Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

1 .I assure you, I spent a pretty fair amount of time on your points.  And the points of others.

Not the same amount of time I've spent researching medical studies and reading papers by virologists, epidemiologists, vaccinologists, etc for the covid scam.  But yes, plenty of time.

2. I see the same thing happening with climate.

3. As I said before - you are the one making extreme claims and proposing extreme solutions.

4. The onus is on YOU to prove your points.

5. At this point in time - I believe you've been "had".  Like you were with covid.

1. You missed my point. My point was that I didn't ask you for 1 hour, but only for a few minutes. I don't see the need to spend an hour, nor would I ask you to spend that long. 

2. Vicious censoring? There's lots of anti-climate stuff out there. It's quoted on these Pages regularly.  And that's got nothing to do with The research and approach of sound. 

It's about the politics, I think. 

3. Like what? You said you just finished reading my points. Tell me: What is Extreme? 

4. Yeah I gave you my points and you read them. For you to say.... There were people who censor anti-climate change claims has got nothing to do with what I wrote.

5. I survived covid fine. But again that's got nothing to do with this.  

 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

5. I survived covid fine.

Most did.  The IFR was only slightly higher than the seasonal flu, which mysteriously disappeared for those few years.

Which is why I don't trust your critical thinking ability.  Sorry.  You're easily led.  And gullible.

But I do often check out your climate posts, as I am spending a bit more time on it now.  It's just that I like to compare it to the counterarguments and weigh them both.  I don't think you do that at all.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

1. Which is why I don't trust your critical thinking ability.  Sorry.  You're easily led.  And gullible.

2. But I do often check out your climate posts, as I am spending a bit more time on it now. 

3. It's just that I like to compare it to the counterarguments and weigh them both.  I don't think you do that at all.

1. Okay. I like you so I'm not going to make counter claims about how you come to your beliefs. It's got nothing to do with my argument, yet again 

2. Thanks for your attention 

3. I've spent countless hours on here looking at counter arguments, lots of them. From the top of mind, there's claims about satellite alignment, ground stations, other sources of carbon, mathematical errors in papers, as well as other theories like cosmic rays and the climate iris by Richard Lindzen.

If, on here, We were all just arguing facts, I feel I would have a lot more people having faith in my intellectual honesty and acknowledging my points. It almost never happens. People just take a personal stake in disagreeing with me and don't like my abrupt style.  That's my takeaway.

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Are you going to comment on my points that you looked at or not?

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

This is exactly what I'm talking about the absolute dehumanization of anyone who questions. 

Except scientists question all the time. It’s literally their job.  They try and prove each other wrong constantly.  
 

It’s not skeptical to question the entire field of science, it’s literally batpoop crazy to think there is a worldwide conspiracy among every reputable scientist on the entire planet. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Climate change is man made and unequivocal.  Not much more to be said beyond that....

Lol...

"IMOTEEEEB...IMOTEEEEB..."

Edited August 24, 2025 by Nationalist

[Goddess]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are you going to comment on my points that you looked at or not?

Possibly later.  I do often think about things before responding.

I'm also a bit busy today.  But I'll try.

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It’s not skeptical to question the entire field of science

When have I questioned an entire field of science?  On the contrary, the pandemic should have taken in many fields of science and I have made posts on literally all of them - from biology, virology, epidemiology, particulate science, public health science, vaccinology, medical ethics, economists, education experts - literally I've posted on all of this.

You have not done this.

You need to shut up now.  You have nothing to offer, you never have, through all of this.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

When have I questioned an entire field of science?  On the contrary, the pandemic should have taken in many fields of science and I have made posts on literally all of them - from biology, virology, epidemiology, particulate science, public health science, vaccinology, medical ethics, economists, education experts - literally I've posted on all of this.

@Michael Hardner

I feel the same about looking at the climate as I do about the pandemic.  

Had the authorities involved ALL branches of science that applied to the situation (as the world's pandemic plans all recommended prior to covid), better decisions would have been made.  Instead, everything was handed over to Public Health officials, who advised governments.  Public Health officials have no interest in the economy, children's education, they are not experts in any of the above sciences.

