More Of Carney's Great Negotiating talent - China slaps 75.8 percent tariff on canola

[CdnFox]

China adds ‘additional pressure’ with new tariffs on Canadian canola | Globalnews.ca

Continuing to prove what a GREAT negotiator he is, Carney has managed to p*ss off the Chinese to the point where they're slapping crippling tariffs on Canadian Canola. 

This is brutal for our farmers right as harvest season is starting.  And it's not like we didn't know it was coming, but Carney did nothing and now our farmers are going to get clobbered. 

Yet another tariff trade deal where 'no deal is better than a bad deal' i guess... except no deal IS a bad deal

 

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

China adds ‘additional pressure’ with new tariffs on Canadian canola | Globalnews.ca

Continuing to prove what a GREAT negotiator he is, Carney has managed to p*ss off the Chinese to the point where they're slapping crippling tariffs on Canadian Canola. 

This is brutal for our farmers right as harvest season is starting.  And it's not like we didn't know it was coming, but Carney did nothing and now our farmers are going to get clobbered. 

Yet another tariff trade deal where 'no deal is better than a bad deal' i guess... except no deal IS a bad deal

 

Canada's tariffs on China are a result of catering to your hero Herr Trump. If Carney lifts tariffs on China, Canada will be punished by Herr Trump and you will dump on Carney for that. Win win for you but not for your country.

Edited August 14, 2025 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Canada's tariffs on China are a result of catering to your hero Herr Trump.

Carney was asked to take them off and he insisted on keeping them on. 

So you're saying that Carney does what he's told by trump? Yeah.  We know.  That's the problem. 

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Win win for you but not for your country.

It didn't have to be that way you know... As Somalia is a soverign country so shall be Canada, just like you all wanted.

Edited August 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[August1991]

Some English-Canadians believe that they have a special relationship with Americans.

French-Canadians know otherwise.

[paxamericana]

27 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Some English-Canadians believe that they have a special relationship with Americans.

French-Canadians know otherwise.

America does not discriminate, we view all Canadians with equal contempt. 

[herbie]

More Of CdnFox's Great Posting talent

Attempts to blame Carney for Chinese decisions. 
Why not, Trudeau is to blame for American tariffs, not the Orange Oaf, right?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

America does not discriminate, we view all Canadians with equal contempt. 

Quebec DOES discriminate.  They hate us, but they REALLY hate you   

[Barquentine]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

America does not discriminate, we view all Canadians with equal contempt.

Then why do you hang out in the Canadian forum every day? Secret jealousy? I respectfully invite you to Phuck off.

Edited August 14, 2025 by Barquentine
grammar

[Barquentine]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Continuing to prove what a GREAT negotiator he is, Carney has managed to p*ss off the Chinese to the point where they're slapping crippling tariffs on Canadian Canola. 

If only it were that simple...

https://opencanada.org/china-canada-relations  11 July, 2025
"Chinese Academy of Social Sciences also elide the reality that the hardening of Canadian policy has been driven primarily by public opinion and government assessments that the CCP’s agenda and actions are harmful to Canada’s interests, rather than by ideology or American pressure.

Canada’s growing threat perception is due to China’s support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, regional aggression, cyberattacks, espionage, transnational repression, mercantilist economic policies, and “wolf warrior” diplomacy.

Foreign (Chinese) interference sparked a series of formal Canadian inquiries, heavy media attention and the expulsion of a Chinese diplomat. But all that passes unmentioned in recent Chinese commentary.

Chinese counterparts had found Stephen Harper difficult to deal with because of “his notorious anti-China stance” according to a People’s Daily article that called him a “stubborn donkey”.

China’s state-supported EV exports create complex dilemmas: they offer consumers cheaper vehicles and policymakers a means to reach net zero emissions and other green transition goals more quickly and affordably. But they also threaten to decimate Canada’s legacy automotive sector and stymie efforts to foster an infant domestic EV industry. Hence the tariffs are not only a signal of North American solidarity, but also a necessary policy alignment to prevent cut-price Chinese EVs diverted from the US being dumped in Canada. Canadian national security officials also share American cybersecurity concerns about connected vehicles running Chinese software."

Yeah this sucks big time, but it's not a surprise.

The World's economy is a series of games of political Jenga. Pull the wrong block and a pile crashes. Better to not pull a block in many cases. Better no deal than a bad deal.

 

 

 

[paxamericana]

34 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

The World's economy is a series of games of political Jenga. Pull the wrong block and a pile crashes.

Trump has been warning about this exact issue with regards to global trade and Chyna. America is going to be a manufacturing powerhouse. There is room for Canada to come along in the 51st seat. Alternatively you can sit this one out and deindustrialize like the sovereign nation of Sub Saharan Africa.
 

59 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

why do you hang out in the Canadian forum

Because unlike Canada, America has freedom. It is my duty then to spread freedom to Canadians. "To whom much is given, much is expected"

Edited August 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Carney was asked to take them off and he insisted on keeping them on. 

