CARNEY STRIKES BACK AGAINST INCREASED US TARIFFS BY LOWERING OUR COUNTER TARIFFS EVEN FURTHER.

[Aristides]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

I think we should increase defence spending by finding other things in the budget to cut.  Borrowing more money and adding more debt isn’t the answer.  Last year, for the first time ever, the federal government spent more money on debt servicing than on health care.  Just so you know, that’s not good.  2 things Pierre would do differently that would greatly benefit Canada, is eliminate the industrial carbon tax.  It only makes our industry less competitive with our chief economic rivals the United States and China.  It also makes things more expensive, as it act like a self imposed tariff.  The second is drastically slow immigration.  We need a few years of literally zero, to allow things like housing and health care to adjust.  We need housing supply to catch up with demand.  The easiest way to do that is dramatically reduce demand.  We also need more doctors and nurses to keep up with health care demand.  Just those two things would decrease the cost of housing, decrease health care wait times, and increase Canadian businesses competitiveness globally.  But Carney won’t do any of that.  He should also be willing to use the not withstanding clause to get energy projects approved immediately.  Carney won’t do that either.  He just talks and talks and takes endless photo ops.

What do you want to cut?

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Ford isn't an attack dog. Like Carney, he's all mouth and retreats at the first opposition.

I have a neighbour with a big old dog that barks all day as well as a nasty little lap dog that bites. 

Carney doesn't seem to bark or bite and seems more behaved that way for sure.

But I'm more of a cat person actually...my cat has no time whatsoever for dogs. Apparently Trump doesn't either and I have no idea what that means.🤔

[blackbird]

I think it is the government job to look at whether putting tariffs on certain things would be useful and really help the trade dispute.  It is a fact that putting tariffs on some things might hurt Canadians more than pressure the U.S. to negotiate a trade deal.  

So it is not just a simple thing of putting tariffs on all imported goods.  Doing that would make no sense.  America is ten times the size of Canada in population and likely far more than ten times the size in economic wealth and power.  They hold most of the cards.  Carney has to be careful he doesn't put tariffs on imported goods that would do more harm to Canadians than accomplish anything in the trade negotiations.

An example is fruit and vegetables.  Canadians depend on imported vegetables in the winter because we don't have the climate to grow them much of the year.  So it wouldn't make any sense to put tariffs on fruit and vegetables that we must import from the U.S. in the winter.  That would only end up hurting consumers in Canada by making groceries more expensive.

Edited August 7, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

What has he actually given up? Be specific. He has said stuff but can change his mind, just like Trump. 

I have spelled that out specifically about five times now. In detail.

You're dishonesty here is beginning to border on hysterical dementia.

He back down on the DST, he backed out on the military spending, he backed down on our counter tariffs, he backed down on Ontario's counter tariffs, And I think there were a few others I mentioned along the way as well.

And let's not pretend they're not backing down, you're trying to pretend that oh well they're still technically in law but.... hey twat, we were supposed to charge it and it's not getting charged because trump said no.  We had Counter tariff until trump said no, Ontario had counter Tariffs until trump said no, etc etc. 

Again, axworthy called him a boot licker. If he's not giving anything up why would a liberal who's an expert in for a negotiations make that statement?

Are you done lying? Are you done pretending I haven't pointed anything out when anyone can go back through this thread and see I've done so a million times? Are you done being an ignorant little piece of crap?

Given all the things he's given up can you name one thing that he actually got in exchange for all of that?

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I have spelled that out specifically about five times now. In detail.

You're dishonesty here is beginning to border on hysterical dementia.

He back down on the DST, he backed out on the military spending, he backed down on our counter tariffs, he backed down on Ontario's counter tariffs, And I think there were a few others I mentioned along the way as well.

And let's not pretend they're not backing down, you're trying to pretend that oh well they're still technically in law but.... hey twat, we were supposed to charge it and it's not getting charged because trump said no.  We had Counter tariff until trump said no, Ontario had counter Tariffs until trump said no, etc etc. 

Again, axworthy called him a boot licker. If he's not giving anything up why would a liberal who's an expert in for a negotiations make that statement?

Are you done lying? Are you done pretending I haven't pointed anything out when anyone can go back through this thread and see I've done so a million times? Are you done being an ignorant little piece of crap?

Given all the things he's given up can you name one thing that he actually got in exchange for all of that?

He hasn't given up anything. He has made no binding commitments. Done nothing that he can't reverse tomorrow. I guess that's what you want him to do while Trump is free to go off on a new tangent every day.

They were Ontario's counter tariffs, not Canada's 

What is it you want other than a fight? What do you expect to gain from it?

