who are a serious threat to future of Canada and Western democracy.

What they are doing is excluding people that have much different morals and values than they do....they are being selective....you say that is racist, (Poland does not care what we think .....and yet they don't have immigrant problems)....and yet some how you yourself are being selective....it is fine to take in women of Muslim decent but not men, your saying take in only those whom are highly educated, but not anyone that is not....how does that not fit into being bigoted against a gender or how much education you have...how is that different than saying we are not going to take in anyone that does not conform to our morals and values....One can be from any where in the world and share our morals and values...How many jews/ gay/ Christians  immigrate to Muslim countries, are Muslims racist, or are they being selective...

And then how does one prove all that to a person from immigration...is a piece of paper good enough to show education, when we were taking in people from Syria, most people did not have any paper work on them, " lost in the war" no ID , and no real way of proving or disproving who they were and we took in thousands in a very limited time...most of them had spent their family fortunes to get to these camps....SO no money, no way to prove education, no way to prove they were facing persecution immigration people were rolling the dice....half a$$ measure...

[CITIZEN_2015]

39 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

What they are doing is excluding people that have much different morals and values than they do....they are being selective....you say that is racist, (Poland does not care what we think .....and yet they don't have immigrant problems)....and yet some how you yourself are being selective....it is fine to take in women of Muslim decent but not men, your saying take in only those whom are highly educated, but not anyone that is not....how does that not fit into being bigoted against a gender or how much education you have...how is that different than saying we are not going to take in anyone that does not conform to our morals and values....One can be from any where in the world and share our morals and values...How many jews/ gay/ Christians  immigrate to Muslim countries, are Muslims racist, or are they being selective...

And then how does one prove all that to a person from immigration...is a piece of paper good enough to show education, when we were taking in people from Syria, most people did not have any paper work on them, " lost in the war" no ID , and no real way of proving or disproving who they were and we took in thousands in a very limited time...most of them had spent their family fortunes to get to these camps....SO no money, no way to prove education, no way to prove they were facing persecution immigration people were rolling the dice....half a$$ measure...

No, I am selective based on potential good for Canada regardless of race or religion (high education, assets for investment or opening business) not race or nationality. As for women, i give priority to them because in case you haven't heard they are the ones who are being most oppressed. Men are not beaten to death for refusing to wear the hated hijab (Mahsa Amini) or deprived from education like f*cking Taliban.

I didn't know Poland is selective. I thought they ban all immigrants from middle east.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I think he was saying that just because I am an immigrant myself then it was ironic that I should oppose immigration to this scale and from the third world. Never mind that I am a 40 year citizen raised here and tax payer for 25 years and do not wish a future Canada to be messed up like Europe is as we speak. Also he claimed Canadian values include more immigration and because I was asking for less then I want to impose my values on Canadians. 

Selectivity is the key. 

As you just said, Europe is in one hell of a 3rd world looking state and mess thanks in part to massive 3rd world immigration into European countries. So many crimes are being committed by so many illegals and many of those illegals think that a woman wearing some loose top and a pair of shorts on the street means that it is open season to rape those white European women. Our white sisters in Europe fear walking the streets at night for fear of getting raped. 

In Europe they have do have a really big Muslim problem where the Muslims are trying to push Islam on the European people. In Britain it is really getting out of hand. They even have the gall to say that is what their aim and game plan is for Britain. Make Britain and Europe Muslim. I have nothing with legal immigration with very low numbers allowed in.

But trying to make white Europeans a minority in their own white homeland, well this needs to end. But with the traitorous white politicians that the people of Europe have to deal with and blame for this illegal mess, it will be hard to stop it. Only a revolution will stop this illegal massive 3rd world immigration problem. And from what i have seen on the internet, it already look to me like the revolution has started. Corner a racoon and he will strike and bite back. Just saying. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

As you just said, Europe is in one hell of a 3rd world looking state and mess thanks in part to massive 3rd world immigration into European countries. So many crimes are being committed by so many illegals and many of those illegals think that a woman wearing some loose top and a pair of shorts on the street means that it is open season to rape those white European women. Our white sisters in Europe fear walking the streets at night for fear of getting raped. 

In Europe they have do have a really big Muslim problem where the Muslims are trying to push Islam on the European people. In Britain it is really getting out of hand. They even have the gall to say that is what their aim and game plan is for Britain. Make Britain and Europe Muslim. I have nothing with legal immigration with very low numbers allowed in.

But trying to make white Europeans a minority in their own white homeland, well this needs to end. But with the traitorous white politicians that the people of Europe have to deal with and blame for this illegal mess, it will be hard to stop it. Only a revolution will stop this illegal massive 3rd world immigration problem. And from what i have seen on the internet, it already look to me like the revolution has started. Corner a racoon and he will strike and bite back. Just saying. 

Maybe not a revolution but Europe needs a leader like Trump to kick out all illegals and step further, curb immigrants from the third world and muslim immigrant in particular like Poland is doing now.

