Why should we hate Nazis?

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40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The admin is violating all international norms and conventions on human rights.  You will have to wear this one as it is going down in history as major violations of human rights in various ways.   Even if the MAGA gang think it is some kind of victory, it is a total disaster.  The world looked up to America for many years as a country that defended human rights, but that all appears gone now.

Name them. Make your argument. You can't, you won't you run away and ignore it when asked to do so. All you do is repeat this same baseless assertion over and over again. 

If "the world" is so open to this illegal immigration, why are they not taking all of these people in?

Your argument is so fundamentally absurd on its face. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

There's no victory in any of this for anyone.

It's the direct result of an unprecedented level of madness, you were repeatedly warned about the potential for this happening...  you ignored common sense, compassion, federal law and instead you telegraphed "flank speed" to Crazy Island with your middle finger extended.

Your blame game rings pretty hollow with me...  

 

Had absolutely nothing to do with me.  How you treat migrants was and is entirely your business.  

Edited August 23, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Had absolutely nothing to with me.  How you treat migrants was and is entirely your business.  

How we treat ILLEGAL immigrants is with enforcing the law. Deport them. 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, Venandi said:

There's no victory in any of this for anyone.

It's the direct result of an unprecedented level of madness, you were repeatedly warned about the potential for this happening...  you ignored common sense, compassion, federal law and instead you telegraphed "flank speed" to Crazy Island with your middle finger extended.

Your blame game rings pretty hollow with me...  

 

Not true at all.  I was not involved and never commented on the subject of undocumented migrants until the past few months.  So where do you get these accusations about me being warned about the subject of undocumented migrants?  You are making up completely false claims.

I simply pointed out to you and others recently how this mass deportation scheme is contrary to the Bible and possibly various other laws and conventions.

Also pointed out arresting, imprisonment, and deportation without a due process that includes any international conventions on refugees, the Constitution and laws, may also be wrong.

I pointed out the abuse reportedly occurring may be wrong.

But instead of accepting or acknowledging any of it, you falsely accuse me in the above piece.

Nothing more to say to you.   I just pray that you will get a Bible, learn the truth, repent of your evil thinking, and get right with God.

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney went to Ukraine and will soon go to Eastern Europe to profit from arms sales. Was I not right to say he looks like a Nazi? In fact, Europeans and Canada are trying to 'torpedo' the peace process between Ukraine and Russia because they benefit from arms sales profits and do not want to send soldiers there.

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

You have yet to address the inevitability of the backlash issue being a direct result of outlandish BSC open borders. a 

All Western countries have more or less open borders. We all signed that stupid UN Charter on Refugees back in the 1950s, thinking it would mean a couple of hundred Eastern Europeans coming over every year. Now it means millions of muslims with cultural and religious beliefs that want to destroy us, and yet we're still bound by old treaties and laws based on them that so far no government has been willing to change. Including US Republicans. Those laws say anyone who claims asylum has to be given a formal hearing. And given how we've left the laws and legal process in the hands of a profession that gets paid by the hour, it takes years just to get a hearing.

Some nations have handled it more poorly than others. Canada, of course, has been pretty much the worst. We let anyone in, and we accept virtually all asylum claims - though after four or five years of pretending to carefully ponder the cases. But the US has always had a big problem that neither Republicans nor Democrats have really wanted to solve. Republicans own farm states, and those farm states want the cheap labor. Democrats like all those minorities coming in because they anticipate they'll get their votes eventually, much like the Liberals and NDP in Canada.

[I am Groot]

On 8/21/2025 at 11:40 PM, herbie said:

Looks like?
You're on the 12th page of a thread with people who can't comprehend why one should hate Nazis....  that learned zero from school, their elders and most likely failed Sunday school to boot.

The thread is actually on why the Left hates Nazis for having a certain set of beliefs, but adores Muslims despite them having the same beliefs.

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10 hours ago, blackbird said:

Nothing more to say to you.   I just pray that you will get a Bible, learn the truth, repent of your evil thinking, and get right with God.

