Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?

[Deluge]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'll start putting all of these types of responses under 'ridiciulous criteria for action '

2. Insult, again.

We're running out of substantive discussion points...

The moonbats have had what's getting to 300 years of serious industrial shit being pumped into the atmosphere. 

I gotta tell ya Mike, I'm just not feeling it. Man-made climate change is a hoax, and thank God the new administration agrees. 

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, well you are talking about GDP it seems.

2. Research never stops.

3. We're talking about when to switch energy sources.

 

 

1. No. We're talking about the cost of living.

2. Groovy. So if you dont mind...run along and research. In the meantime, we'll just remove the restrictive regulations and drill baby drill.

3. When it can be done rationally, with a source that is as reliable as fossil fuels.

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The moonbats have had what's getting to 300 years of serious industrial shit being pumped into the atmosphere. 

I gotta tell ya Mike, I'm just not feeling it. Man-made climate change is a hoax, and thank God the new administration agrees. 

Insult, followed by restating your opinion yet again with no actual evidence to discuss.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. No. We're talking about the cost of living.

2. Groovy. So if you dont mind...run along and research. In the meantime, we'll just remove the restrictive regulations and drill baby drill.

3. When it can be done rationally, with a source that is as reliable as fossil fuels.

1. The issue and fact don't justify the cost means aggregate coat not consumer cost.  Yes, they're related.

2. Research never stops.

3. Yes we're talking about this.

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Insult, followed by restating your opinion yet again with no actual evidence to discuss.

I don't need evidence. YOU need evidence. You're the ones making the claims. 

Edited August 25, 2025 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The issue and fact don't justify the cost means aggregate coat not consumer cost.  Yes, they're related.

2. Research never stops.

3. Yes we're talking about this.

1. From Google...

"The cost of living refers to the amount of money needed to maintain a certain standard of living, including expenses for housing, food, and other necessities. GDP, or Gross Domestic Product, measures the total economic output of a country, and when adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), it can provide insights into how living standards compare across different countries by accounting for cost of living differences."

The only relation here is they both have to do with finance.

3. What has been done has been a failure on many levels. It needs to stop.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Are you serious?

What does a transport company do when fuel costs rise?

What do businesses do when power costs rise?

Yes, very serious.  Are you?

Transport companies raise rates or apply a fuel surcharge when it increases noticeably.  If you haven't noticed though, the price of fuel has dropped to levels going back to 2021.  Do you believe this is because of 'climate change taxes and regulations' you referred to, or maybe a supply and demand scenario?

Businesses increase pricing as their costs increase.  Yes we have a corporate carbon tax, but do you not think that investments in power plants and infrastructure builds (or any investment) increase costs?  The renewable energy investment train started rolling down the tracks decades ago and is not going to suddenly stop so we can all go back to burning coal....or do you think this is the route to go for lesser inflation?

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Do any labs show the end result of man-made climate change? 

I think you leftoids better stop what you're doing right now and move directly to the caves. I'm sure the Earth doesn't appreciate YOUR contributions to climate crisis. 

Stay under your rock Deluge.  I know the earth and society in general appreciates it.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I don't need evidence. YOU need evidence. You're the ones making the claims. 

The evidence is there.

We already know why you don't accept it.

Nothing new in this post.

 

 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Stay under your rock Deluge.  

Because the Earth understands and appreciates the left's approach to raping in it? 

Are you more gentle? lol

Edited August 25, 2025 by Deluge

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1.  The only relation here is they both have to do with finance.

2. What has been done has been a failure on many levels. It needs to stop.

1. Ok, I would say they're both a drag on productivity but we're squabbling on this.  It means nothing to the overall discussion: we agree.

2. It has had an impact.  Remains to be seen if it's a failure 

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Because the Earth understands and appreciates the left's approach to raping in it? 

Are you more gentle? lol

What are you talking about?   The 'left' hasn't accelerated climate change, mankind has....

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, very serious.  Are you?

Transport companies raise rates or apply a fuel surcharge when it increases noticeably.  If you haven't noticed though, the price of fuel has dropped to levels going back to 2021.  Do you believe this is because of 'climate change taxes and regulations' you referred to, or maybe a supply and demand scenario?

Businesses increase pricing as their costs increase.  Yes we have a corporate carbon tax, but do you not think that investments in power plants and infrastructure builds (or any investment) increase costs?  The renewable energy investment train started rolling down the tracks decades ago and is not going to suddenly stop so we can all go back to burning coal....or do you think this is the route to go for lesser inflation?

1. I would say mostly caused by overbearing regulations and taxes. Demand is higher than ever.

2. Stop? No. Cut stifling regulations and taxes? Absolutely!

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, I would say they're both a drag on productivity but we're squabbling on this.  It means nothing to the overall discussion: we agree.

2. It has had an impact.  Remains to be seen if it's a failure 

 

 

1. The cost of living IS my point. Let's squabble. 

2. Tell that to all the new food bank users every week.

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Nationalist said:

1. The cost of living IS my point. Let's squabble. 

2. Tell that to all the new food bank users every week.

1. 2. Points taken 

 

I will add that if you purport to care about poverty then you should honestly care about inequality levels also.  Just saying.

Next we can research the economic case for Climate Change mitigation.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

1. I would say mostly caused by overbearing regulations and taxes. Demand is higher than ever.

2. Stop? No. Cut stifling regulations and taxes? Absolutely!

You would be incorrect.  Fuel prices are lower because of the imbalance in the supply and demand for crude oil driven by strong global oil supply and a global economic slowdown that has reduced demand for fuel.