So you're saying that Carney does what he's told by trump? Yeah.  We know.  That's the problem. 

Chinas retaliation is a result of our tariff on Chinese electric vehicles and their claim of Canada dumping canola..

Read your own link before you make stupid uninformed statements (as usual) LOL

"Last year, Ottawa imposed its tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles and 25 per cent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum. Beijing retaliated with 100 per cent tariffs on Canadian canola meal and oil. China’s latest move on canola seed now means all canola products face levies."

Edited August 14, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Boges]

So we remove the tariffs on Chinese EVs? Please, lets do that now. Especially if the toddler in charge of the US insists he doesn't want Canadian-made cars. 

Do we go to 45/47 and say, remove the tariff on Canadian built cars and parts or do we allow China to flood the market with EVs that are better and cheaper than what's on the market now. 

I just got a new EV, It was made in Mexico. It's great, but was definitely expensive. I'm leasing it because I'm making a bet that by the time this Lease is done, if not before, I'll be in the market for a BYD. 

This is the problem with tariffs, it lets governments pick winners and losers in different industries.

Also the Big Three have admitted they're profitability is being killed by these tariffs. It's only a matter of time before TACO has to back down or car companies we do want have to substantially raise prices.  

Edited August 14, 2025 by Boges

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

So we remove the tariffs on Chinese EVs? Please, lets do that now. Especially if the toddler in charge of the US insists he doesn't want Canadian-made cars. 

Do we go to 45/47 and say, remove the tariff on Canadian built cars and parts or do we allow China to flood the market with EVs that are better and cheaper than what's on the market now. 

I just got a new EV, It was made in Mexico. It's great, but was definitely expensive. I'm leasing it because I'm making a bet that by the time this Lease is done, if not before, I'll be in the market for a BYD. 

This is the problem with tariffs, it lets governments pick winners and losers in different industries.

Also the Big Three have admitted they're profitability is being killed by these tariffs. It's only a matter of time before TACO has to back down or car companies we do want have to substantially raise prices.  

Interesting scenario with auto industry....  Have thought of that possibility with China, but can't see how the Canadian auto industry would benefit with Chinese vehicles coming into our market.  End of the day there are too many multi-billion dollar investments in Canada and the NA auto industry to walk away from because of Trump's asinine policies.  Only a matter of time before this is sorted out as he tries to save face.

[Boges]

15 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Interesting scenario with auto industry....  Have thought of that possibility with China, but can't see how the Canadian auto industry would benefit with Chinese vehicles coming into our market.  End of the day there are too many multi-billion dollar investments in Canada and the NA auto industry to walk away from because of Trump's asinine policies.  Only a matter of time before this is sorted out as he tries to save face.

But as we see here, China is using it's leverage as a buyer of a Canadian product to inflict damage on another industry. 

There are no easy answers here. But protecting the Big 3 seems like a relic of the past. 

And when people crow about how EVs need government help to remain competitive, look at what's happening here. The Canadian government is propping up domestic automotive production, even in the face of insulting rhetoric coming from the US to keep Chinese EVs off the market. 

How is that not an indirect subsidy of ICE manufacturing?

Edited August 14, 2025 by Boges

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

But as we see here, China is using it's leverage as a buyer of a Canadian product to inflict damage on another industry. 

There are no easy answers here. But protecting the Big 3 seems like a relic of the past. 

And when people crow about how EVs need government help to remain competitive, look at what's happening here. The Canadian government is propping up domestic automotive production, even in the face of insulting rhetoric coming from the US to keep Chinese EVs off the market. 

How is that not an indirect subsidy of ICE manufacturing. 

Bang on...  no easy answers here.  The challenge/problem the Federal government has is the ~500K people directly or indirectly employed in the sector, which is also a Big 3 and others problem.  EV or ICE, I can't believe that there won't be a mutually beneficial agreement before long with the US.  It's hurting them and us and at some point common sense will prevail.

[Shady]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

Canada's tariffs on China are a result of catering to your hero Herr Trump. If Carney lifts tariffs on China, Canada will be punished by Herr Trump and you will dump on Carney for that. Win win for you but not for your country.

Canada’s EV tariffs on china, implemented in October 2024 are because of Trump? 😂😂😂

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Eff China

[Boges]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Carney was asked to take them off and he insisted on keeping them on. 

So you're saying that Carney does what he's told by trump? Yeah.  We know.  That's the problem. 

It's not because of Trump.

Carney and JT before him are trying to protect the Canadian auto industry. Lots of jobs in vote-rich Ontario. Now with Trump attacking those jobs himself it becomes much more complicated. 

I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time before our market is dominated by Chinese EVs. 

I just don't know the financial implications of turning our back on the domestic auto industry. But Trump's rhetorical is making such a move more likely. 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's not because of Trump.

Carney and JT before him are trying to protect the Canadian auto industry. Lots of jobs in vote-rich Ontario. Now with Trump attacking those jobs himself it becomes much more complicated. 

I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time before our market is dominated by Chinese EVs. 