Yeah... you have offered next to nothing to support any doctrinal position on the Bible regarding open borders. You have repeatedly pushed absurdly outlandish and extreme positions on the Bible here that you are unable to defend when challenged. 

When caught lying, you chose to repeatedly play dumb and act like it never happened and lie even more about not being shows your lie... and then you ran away like a coward when called out for it. 

You have no moral high ground here. None. 

[Venandi]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

Had absolutely nothing to do with me.  How you treat migrants was and is entirely your business.  

In the context that I used it, the word “you” certainly doesn’t imply that YOU designed or implemented the policies here. I’m talking about supporters who repeatedly voted for it and those who seeing the damage it caused continue to defend those actions. Usually they do it by attacking the morality of those enforcing the very pre-existing laws that they voted to ignore… IMO, you seem to be doing that.

The word “sanctuary” wrt a jurisdiction isn’t some fuzzy welcome mat at the border put out by caring individuals with bottled water and sandwiches, it’s a blatant promise and commitment to ignore federal  law and there was no shortage of politicians promising to do that. There was no shortage of voters who supported it too… so, In a nutshell, I blame those voters, those politicians, and in particular the supporters who continue to defend those illegal actions after the fact and inspite of the backlash created in its wake.

Other countries did (and are doing) the same thing right now and in response to it, the backlash has seen the rise of (what the MSM delights in calling) ultra RW nationalist parties. I see that as being a predictable result of deliberately ignoring immigration laws over an extended period of time… not in a small way either but full throttle BSC on steroids. Incredibly, some of the people who participated in creating the problem in places like Sweden (by voting for it in the first place) now support the draconian actions championed by these parties.

When unhinged madness and the flouting of laws is allowed to prevail to such an extent that the country and its demographics are changed there will always be a backlash (usually a severe one) and innocent people will inevitably be hurt. Your milage may vary but I think it’s an easily predictable form of cruelty worth anticipating and avoiding. There is a big difference between rational, compassionate immigration and what actually went on for 4 straight years under Biden.

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

Nothing more to say to you. 

Excellent... I'll hold you to it.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

I simply pointed out to you and others recently how this mass deportation scheme is contrary to the Bible and possibly various other laws and conventions.

When people have pointed at other laws and conventions that run contrary to the Bible, common human decency and sense you've suggested they should render unto Ceasar that which is his, which is to say obey him.

You're now suggesting there are times when it is appropriate to disobey the law?

I certainly believe there are.

Edited August 24, 2025 by eyeball

[Gaétan]

According to Jesus Christ and Loth you have to treat migrants better than your own family, your better futur lays on your own sacrifice not the sacrifice of your neighbour. Mt 25.35-40, Gn 19.1-29, Jesus taught to love your neighbour and love your neighbour as yourself, it means to treat your neighbour as yourself and love them.

[I am Groot]

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

When people have pointed at other laws and conventions that run contrary to the Bible, common human decency and sense you've suggested they should render unto Ceasar that which is his, which is to say obey him.

You're now suggesting there are times when it is appropriate to disobey the law?

I certainly believe there are.

I don't think the Trump admin are always following the laws as some would have you believe.  Why have there been regular court rulings against them?  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I don't think the Trump admin are always following the laws as some would have you believe.

I'm quite certain they haven't but who are we to tell Ceasar what he can or can't do? I thought your Bible was clear on that. You and Trump subscribe to the same Bible right?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm quite certain they haven't but who are we to tell Ceasar what he can or can't do? I thought your Bible was clear on that. You and Trump subscribe to the same Bible right?

Of course we can't tell Ceasar what he can or can't do, but we live in a western democracy remember.  It is in agreement with the Bible to question what government does.  That is permissible in today's world.  The King and Constitution gave us the right to do that.  The people participate.  We don't dictate what govt does, but we can make requests and disagree sometimes.  

That doesn't mean Christians should do anything that is clearly wrong.  

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14 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think the Trump admin are always following the laws as some would have you believe.  Why have there been regular court rulings against them?  

