Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

We're talking about AGW and instead of evidence you seem to think reasonable doubt can be based on things like your feelings about Trump or some compulsive need to slander people.

Your doubts are unreasonable to the point of being ridiculous.

As I've pointed out before, in your case in particular, you will happily fry the planet simply for the shits and giggles you get from the opportunity it gives you to stick it to libbies.

Cute...my resistance is based on Trump...to stick it to Libbies...how intellectually lazy of you.

I slander people when they deserve it. Not sure you've noticed but, I have a rather porous filter. I call a spade a spade. In this case, I conclude that our climate has undergone a slow warming trend and there appears to be a number of reasons. 

Is there any evidence that panic is called for? No. Thus the population has figured it all out. That's what happens when you're caught fibbing regularly. You're credibility suffers. Especially when all your "solutions" do nothing to curb fossil fuels and cost way too much.

Thus is the "intellectual Libbie". All hot air...no real substance.

Edited August 27, 2025 by Nationalist

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 1. Mike we discussed this not more than 2 days ago. 

1. Please quote where I overestimated or estimated risk.

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Please quote where I overestimated or estimated risk.

Oh...well then my apologies. I thought you were saying we hadn't discussed the general issue.

Ok so...the climate has warmed about 1.5 Celsius. Correct? How many predictions by politicians have come to pass? None? Florida is still there last I checked...

What's the risk? Longer growing seasons?

Edited August 27, 2025 by Nationalist

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh...well then my apologies. I thought you were saying we hadn't discussed the general issue.

 

I started another thread about how to assess various mitigation approaches. 

 

The rest of your post is about things we talked about before.

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh...well then my apologies.  

Don't fret about that. 

Basically, I try, for the most part, to focus on a healthy public sphere which means good discussion. At the core, the problem is that various sides on important issues talk past each other. 

 

So on here I try to get people to mostly focus on whether something is happening, and whether mitigating human activity is in the realm of reality. 

That means when people say it's a conspiracy, that there are gross errors or incompetence on the science side... I try to find out where this came from.

And indeed most of the time the problem is not with the science but how it's reported and or discussed. 

Let's continue on that other thread.

Edited August 27, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

We're talking about AGW and

No, we're talking about GW and why cultists put an A in front of it. 

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Don't fret about that. 

Basically, I try, for the most part, to focus on a healthy public sphere which means good discussion.

🤮

Ok Miss Canada. 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/26/2025 at 11:45 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I think I see where you are going but 'proof' isn't required to act against a perceived risk or threat.

Safety, as an example, comes to mind as an analogy: you don't need proof that an accident is going to happen to take safety measures.

Another angle is that large complex phenomenon can't be 'proved' in the way a mathematical theorem is.  You can't 'prove' smoking causes lung cancer, for example

Where to start...

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I think I see where you are going but 'proof' isn't required to act against a perceived risk or threat.

Geez, I never figured you for a proponent of castle law.

TBH you have a point there though, regarding covid. We were never given a shred of proof that young, healthy Canadians stood to gain anything from a pseudovax, yet they were forced to take it. 

But is that an example of what you're saying be good, or bad? 

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Safety, as an example, comes to mind as an analogy: you don't need proof that an accident is going to happen to take safety measures.

What you're talking about is "voluntary safety measures", and conflating it with "gov't-mandated measures". 

You can wear a helmet to walk across the street if you want to, but right now the laws here don't compel you to. 

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Another angle is that large complex phenomenon can't be 'proved' in the way a mathematical theorem is.  You can't 'prove' smoking causes lung cancer, for example

FYI there's a threshold where a strong enough correlation actually does prove causation: statistics isn't as inexact a science as you seem to think.

At this point, I will ABSOLUTELY take the word of statisticians over "medical experts". 

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, we're talking about GW and why cultists put an A in front of it.

It's to denote the global warming humans are causing. You use cultist in place of science because you're a loon.

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's to denote the global warming humans are causing. You use cultist in place of science because you're a loon.

And you cultists worship trees.

It's why nobody takes your hysterical bullshit seriously. 

 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And you cultists worship trees.

I'm betting the only person on this forum who's cut down more trees than me is Nefarious Banana.

Mind you I've probably killed way more fish.

[robosmith]

On 8/26/2025 at 5:46 PM, Nationalist said:

Cute...my resistance is based on Trump...to stick it to Libbies...how intellectually lazy of you.

I slander people when they deserve it. Not sure you've noticed but, I have a rather porous filter. I call a spade a spade. In this case, I conclude that our climate has undergone a slow warming trend and there appears to be a number of reasons. 

Is there any evidence that panic is called for? No. Thus the population has figured it all out. That's what happens when you're caught fibbing regularly. You're credibility suffers. Especially when all your "solutions" do nothing to curb fossil fuels and cost way too much.