[I am Groot]

On 9/20/2025 at 5:14 PM, eyeball said:

Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. And why are the Laurentian Elites fixated on DEI?

Probably because they know DEI is guaranteed to trigger and make you people react so hatefully and predictably.

Sooo you're saying the entire DEI thing is just a spiteful way for the Left to taunt the Right and increase division and serves no useful purpose?

 

On 9/20/2025 at 7:01 PM, eyeball said:

It's the racism today in the here and now that we need to take measures against and it's still coming down the pike as far as the eye can see.

And yet you have ZERO evidence of it. None. All this talk of 'systemic' racism just means 'we can't find any but we know it's there!"

And I note that the places that are most certain there's massive racism are the places the Left have been running for decades. The federal government has had racial hiring quotas for a long time and tons of expensive quotas on discrimination, diversity, equity and antiracism. Yet they claim every single federal department and agency is systemically racist!

Maybe it's the Left that causes and incites racism.

[I am Groot]

On 9/20/2025 at 8:26 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

It's not an invasion if they're welcomed.  The question is who wants this many immigrants, besides businesses (who would logically want the maximum number possible to increase profits)?

Demographic trends clearly show that western societies are trending towards extinction and are in need of immigration from non-western countries to replace them as their populations shrink.  This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just basic math based on our reproduction rates.

But a low birth rate is the product of both culture and economics. The government could try to make it easier for couples to have children. Instead, it's making it harder by pouring in millions of immigrants to lower wages and increase housing and other costs. Reproductive rates can be reversed. And the doom and gloom talk of what happens if the population decreases for a few decades does not appear born out in reality. New studies show a diminishing population could be a good thing, despite some short-term economic turmoil.

 

On 9/20/2025 at 9:02 PM, Michael Hardner said:

But the core objection is a conspiracy schemed to lower the wages for working people.  

(That's the leftist part.)

The Liberals bragged about holding wages down with high immigration and foreign workers only a couple of years back.

[I am Groot]

On 9/21/2025 at 9:39 AM, Barquentine said:

Canada's population today is about 40,000,000. In 2023, there were approximately 20.3 million people employed in Canada.

Now tell me how Canada is better today for having double the population.

[I am Groot]

On 9/21/2025 at 9:21 PM, herbie said:

"Our values" are nowhere near your values as is abundantly clear.
You may have some sympathy from those believing immigrants are affecting housing, but you can shove your 'our culture', 'our beliefs' and invasion bullshit right up your tight white asses. Move south and join the Klan with that attitude,

A part of me, just a small part, can't wait until the non-white immigrants, the ones we've urged not to integrate, told our culture is shit, and told to keep their own culture, start stomping on the things the Canadian Left has held dear for decades. Gay marriage? No longer recognized. Gay rights? Gone. Women's rights? Gone. Antiracism programs to ensure equitable hiring? Once they're the majority - gone. Sorry, white boy, we only hire good Indians/Pakistanis/Muslims/Chinese. Freedom of speech? Gone. Though I doubt the Left will miss it, as they despised it so much. 

Then herbie and the rest of the left will fume and fulminate and take to the streets to discover the police are no longer the kind and gentle type who stand by as you occupy buildings and close down roads. Now they'll kick your ass and throw you into jail. Oh, the Charter will protect you? Think again. Didn't protect the convoy clowns and it'll protect you even less in the new Canada.

[I am Groot]

On 9/21/2025 at 11:29 PM, BeaverFever said:

BREAKING NEWS:  Visible Minorities don’t experience discrimination if they’re immigrants

Omg even for the National Post this article is bad

Visible minorities are mostly the ones discriminating against others. They come from countries where extreme misogyny, racism, homophobia, and religious bigotry are the societal norm. And we've told them not to bother trying to assimilate or change their culture. 

The point that went over your empty head is that statistical evidence about different outcomes for different groups fail utterly when those groups were born and raised in foreign cultures, with foreign interests and foreign educations. They don't necessarily want what we want, nor have the skills, including language skills, to get it if they do. It's pretty basic sense, except for the Left, who don't have any.

[I am Groot]

On 9/22/2025 at 1:17 PM, Michael Hardner said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_statistics

Someone asked for some interracial crime statistics.

Based on the numbers on the wikipedia page above, and assuming populations of 41M African-Americans and 212M Caucasian Americans, black folks are 3X more likely to be murdered by a white person than a white person is to be murdered by a black person (2 murders per million and 6 per million respectively)

To put it as kindly as I can, you have WILDLY misread the statistics. 

 

Edited September 25, 2025 by I am Groot

[cougar]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

But with the traitorous white politicians that the people of Europe have to deal with and blame for this illegal mess, it will be hard to stop it. 

White?  Those people of color are now in key government positions there and in Canada.  Then they advocate for their own former nations . culture and people, opening the flood gates for all of them.

It is insane to insist on multiculturalism and how this makes us stronger!   We are already messed up beyond repair.