This is how the legal system works. The administration does what it believes is lawful. People challenge this in court, and the administration counters. When they lose, they adhere to court rulings and/or appeal, and they often win. 

 

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Of course we can't tell Ceasar what he can or can't do, but we live in a western democracy remember.  It is in agreement with the Bible to question what government does.  That is permissible in today's world.  The King and Constitution gave us the right to do that.  The people participate.  We don't dictate what govt does, but we can make requests and disagree sometimes.  

That doesn't mean Christians should do anything that is clearly wrong.  

But you openly advocate for violating the law, not trying to change it. 

 

[taxme]

On 8/8/2025 at 7:11 AM, I am Groot said:

All my life, the Nazis have been held up as the worst of humanity, and all of society has known to be very hostile to them and their ideas. And no group was more ferociously opposed to them than the Left.

And now the Left, while still despising Nazis, embraces their ideas, retitles them, and pat themselves on their collective backs as good, moral people. It's been both fascinating and sad to watch how easily manipulated people are.

Nazis, first and foremost, are known as people who hate Jews. That's why the Jews are the canaries in the coal mine.  You have a pretty good idea that if people hate Jews, they're not people you want having any power. And now the Left hates Jews. Yeah, yeah, you call them 'zionists' which just means people who believe in a Jewish homeland. But that's almost all Jews. So you hate Jews. Jews don't get invited to the parties of their liberal 'friends' anymore because they're now out of fashion. Jews get sneered at and mocked openly at schools and universities under the approving smiles of professors and administrators. Jews get thrown out of restaurants, "We don't serve your kind!". Groups of zealots paint swastikas and stars of David on Jewish stores and businesses, and demand people boycott them. Groups of zealots march in the streets every single day, shouting death to "zionists' and how they will destroy the Jew homeland and how they need to cleanse all institutions of Jew influence.

And the governments at all levels smile tolerantly.

So what else are we not supposed to like about Nazis? They don't like LGBT types. But so what? Muslims don't like LGBT types either and the Left doesn't care a whit. They adore Muslims. The Nazis want to take government control of almost everything? So does the Left. The Nazis don't tolerate opposition? Neither does the Left. The Left are so self-assured that every single thing they do is for the greater good that anyone who disagrees must be evil and is not someone to be listened to or allowed to speak.

Someone tell me why we're supposed to beware of Nazis again. Because the Germans killed a bunch of people? So have the Communists, and the Left doesn't mind them at all.

So what have you got? 

 

Why are not the Japanese ever held responsible for their terrible war time atrocities that they committed especially to their prisoners during WW 2? Or what about what those communists like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot to their citizen's? Those three alone committed some of the worse atrocities towards innocent people who despised communism and were sent off to the gulag or worse murdered. All we ever here about is Nazi's and Hitler ad nauseam. Maybe there was a good reason as to why the Nazi's despised Jews so much? Hey, we never know, eh? 

If i were German i would be very upset at the constant use of the word Nazi all the time. The war is over so why keep using the word Nazi and make the German people continue to suffer for what happened in the 2nd WW. It' is a derogatory word and it should be stopped from being used. We are not allowed to call Japanese people Japs any longer and the Japanese were on Hitler's side during WW 2. Think about it. 😇

[Moonbox]

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

Do you not understand the difference between a law accompanied by a list of punishments and a proverb or story?

Sure.  Can tell you me what the "story" or "proverb" is here? 

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

“If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his penis, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

And do you think this has nothing to do with the people who live in them and how their culture and values have been influenced by Islam?

No, but I think there's a lot more to it than your "because Muslim bad".  

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

That isn't the point. Even the rich Muslim states are socially backward. I am interested in who these 'numerous Muslim countries' are, though, because afaik the only one remotely progressive is tiny Bosnia, which had its Islamist notions thoroughly cleansed by Tito. 

More like you didn't understand the point, which was to push back against your silly, sweeping generalizations about Muslims, and to demonstrate how you'd rather be a gay dude in Kazakhstan (Muslim) than in Russia (Christian), or a woman in Algeria (Muslim) over Ethiopia (Christian).  There's evidently a lot more going on here than

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

A Spaniard. Do you not find it odd that such ideas about secularism have never arisen in the Muslim world? 