Thus is the "intellectual Libbie". All hot air...no real substance.

^This post is factually WRONG on several points, and you're so ignorant you STILL keep repeating them endlessly.

"That's what happens when you're caught fibbing regularly. YOUR credibility suffers." is destroyed.

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm betting the only person on this forum who's cut down more trees than me is Nefarious Banana.

Mind you I've probably killed way more fish.

And yet there you stand, under the pride flag, convulsing like a pronoun slut. 

I'm going to say bullshit.  

[eyeball]

Just now, Deluge said:

And yet there you stand, under the pride flag, convulsing like a pronoun slut. 

I'm going to say bullshit.

Yup, that's bullshit alright.

[robosmith]

On 8/27/2025 at 5:09 AM, Nationalist said:

Oh...well then my apologies. I thought you were saying we hadn't discussed the general issue.

Ok so...the climate has warmed about 1.5 Celsius. Correct? How many predictions by politicians have come to pass? None? Florida is still there last I checked...

What's the risk? Longer growing seasons?

MAJOR COASTAL FLOODING for ONE, IGNORAMUS.

Another already demonstrated is many more very strong hurricanes and resulting FLOODING and WIND DAMAGE.

How close are those WILD FIRES to YOU? LMAO

100MPH WINDS have destroyed whole cities.

Need I go on? You will just forget, so it's not worth my time. 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

MAJOR COASTAL FLOODING for ONE, IGNORAMUS.

Another already demonstrated is many more very strong hurricanes and resulting FLOODING and WIND DAMAGE.

How close are those WILD FIRES to YOU? LMAO

100MPH WINDS have destroyed whole cities.

Need I go on? You will just forget, so it's not worth my time. 

Historical Data:

Some studies of the Atlantic basin have not found strong evidence of an increase in major hurricane frequency or intensity over long periods (since the late 1800s). 

Natural Variability:

Factors like El Niño and La Niña conditions, which are part of large-scale weather patterns, also impact hurricane activity over an entire season. 

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

Historical Data:

Some studies of the Atlantic basin have not found strong evidence of an increase in major hurricane frequency or intensity over long periods (since the late 1800s). 

Natural Variability:

Factors like El Niño and La Niña conditions, which are part of large-scale weather patterns, also impact hurricane activity over an entire season. 

How many Category 5 hurricanes in the last 25 years? Most EVER.

List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes

Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › List_of_Category_5_A...

 

Officially, the decade with the most Category 5 hurricanes is 2000–2009, with eight Category 5 hurricanes having occurred: Isabel (2003), Ivan (2004), Emily ( ...

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[Deluge]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, that's bullshit alright.

Sorry, Tim.

You woke with the best of them and there's not a f*cking thing you can do to change that.  

[eyeball]

Just now, Deluge said:

You woke with the best of them and there's not a f*cking thing you can do to change that.

I would've if I could've...I was up at 4 this morning...

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I would've if I could've...I was up at 4 this morning...

To stop traffic and set cars on fire. 

What did you do after, wave the Ukraine flag on a freeway overpass? 

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

To stop traffic and set cars on fire. 

What did you do after, wave the Ukraine flag on a freeway overpass?

I ate breakfast. Warmed up the boat, then went to work.

There're no cars out here and the nearest overpass is well over a hundred miles away.

I take it you're still curled up in the back seat of your car.

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I ate breakfast. Warmed up the boat, then went to work.

There're no cars out here and the nearest overpass is well over a hundred miles away.

I take it you're still curled up in the back seat of your car.

Probably lives in a van down by the river.... LMAO

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I ate breakfast. Warmed up the boat, then went to work.

There're no cars out here and the nearest overpass is well over a hundred miles away.

I take it you're still curled up in the back seat of your car.

I see, you're a woke, salt of the earth kind of he/?/him.  

Yes, you and Tim Walls and Rachel Levine would all get along quite nicely.  

[eyeball]

On 8/26/2025 at 5:46 PM, Nationalist said:

Cute...my resistance is based on Trump...to stick it to Libbies...how intellectually lazy of you.

Just calling a spade a spade buddy. If you've got something more reasonable in the way of doubt let's see it 

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Probably lives in a van down by the river.... LMAO

Did you know that's a skit from SNL, dumbass? They weren't woke like you degenerates. 

Pretty funny stuff. 

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Just calling a spade a spade buddy. If you've got something more reasonable in the way of doubt let's see it 

Now don't be an a$$hole, comrade. Racism is not tolerated within that hive.  

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I see, you're a woke, salt of the earth kind of he/?/him.  

Definitely salty, yup.

Says Master on my ticket. Even says Master on the tickets of  women I work with.

Apparently woke still hasn't caught up with our industry. It would probably drive Tim and Rachel bonkers. Unless I'm mistaken Rachel's an Admiral too isn't it?