I just don't know the financial implications of turning our back on the domestic auto industry. But Trump's rhetorical is making such a move more likely. 

One thing we could do if we really cared is eliminate the industrial carbon tax, which acts like a self imposed tariff, and makes our goods more expensive.  That's what we would do if we actually thought this was a potential crisis.  That's how you know Carney doesn't really think it's a crisis.  Or, he's just such a fanatic that he won't do that regardless of the negative economic consequences on Canadian industry like steel and auto sectors.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

One thing we could do if we really cared is eliminate the industrial carbon tax, which acts like a self imposed tariff, and makes our goods more expensive.  That's what we would do if we actually thought this was a potential crisis.  That's how you know Carney doesn't really think it's a crisis.  Or, he's just such a fanatic that he won't do that regardless of the negative economic consequences on Canadian industry like steel and auto sectors.

That doesn't help Canola farmers.

If that sector is dependent on China and they use Chinese EVs as leverage, there's not a lot we can do but find a new market for Canola. 

OR

Realize that the auto industry we're protecting is not worth the cost. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

If only it were that simple...

https://opencanada.org/china-canada-relations  11 July, 2025
"Chinese Academy of Social Sciences also elide the reality that the hardening of Canadian policy has been driven primarily by public opinion and government assessments that the CCP’s agenda and actions are harmful to Canada’s interests, rather than by ideology or American pressure.

Canada’s growing threat perception is due to China’s support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, regional aggression, cyberattacks, espionage, transnational repression, mercantilist economic policies, and “wolf warrior” diplomacy.

Foreign (Chinese) interference sparked a series of formal Canadian inquiries, heavy media attention and the expulsion of a Chinese diplomat. But all that passes unmentioned in recent Chinese commentary.

Chinese counterparts had found Stephen Harper difficult to deal with because of “his notorious anti-China stance” according to a People’s Daily article that called him a “stubborn donkey”.

China’s state-supported EV exports create complex dilemmas: they offer consumers cheaper vehicles and policymakers a means to reach net zero emissions and other green transition goals more quickly and affordably. But they also threaten to decimate Canada’s legacy automotive sector and stymie efforts to foster an infant domestic EV industry. Hence the tariffs are not only a signal of North American solidarity, but also a necessary policy alignment to prevent cut-price Chinese EVs diverted from the US being dumped in Canada. Canadian national security officials also share American cybersecurity concerns about connected vehicles running Chinese software."

Yeah this sucks big time, but it's not a surprise.

The World's economy is a series of games of political Jenga. Pull the wrong block and a pile crashes. Better to not pull a block in many cases. Better no deal than a bad deal.

 

 

 

No, sorry, it was 100 percent about trump. 

 

I think we can agree bloomberg is a less bias source. 

It was introduced hand in hand in tandem with the us and the gov't has been pretty clear that its to protect us companies against chinese trade. 

So swing and a miss. 

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The World's economy is a series of games of political Jenga. Pull the wrong block and a pile crashes. Better to not pull a block in many cases. Better no deal than a bad deal.

 

But we did pull the block and Carney lost the Jenga game. 

He didn't have a plan to deal with the Chinese when he bowed to trump's requirement for the tariff, he wasn't able to negotiate with them or prevent a crippling counter tariff. he failed.  And if it was his only failure then fine, you don't win them all, but he isn't winning ANY of them. 

AND NO DEAL IS A BAD DEAL! It doesn't get worse than this!  We've got a massive tariff hurting our farmers, we've got NOTHING for it and all it does is keep someone happy who is ALSO saddling us with crippling tariffs! 

This is your idea of "NOT"  a bad deal? you're insane!  We are currently deep into 'bad deal' territory!!

What the hell is it going to take for you to admit that we are in trouble and carney is not doing anything to get us out of it?

What do you see changing in the next 6 months that's going to pull us out of this economic nosedive? If we're into a serious recession with people out of work and unable to buy food do you think they're going to be able to eat the phrase a bad deal is better than no deal? Because it might be all they have left

[Shady]

Pierre is dog walking Carney. 😂😂😂

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

Pierre is dog walking Carney. 😂😂😂

 

 

Pierre....   Is that the guy who lost his seat in the house and had to travel to some obscure riding in AB in hopes of getting it back?

Thanks goodness for him....  Carney probably had no idea there was canola trade from the Prairie provinces.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/13/2025 at 6:54 PM, Aristides said:

Canada's tariffs on China are a result of catering to your hero Herr Trump. If Carney lifts tariffs on China, Canada will be punished by Herr Trump and you will dump on Carney for that. Win win for you but not for your country.

Aristedes: in case you didn't notice, your "elbows up" loser has been a dismal failure. 

While Trudeau and Carney were in the PMO, the Canadian economy has been THRASHED by our allies and geopolitical adversaries alike. Period. 

Carney didn't have to F with China just because he was getting bullied by Trump. Carney doesn't have the brains and the finesse to get anything done for Canada. We are just getting pummelled from every side. 

Edited August 15, 2025 by WestCanMan