What stifling regulations and taxes are you talking about?....be specific

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. The cost of living IS my point. Let's squabble. 

2. Tell that to all the new food bank users every week.

Not to highjack your conversation with Michael, but we have the same going on....

Yes, increased energy costs increase the price of most things in life and does impact inflation.  That said, forget about energy costs for a minute and consider how climate change affects inflation;

AI Overview

Yes, climate change does affect iby increasing the costs of goods and services, particularly food prices, due to supply disruptions from extreme weather events like droughts, floods, and storms. Research shows a correlation between rising global temperatures, increased weather volatility, and higher inflation rates, especially in hot and low-income regions. While impacts are often short-term, projections suggest they will become more persistent and significant as climate change intensifies. 

 

How Climate Change Drives Inflation

• Disrupted Supply Chains:

  Climate-related disasters, such as floods, heatwaves, and storms, damage agricultural productivity and disrupt supply chains, leading to reduced supply and higher food and raw material costs. 

   
• Increased Costs:

  The increasing frequency and intensity of extreme weather events lead to higher costs for businesses and consumers, including for energy, food, and insurance. 

   
• Regional Variations:

  The impact of climate shocks on inflation is not uniform; it is more pronounced in warmer, low-income countries where economies are more reliant on agriculture and have less capacity to absorb shocks. 

   

Evidence and Projections

• Research Findings:

  Studies, such as one published in Communications Earth & Environment, show that rising temperatures and extreme weather events are already contributing to higher inflation rates globally, according to Axios. 

   
• Future Projections:

  Without significant climate action, researchers project that annual food inflation could increase significantly by 2035 due to rising temperatures, leading to higher prices for consumers. 

   
• Economic Consequences:

  Beyond price instability, climate change can also lead to financial market stress, potentially reversing the stable economic conditions of the late 20th century and increasing overall economic volatility. 

[herbie]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The cost of living IS my point. Let's squabble. 

It costs twice as much to have separate systems for drinking water and sewage. Let's consider the cost of living!

And leprosy is perfectly natural, so why spend tax dollars to try to prevent or cure it?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Legato said:

You have no evidence that it's a fake, where's your proof. You Dunning Krugered a logical fallacy so your opinions mean nothing. Duh and a secondary Duh

[LMAO}See, no caps.[/LMAO}

It's FAKE until you prove it's NOT, because you have NO CREDIBILITY, clown.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Mike...I do not believe that you dont understand basic economics, so please stop playing games.

When all our energy costs rise, all costs rise. It's as simple as that.

No it's ONLY that SIMPLE to a ^SIMPLETON.

Rising energy costs, like everything else, push users to alternate forms of energy, and RENEWABLES are actually cheaper in MANY APPLICATIONS.

Now that is A simple law of economics of which you are OBVIOUSLY IGNORANT. LMAO

[Nationalist]

49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 2. Points taken 

 

I will add that if you purport to care about poverty then you should honestly care about inequality levels also.  Just saying.

Next we can research the economic case for Climate Change mitigation.

I do care about inequality...on many levels. 

Ok. With that in mand...

"The cost of climate change mitigation is projected to range from $5.4 trillion to $11.7 trillion per year until 2030 to prevent global temperatures from rising above 1.5°C. "

Edited August 25, 2025 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Are you serious?

What does a transport company do when fuel costs rise?

They USE ALTERNATIVE fuels and/or vehicles some of which reduce carbon emissions.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

What do businesses do when power costs rise?

Some install solar or wind turbine generation. Duh

They are EVERYWHERE HERE, maybe not so much in your TUNDRA.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

The moonbats have had what's getting to 300 years of serious industrial shit being pumped into the atmosphere. 

I gotta tell ya Mike, I'm just not feeling it. Man-made climate change is a hoax, and thank God the new administration agrees. 

I gotta tell ya DELUGINAL only you MAGA CULT still believe Trump's LIES.

He doesn't care about the truth of long term costs because HE WILL BE GONE, and the youth of today will have FIX THE  PROBLEMS HE CAUSES.

[robosmith]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. I would say mostly caused by overbearing regulations and taxes. Demand is higher than ever.

2. Stop? No. Cut stifling regulations and taxes? Absolutely!

What you would say without EVIDENCE, means NOTHING.

The US is very different from the government mandated regulations in Canada.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

We also know that none of this proves there is an issue

For that we look at aggregates of observations and data gathered by experts in several Earth sciences, ecology, oceanography, forestry, agriculture etc etc.

The fact that the vast VAST number of these dozens of fields of study cite increased CO2 and it's greenhouse effect for many of the problems they see corroborates the fact there is an issue.

Note this doesn't rule out other factors but it does create a very high bar of evidence to say they're greater and or solely responsible to any matching or overwhelming degree.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

They USE ALTERNATIVE fuels and/or vehicles some of which reduce carbon emissions.

Some install solar or wind turbine generation. Duh

They are EVERYWHERE HERE, maybe not so much in your TUNDRA.

What a  fool...

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

For that we look at aggregates of observations and data gathered by experts in several Earth sciences, ecology, oceanography, forestry, agriculture etc etc.

The fact that the vast VAST number of these dozens of fields of study cite increased CO2 and it's greenhouse effect for many of the problems they see corroborates the fact there is an issue.

Note this doesn't rule out other factors but it does create a very high bar of evidence to say they're greater and or solely responsible to any matching or overwhelming degree.

I dispute there exists an issue. So the temps rose a bit. Longer growing seasons. All good.