With climate, you said here that you will not take into account anyone but actual "climate scientists."  If you had taken the one hour to watch the video, you would see that geology, biology, botany and many other sciences are involved in climate predicting.  What does the geological record show?  What do we learn about past climate from plants, especially ancient species? When you dismiss all the other sciences, you don't get a fully round picture. 

And that's when bad decisions are made.

Hope that makes sense.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

@Michael Hardner

1. Public Health officials have no interest in the economy, children's education, they are not experts in any of the above sciences.

2. With climate, you said here that you will not take into account anyone but actual "climate scientists." 

3. If you had taken the one hour to watch the video, you would see that geology, biology, botany and many other sciences are involved in climate predicting.  What does the geological record show?  What do we learn about past climate from plants, especially ancient species? When you dismiss all the other sciences, you don't get a fully round picture. 

4. And that's when bad decisions are made. Hope that makes sense.

1. Well, specialization is a thing, but a bunch of the stuff I read about the pandemic is hindsight. Given my experience debating 9/11, conspiracies and climate on here. I'm not interested in spending the time in debating pandemic response. 

2. Not really. I do entertain discussions on here from people who aren't experts, and we look into other areas like the economics and so on. Also non-climate scientist folks publish papers from time to time. 

3. It's a broad brush. What is the geological record? Trying to tell us? What is botany trying to tell us? What have they published that challenges? The current thinking on climate change? 

Oftentimes with these videos, you get people who haven't published anything. They spend their time making videos rather than making a case to the scientists. 

4. Decisions are made at the political level.  Remember on here we had people saying for years that the climate wasn't warming, then that humans weren't causing it?  I do.  And nothing changed with the science.

[robosmith]

On 8/23/2025 at 7:54 AM, Nationalist said:

I've already hashed this out with Mike. Perhaps you weren't paying attention. So just for you, Muffin.

https://www.hoover.org/research/flawed-climate-models

So you have a biotech "consultant," and a professor of economics and you PRETEND they're experts on climate science. LMAO

On 8/23/2025 at 7:54 AM, Nationalist said:

And...

https://climatecosmos.com/climate-news/why-do-climate-models-keep-getting-it-wrong/

These are just a couple of the plentiful refutations of the existing doom's day models.

Now...since you insist that punishing the population with inflationary chickenshit...prove this chickenshit is necessary. 

Henrieke Otte M.Sc., Author at Climate Cosmos

Climate Cosmos

https://climatecosmos.com › author › kathleen-westbrook

 

Henrieke Otte is an accomplished writer and content editor, specializing in topics that inspire thoughtful living—ranging from global travel and sustainable lifestyles to interior design and architecture. With a keen editorial sense and a background in cultural studies, Henrieke brings depth, elegance, and clarity to every piece she crafts.

Her work is known for its engaging voice, visual sensitivity, and ability to turn complex ideas into accessible, reader-friendly narratives. Whether exploring eco-conscious destinations, dissecting climate-conscious home trends, or curating serene living spaces, Henrieke writes with a balance of creativity and insight that resonates with design-savvy, environmentally aware audiences.

Driven by a love of meaningful storytelling and a refined aesthetic, Henrieke contributes regularly to digital platforms and magazines where quality content meets visual sophistication.

None of your authors are experts in Climate Science and you pretend your reading is as valid as actual journals publishing climate RESEARCH. LMAO

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Nope.

You're the one making extreme claims and proposing extreme solutions that are bankrupting everyone but the billionaires.

The onus is on YOU to prove it.

Far from it. I am posting the conclusions of CLIMATE EXPERTS. See my thread on Antarctica

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

I assure you, I spent a pretty fair amount of time on your points.  And the points of others.

Not the same amount of time I've spent researching medical studies and reading papers by virologists, epidemiologists, vaccinologists, etc for the covid scam.  But yes, plenty of time.

Here's my thing - both covid and climate are areas where insane amounts of money have been spent, to the point of almost no return for the world's economies.  To the point of harm being done.