[Barquentine]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And yes it hurts but you do it and then you get a deal. What we've got now is the opposite of a deal, Our tariffs have gone up.

cbc.ca/news/business/canada-resilience-us-tariffs

While some trade-exposed sectors have faced job losses and unemployment has generally trended upward to nearly seven per cent, employers elsewhere in the economy continue to expand their payrolls.
"Consumption is still growing," Macklem said. "It's growing modestly. It's certainly being restrained by the uncertainty caused by tariffs. But it is growing and we expect that to continue through the third and fourth quarters."
Porter said in his note that the actual impact of Trump's new 35 per cent tariff on Canada's economy could be less than the headline figure suggests.
Because of a carve-out for Canadian exports that are compliant with the Canada-U.S.MexicoAgreement (CUSMA), BMO sees the effective U.S. tariff rate at roughly seven per cent under the new duties, less than a percentage point higher than it was before Friday.

Seven per cent!!!!

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

He hasn't given up anything.

We had counter tariffs, we don't anymore. He gave it up

We had a digital services tax. We don't anymore. He gave it up

etc etc. 

At this point you're just delusionally rambling and you sound like a complete Twat.  By definition he gave up a number of things and has gotten nothing for it

And yes Canada had a bunch of counter tariffs that Ontario had nothing to do with and he exempted almost all of them down to nothing.

You've become irrational. This stuff is all facts in evidence easily verified. This isn't opinion. Is caved in on a number of things and giving away a lot, we're talking billions of dollars in the short-term and hundreds of billions of the long term and he's gotten nothing for it

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

cbc.ca/news/business/canada-resilience-us-tariffs

While some trade-exposed sectors have faced job losses and unemployment has generally trended upward to nearly seven per cent, employers elsewhere in the economy continue to expand their payrolls.
"Consumption is still growing," Macklem said. "It's growing modestly. It's certainly being restrained by the uncertainty caused by tariffs. But it is growing and we expect that to continue through the third and fourth quarters."
Porter said in his note that the actual impact of Trump's new 35 per cent tariff on Canada's economy could be less than the headline figure suggests.
Because of a carve-out for Canadian exports that are compliant with the Canada-U.S.MexicoAgreement (CUSMA), BMO sees the effective U.S. tariff rate at roughly seven per cent under the new duties, less than a percentage point higher than it was before Friday.

Seven per cent!!!!

An expert was on the Vassey show  and noted that that figure was Wrong in practice.

There are a number of things that are covered under free trade technically, but practically aren't. 

For every single thing you're going to get the waiver for you need to fill out a massive amount of paperwork and provide significant amounts of proof as to the origin of all of the components that when into it. The paperwork is extensive and must be filled out for each item. It is a massive barrier for smaller businesses that sounds a smaller volume or a wide variety of goods. It's more effective for those companies with 10 or 20 products that they sell in the states in large numbers. But if you don't fill out the paperwork and submit it then you don't get the exemption and you pay the tariff

For a lot of businesses the cost of preparing that paperwork every time would be far too high.

The other factor is that it's hitting very specific Industries that are the pillars of our economies. Lumber sectors are paying much higher rates of course and it badly cripples them. In Ontario and British Columbia much of the local economy is built on that so the impact it's far greater.

A bullet might only displace 2% of your body mass, but if that mass happens to include parts of your heart you're probably dead

[Aristides]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We had counter tariffs, we don't anymore. He gave it up

We had a digital services tax. We don't anymore. He gave it up

etc etc. 

At this point you're just delusionally rambling and you sound like a complete Twat.  By definition he gave up a number of things and has gotten nothing for it

And yes Canada had a bunch of counter tariffs that Ontario had nothing to do with and he exempted almost all of them down to nothing.

You've become irrational. This stuff is all facts in evidence easily verified. This isn't opinion. Is caved in on a number of things and giving away a lot, we're talking billions of dollars in the short-term and hundreds of billions of the long term and he's gotten nothing for it

 

What counter tariffs did we give up? All the tariffs were applied by Trudeau. You hated him too.

He hasn't done anything that he can't reverse tomorrow. Just like Trump.

Just because hitting back makes you feel better it isn't necessarily the right thing to do at the time. I'm not negotiating and neither are you. 

Wars are easy to start but you never know how they will turn out. That is a lesson Trump is about to learn. 

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What counter tariffs did we give up? All the tariffs were applied by Trudeau. You hated him too.

He's rooting for Trump...sticking it to libbies is all he cares about...shits and giggles, giggles and shits. Either or will do.

[herbie]

Some people just don't want to believe that tariffs hurt them, not the other guy.
Or how if some guy's being a jerk, it's not constructive in any way to be a jerk back to him.
 

[Shady]

Just now, herbie said:

Some people just don't want to believe that tariffs hurt them, not the other guy.
Or how if some guy's being a jerk, it's not constructive in any way to be a jerk back to him.
 

Then why did Carney lie about that during the election?

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He's rooting for Trump...sticking it to libbies is all he cares about...shits and giggles, giggles and shits. Either or will do.

So Carney lied during the election then right?

56 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What counter tariffs did we give up? All the tariffs were applied by Trudeau. You hated him too.

He hasn't done anything that he can't reverse tomorrow. Just like Trump.