Considering this "Spaniard" was an Andalusian Muslim, that's a pretty goofy thing to say. 

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

I also find this a terribly weak reply. We're speaking here of immense groups of hundreds of millions of people, and you show me a single member of that group from a thousand years ago who maybe wasn't as into a theocratic state as many Muslims are today, as if this disproves anything.

Speaking of weak replies, what does it say about you that you went out of your way to call Ibn Rushd a "Spaniard" instead of the Muslim he was?  Are you pretending that I can't come up with other names or something?  

Once again, you miss the point entirely.  

On 8/22/2025 at 9:11 PM, I am Groot said:

The Muslim world - and I speak collectively here - is violently misogynistic, racist, intolerant, homophobic, antisemitic and does not believe in democracy or freedom of speech.

Sort of like all of Christendom was, up until very recently?  🙄

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Sure.  Can tell you me what the "story" or "proverb" is here? 

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Do you know of a single case in history, never mind recent history, where that was applied as a law in a court? Do you know any church that preaches that this is the law and should be observed?

Now compare that to mainstream Islamic scholars who all support death for apostasy, for blaspheme, for adultery. No church cuts anyone's hand off but it happens in Muslim countries, just like women are stoned or otherwise killed for alleged acts of sexual impiety. 

Qur'an 22:19   Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.
 

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

More like you didn't understand the point, which was to push back against your silly, sweeping generalizations about Muslims,

How do you talk about a religion with two billion adherents without generalizing? I think it's generally bloody obvious what the entire Muslim world is like vs the rest. Sure, there are some shitty Christian countries, but there are no good Muslim countries.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Speaking of weak replies, what does it say about you that you went out of your way to call Ibn Rushd a "Spaniard" instead of the Muslim he was?  Are you pretending that I can't come up with other names or something?  

I don't feel the need to put much thought to a more enlightened guy from a thousand years ago. It's the Islam of today and its worshipers that we have to deal with. A religion that is violently expansionary in all its writings in a way no other religion is. You certainly don't see a lot of Christian ministers or priests pronouncing how everyone else is evil and they and their religions must be destroyed. But there are more mullahs and imams doing it than you can shake a stick at.

Tell me why Muslims are gathering in large groups outside Christian churches to pray. Go for it.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Once again, you miss the point entirely.  

Sort of like all of Christendom was, up until very recently?  🙄

Until very recently? When was the last time a woman was stoned to death for adultery under Christendom? When was the last person executed for blasphemy? 

The plain and simple fact is that the more Muslims you have in a country, the more religious violence and intolerance you have. Especially when those Muslims have come from places where intolerence and hatred are part of the culture and preached from every mosque.

Edited August 25, 2025 by I am Groot

[Moonbox]

On 8/25/2025 at 5:39 PM, I am Groot said:

Do you know of a single case in history, never mind recent history, where that was applied as a law in a court? Do you know any church that preaches that this is the law and should be observed?

So we've gone from "No the Bible doesn't have this", to then "well they're just proverbs and stories," to now this.  What a journey.  

On 8/25/2025 at 5:39 PM, I am Groot said:

How do you talk about a religion with two billion adherents without generalizing?

Is this question supposed to be a joke?  You think that a group being 1/4 of the world's population, spanning the continents with all of their different races and cultures, history etc, makes it more reasonable to generalize about it?  🫠

On 8/25/2025 at 5:39 PM, I am Groot said:

I think it's generally bloody obvious what the entire Muslim world is like vs the rest. Sure, there are some shitty Christian countries, but there are no good Muslim countries.

I think it's bloody obvious that you've exercised near-zero critical reasoning on this topic.  

On 8/25/2025 at 5:39 PM, I am Groot said:

Until very recently? When was the last time a woman was stoned to death for adultery under Christendom? When was the last person executed for blasphemy? 