With covid, the massive amount of money spent, the overreaction, the models that vastly overestimated and then were used to justify the massive overreaction, the scare tactics, the coercion, the falsification of data, the vicious censoring of anyone who questions or disagrees.....all of it.....I see the same thing happening with climate.

Both are more than worthy of more than just a cursory glance.  The (over?)reactions to climate will have massive implications, probably more so than the covid overreactions.

As I said before - you are the one making extreme claims and proposing extreme solutions.

The onus is on YOU to prove your points.

At this point in time - I believe you've been "had".  Like you were with covid.

So you're not aware of the millions of lives saved by COVID vaccines including 1 million here in the US according to EXPERTS.

Lives and life-Years Saved From COVID-19 Vaccination

JAMA

https://jamanetwork.com › JAMA Health Forum

 

by JPA Ioannidis · 2025 · Cited by 8 — The overall benefit corresponds to 1 death averted per 5400 vaccine doses and 1 life-year saved per 900 vaccine doses. Numbers needed to treat ...

 

Risks of Cuts to mRNA Vaccine Development | Johns Hopkins

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

https://publichealth.jhu.edu › risks-of-cuts-to-mrna-vacci...

 

Aug 13, 2025 — mRNA vaccine technology has huge potential for treating not just infectious diseases but cancer and many chronic diseases—advances that may ...

 

mRNA COVID vaccines saved lives and won a Nobel

Nature

https://www.nature.com › news explainer

 

Oct 3, 2023 — In just three short years, mRNA vaccines have saved millions of lives, achieved household recognition and, as of this week, become the subject of a Nobel prize.

 

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@Goddess

Not many climate-religious can make a post without invoking Orangemanbad. He's the lynchpin to every argument. 

As to "the science"...it was warped and wrong in so many ways about The Rona...and it's very much the same for the climate religion.

All hijacked by politicians.

YOU never studied nor are degreed in biological science, esp NOT mRNA vaccines, so your OPINIONS mean NOTHING.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

It's covered in the video, if you care to have a look.  Start at about 55:00 (I think 55:15 or 55:16, those seconds spent understanding the other side are sooooo precious to you.)

That's just a start.  There are plenty of censored, defunded scientists who have testified to the corruption.

You are free to dismiss them out of hand, of course.

Do you know anything about celestial mechanics?

Your video starts with an absurd claim about the solar system traversing the spiral arms of the Milky Way.

It has been prove relatively recently that the entire galaxy orbits the center at a CONSTANT angular velocity due to dark matter. AKA independent of the distance from the center. That means we a always stuck in the same spiral arm and your video STARTS WITH A LIE. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...

"IMOTEEEEB...IMOTEEEEB..."

WTF are you BABBLING ABOUT? LMAO

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 

It has been prove relatively recently that the entire galaxy orbits the center at a CONSTANT angular velocity due to dark matter.  

The best way to counter a claim is to find the paper where it's published, and find what was reviewed.

I remember one of the celestial claims was countered when it was determined that temperature is not increasing on other planets.

[TreeBeard]

7 hours ago, Goddess said:

When have I questioned an entire field of science? 

Whenever you believe batshit crazy conspiracies, like the vaccine nonsense you spout and the climate change deniers, you’re questioning entire fields of scientific knowledge.  When you believe non-experts over people actually doing the science, you’re not being skeptical, you’re being delusional at best.  A liar at worst. 

 

7 hours ago, Goddess said:

On the contrary, the pandemic should have taken in many fields of science and I have made posts on literally all of them - from biology, virology, epidemiology, particulate science, public health science, vaccinology, medical ethics, economists, education experts - literally I've posted on all of this.

This sentence is gibberish.  The “pandemic” doesn’t take in anything.  

 

7 hours ago, Goddess said:

You need to shut up now.  You have nothing to offer, you never have, through all of this

🤣 This is what conspiracy people say to normal people who believe experts in various science fields.  We shouldn’t question the nutcases.  

Edited August 25, 2025 by TreeBeard

[robosmith]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The best way to counter a claim is to find the paper where it's published, and find what was reviewed.

I remember one of the celestial claims was countered when it was determined that temperature is not increasing on other planets.