[I am Groot]

On 9/22/2025 at 4:20 PM, eyeball said:

I'm pretty sure that cost was supposed to come in the form of less economic disparity for everyone ie, in the form of better wages stemming from investments in productivity, education, skills development, innovation etc.

Instead economic disparity is rising in Canada, reaching record highs in 2025 according to Statistics Canada.

I doubt it gets better at all now. Only worse.

Gee, fancy that. You keep bringing in millions of poor people from the third world who have few hopes of ever getting out of poverty and somehow inequality rises! Wow!

 

Edited September 24, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 9/22/2025 at 4:37 PM, Army Guy said:

Are you suggesting that Citizen is not a Canadian ? What standard are we using here ?

How about you stop suggesting he is not Canadian and does not have the best interests of Canada at heart....This is his Canadian opinion and has a fellow Canadian you have no right to tell him anything different...

He is merely mocking him as the Left does to any complaint about DEI, immigration and multiculturalism. They are not capable of accepting much less debating such concepts. They're like religious values that are so tightly constricting their minds they can't imagine they could be wrong.

 

On 9/22/2025 at 4:37 PM, Army Guy said:

For a guy that used to be the voice of reason on this forum , you missed all of that in your response here...

Whenever Michael's cherished leftist social views are challenged, he tends to get smarmy.

Edited September 24, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Sooo you're saying the entire DEI thing is just a spiteful way for the Left to taunt the Right and increase division and serves no useful purpose?

No, I said it serves the purpose of making fewer people vote for the right. DEI is just affirmative action...something that's been with us for decades that you people suddenly decided needed to be made into a huge issue. You look and sound like complete mòrons when you do.

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And yet you have ZERO evidence of it. None. All this talk of 'systemic' racism just means 'we can't find any but we know it's there!"

I didn't mean systemic racism I meant ordinary racism. It's all over the place. Virtually everyone is a racist nowadays.

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And I note that the places that are most certain there's massive racism are the places the Left have been running for decades.

Of course that's what you note.

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe it's the Left that causes and incites racism.

As I've suggested before imagine if the left and right were races.

Note Bele, on the left wearing the necklace, is hunting political traitors.

[I am Groot]

On 9/22/2025 at 5:02 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

You totally miss the point of DEI.  What does it bring to the table..... It's about including everyone regardless of their ethnicity, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation,

Or competence. Yes, we get it. It's about elevating people who would not otherwise qualify because they're just not as good as others. The Liberal cabinet being an excellent example.

[I am Groot]

On 9/22/2025 at 6:12 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Excellent example. Compare Poland with France, Germany or UK and see the difference. 

No hordes of homeless migrants in the streets. No terrorist incidents. Low crime rate. Low rate of sexual assault. Fewer divisions in society. More unity.

[I am Groot]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, I said it serves the purpose of making fewer people vote for the right.

But it's doing the exact opposite all over the Western world. Throughout Europe, the far right are thriving due to the mass immigration and policies in place. France might soon wind up with a far-right government, and that would probably crash the EU altogether. Even so, the French government won't even consider changing its laws to kick out all the unwanted, illegal migrants.

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

DEI is just affirmative action...something that's been with us for decades that you people suddenly decided needed to be made into a huge issue.

DEI isn't a huge issue when used with restraint and there's a very small number of people subject to it. When half the country now benefits from it at the expense of the other half, it's unsurprising that the other half will start getting angry.

[eyeball]

On 9/20/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

It's not an invasion if they're welcomed.  The question is who wants this many immigrants, besides businesses (who would logically want the maximum number possible to increase profits)?

Economists who logically said we need to increase our population to ensure our economy continues growing.

On 9/20/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Demographic trends clearly show that western societies are trending towards extinction and are in need of immigration from non-western countries to replace them as their populations shrink.  This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just basic math based on our reproduction rates.

It's also based on our economic needs that other trends have been leading towards for decades.

Why you people decided now would be a good time to get all reactionary about it is entirely political, ideological and way to late.

On 9/20/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Banning or limiting immigration isn't even going to do anything other than delaying the inevitable.  Westerners have decided they don't want enough children to sustain their societies and nothing will change until that changes.

You people have had decades to produce millions of new people but you haven't, why? I suspect a lot of you are to old now but it still begs the question. Why all the regrets now?

On 9/20/2025 at 7:34 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't have ideological loyalties, that's for children rooting for their favorite sports team, I'm loyal to the truth.

Well the truth is we've been operating on the fact we need more people or our economy will stop growing and then we'll all die.

It is what it is.

Or is it? Maybe we're operating on a belief, a myth, a misperception, misplaced concreteness.

Maybe the economy doesn't need to grow at all.

[eyeball]

43 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Gee, fancy that. You keep bringing in millions of poor people from the third world who have few hopes of ever getting out of poverty and somehow inequality rises! Wow!

I didn't bring them in. I have a long record around here in support of reducing our population growth.

Economic inequality has increased because there's too many people working overtime to keep the world safe for capitalists.

Don't you put this on me.

 

Edited September 24, 2025 by eyeball