I don't know, but women were permanently imprisoned in insane asylums by their husbands/fathers up to the and into the 1900's for adultery or even just being disobedient.  Sodomy was still a felony with harsh sentences in every US state until 1962.  Lynchings were still carried out in the USA up to the Cold War and occasionally beyond. 

Question, how many stonings or executions for blasphemy do you figure happen in the Islamic world in any given year?  

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonbox said:

So we've gone from "No the Bible doesn't have this", to then "well they're just proverbs and stories," to now this.  What a journey.  

No, we're still at "this not Christian law and never has been". 

On 8/28/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonbox said:

Is this question supposed to be a joke?  You think that a group being 1/4 of the world's population, spanning the continents with all of their different races and cultures, history etc, makes it more reasonable to generalize about it?  🫠

How else do you speak of a group?
And if this globe-spanning group varies so much, how come, with the exception of old Yugoslavia, they all hate Jews? How come they all hate women? How come none of them treat women and men equally or treat muslims and non-muslims the same? How come there are no pride parades? For such a widely varied group of different races, cultures, histories, etc., they seem to have some remarkable similarities. 

On 8/28/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonbox said:

I don't know, but women were permanently imprisoned in insane asylums by their husbands/fathers up to the and into the 1900's for adultery

So even 120 years ago we were still more socially advanced than the Muslim world of today? Are you saying that in another 150-200 years, Muslims might become as peaceful and tolerant as we are?

On 8/28/2025 at 5:26 PM, Moonbox said:

Question, how many stonings or executions for blasphemy do you figure happen in the Islamic world in any given year?  

Why? It's an indication of the mindset, of the offhand cruelty and ruthlessness, of the social backwardness in their laws and societies. The burka, the niqab, and even the hijab show that, unlike in the Christian world, Muslims still go by the vicious and ignorant twaddle in their holy book, which treats women like cattle. And they haven't been getting more liberal, but less liberal. Great masses of these cultists are out in the streets seemingly every week in cities across the country to take over streets, parks and courtyards so they can lift their asses high into the air and pray for the death of the Jews.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Are you saying that in another 150-200 years, Muslims might become as peaceful and tolerant as we are?

I expect by then the majority will join the millions who already are.

Progress comes in leaps and bounds.

That said, it also depends on how fanatical and intolerant islamophobes get. I can't think of anything more likely to thwart progress.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That said, it also depends on how fanatical and intolerant islamophobes get. I can't think of anything more likely to thwart progress.

Talk about idiocy. 

So, people have to tolerate how awful Islam is because if they don't tolerate it then Islam will continue being awful...

 

[BeaverFever]

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

And now the Left, while still despising Nazis, embraces their ideas, retitles them, and pat themselves on their collective backs as good, moral people.

Bullshit. 
 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

And now the Left hates Jews. Yeah, yeah, you call them 'zionists' which just means people who believe in a Jewish homeland. But that's almost all Jews. So you hate Jews. Jews don't get invited to the parties of their liberal 'friends' anymore because they're now out of fashion.

Bullshit. 
 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Muslims don't like LGBT types either and the Left doesn't care a whit.

Bullshit

 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

The Nazis want to take government control of almost everything? So does the Left.

Bullshit

 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

The Nazis don't tolerate opposition? Neither does the Left.

Bullshit 

 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

The Left are so self-assured that every single thing they do is for the greater good

There’s som truth to this one,   But if you want to play this game then it’s fair to say conservatives OTOH are opposed to the very idea of doing anything for the greater good  Denying the existence of a “greater good” was a central tenant of Reagan-Thatcherism, as the Iron Lady herself said “there is no such thing as society”

 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

anyone who disagrees must be evil and is not someone to be listened to or allowed to speak.

Bullshit. 
 

On 8/8/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

So have the Communists, and the Left doesn't mind them at all.

Bullshit. 

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, User said:

Talk about idiocy. 

So, people have to tolerate how awful Islam is because if they don't tolerate it then Islam will continue being awful...

You people need to be tolerated too don't forget.

It's getting exhausting.