Vera Rubin originated the idea due to observations

Quote

The idea that galaxies orbit their centers at a constant angular velocity is a concept derived from observational data, not the original paper asserting this. The original work pointing to this phenomenon, the flat rotation curves of galaxies, was pioneered by Vera Rubin in the 1970s, which suggested the presence of dark matter to explain the anomalous flat rotation curves. This observation, and subsequent studies by other astronomers like Ken Freeman, led to the conclusion that galaxies contain more mass than visible matter can account for. 

 

Key points

• Constant Angular Velocity:

  The phrase "constant angular velocity" or flat rotation curves describes how stars in the outer regions of a galaxy maintain a relatively constant orbital speed, rather than slowing down as predicted by Newtonian physics. 

   
• Inconsistency with Newtonian Physics:

  According to Newton's laws, stars further from the center should orbit slower because the gravitational pull decreases with distance. 

   
• Evidence for Dark Matter:

  The flat rotation curves indicate the presence of unseen mass (dark matter) extending far beyond the visible disk of the galaxy, providing the extra gravitational force to keep outer stars moving fast. 

   
• Original Contributions:

  • Vera Rubin: Her 1970s research using 21 cm radio observations provided strong evidence for flat rotation curves by showing that stars in the Andromeda galaxy moved too fast in their outer regions, contrary to predictions based on visible mass. 
     
  • Ken Freeman: In a 1970 paper, Freeman used similar techniques to compare theoretical predictions with observations and found that additional unseen matter was needed in the outer parts of spiral galaxies like M33 and NGC 300. 
     
• Implications:

  The discovery of flat rotation curves and the subsequent inference of dark matter revolutionized our understanding of galaxies and the universe, leading to the acceptance of dark matter as a significant component of galaxies and galaxy clusters. 

   

 

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

So you have a biotech "consultant," and a professor of economics and you PRETEND they're experts on climate science. LMAO

Henrieke Otte M.Sc., Author at Climate Cosmos

Climate Cosmos

https://climatecosmos.com › author › kathleen-westbrook

 

Henrieke Otte is an accomplished writer and content editor, specializing in topics that inspire thoughtful living—ranging from global travel and sustainable lifestyles to interior design and architecture. With a keen editorial sense and a background in cultural studies, Henrieke brings depth, elegance, and clarity to every piece she crafts.

Her work is known for its engaging voice, visual sensitivity, and ability to turn complex ideas into accessible, reader-friendly narratives. Whether exploring eco-conscious destinations, dissecting climate-conscious home trends, or curating serene living spaces, Henrieke writes with a balance of creativity and insight that resonates with design-savvy, environmentally aware audiences.

Driven by a love of meaningful storytelling and a refined aesthetic, Henrieke contributes regularly to digital platforms and magazines where quality content meets visual sophistication.

None of your authors are experts in Climate Science and you pretend your reading is as valid as actual journals publishing climate RESEARCH. LMAO

 

Dude...ur wrong again. 

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...ur wrong again. 

It's from YOUR POST, dropout

[LinkSoul60]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

All debunked long ago.

Try to keep up.

I'm sure they have been by the experts like RFKjr, sure.  

Vaccines save lives, including the covid vaccine. That's fact.

[LinkSoul60]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

100%, eh?

The dirty 30's - how was that man-made?  Industrialization hadn't started.

Things like the Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption had zero influence on climate, eh?  It's all man?  And ya, someone here said it will only affect for a few years and climate science is calculated over centuries.  But here's the problem:

The climate has changed drastically on its own over millennia, but now it changes 100% because of man?

And if a hotter year here or there means nothing, then why are there so many headlines screaming "HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD!  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIIIEEEEE!!"

According to the headlines, every place on earth is heating up faster than every other place.  How is that possible?

Is that some sort of argument?  Try reading beyond the contrarian news sites I'm guessing you have subscriptions with...

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...

"IMOTEEEEB...IMOTEEEEB..."

The facts have been posted numerous times in this thread.  Not hard to find, unless of course you enjoy the rock you're living under.

[Legato]

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Legato said:

FAKE MEMES are the fantasies of CHILDREN.