Just because hitting back makes you feel better it isn't necessarily the right thing to do at the time. I'm not negotiating and neither are you. 

Wars are easy to start but you never know how they will turn out. That is a lesson Trump is about to learn. 

 

No they weren't all applied by Trudeau.  Yes, everyone should hate him, re ruined the country.

Hitting back doesn't make me feel better, it's what Carney ran on.  Elbows up remember?  So he basically lied to get elected then huh?

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Then why did Carney lie about that during the election?

So Carney lied during the election then right?

No they weren't all applied by Trudeau.  Yes, everyone should hate him, re ruined the country.

Hitting back doesn't make me feel better, it's what Carney ran on.  Elbows up remember?  So he basically lied to get elected then huh?

What did he lie about?

What did he run on?

He always said he would do what is best for Canada...he never said there would be reciprocal tariffs. 

Be logical...why would we put tariffs on incoming products??? It only hurts us, the Canadian consumer, making what we buy more expensive. 

Edited August 7, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

What counter tariffs did we give up? All the tariffs were applied by Trudeau. You hated him too.

He hasn't done anything that he can't reverse tomorrow. Just like Trump.

 

Oh for god's sake all of this has been posted before and it is insanely easy to look up online. Why do you losers insist on demanding the same information again and again and again instead of dealing with the facts?

Here, seeing as you're too busy changing your diapers to look it up YET AGAIN yourself, 

Carney dropped most American tariffs day after Trump meeting | Toronto Sun

this was all over the news, even CBC covered it

Quote

 

Just because hitting back makes you feel better it isn't necessarily the right thing to do at the time. I'm not negotiating and neither are you. 

Wars are easy to start but you never know how they will turn out. That is a lesson Trump is about to learn. 

 

It's the right thing to do because it's the right thing to do. And there's a lot of experts saying that. Including as I keep pointing out and you keep running away like a frightened Chihuahua instead of dealing with, Axeworthy, one of the best liberal party negotiators of all time 

 

So let's get real, this has nothing to do with what's best or any logical argument on your point. You realize carney is failing and you are desperate to try and defend him even though it's completely indefensible. And that's why you are falling back on these childish tricks of demanding the same information again and again, pretending that facts aren't real, and generally trying to make your bad behavior and his bad behavior everyone else's fault

 

Pay attention! He is totally caving and has given away tons of things without getting anything for it. It is going badly. It is not going well. We are currently underwater and diving.

And because trump thinks he's weak, chances are he's going to demand more and more and in the end he's going to crack open NAFTA and we'll have a problem.

Now get your partisan head out of your ass and start actually addressing the issues.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What did he lie about?

Virtually everything. It turns out you lied about his call to trump, he lied about his elbows up stuff, and a host of other things

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What did he run on?

He always said he would do what is best for Canada...he never said there would be reciprocal tariffs. 

Carney Announces Tariffs

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Be logical...why would we put tariffs on incoming products??? It only hurts us, the Canadian consumer, making what we buy more expensive. 

That has been answered a trillion times. Can't you guys think of some new lie to tell instead of rehashing the same ones? Let me guess, you're still stuck in repeat mode

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What did he lie about?

What did he run on?

He always said he would do what is best for Canada...he never said there would be reciprocal tariffs. 

Be logical...why would we put tariffs on incoming products??? It only hurts us, the Canadian consumer, making what we buy more expensive. 

LOL awwww poor little exflyer gave me a down arrow for saying the truth    I guess that's all you've got  

[herbie]

Jeez some ppl's Liberal hatred is so visceral they can't even think.

 

 

[ExFlyer]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Virtually everything. It turns out you lied about his call to trump, he lied about his elbows up stuff, and a host of other things

Carney Announces Tariffs

That has been answered a trillion times. Can't you guys think of some new lie to tell instead of rehashing the same ones? Let me guess, you're still stuck in repeat mode

He made no promises about tariffs on incoming products except tariffs on US made vehicles...not your groceries LOL

Watch your own links LOSER LOL

The only thing to repeat is to repeat how much of a LOSER and liar you are LOL

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL awwww poor little exflyer gave me a down arrow for saying the truth    I guess that's all you've got  

Yup. a LOSER and LIAR like you deserves downvotes and you get them all the time LOSER ....LOL

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Some people just don't want to believe that tariffs hurt them, not the other guy.
Or how if some guy's being a jerk, it's not constructive in any way to be a jerk back to him.
 

Maybe some guys don't understand anything about tariffs...Tariffs are not a one way street...Yes trumps tariffs punish US consumers by driving up the price of Canadian goods, Which consumers will search out cheaper products,like everyone does....from elsewhere....meanwhile the lack of sales hurt Canadian companies, which are forced to down size or fire employees due lack of sales...Trump wants to force companies to manufacture in the US to avoid tariffs, which creates jobs and industry...this is not happening in Canada, some Canadian companies are moving south just for that reason....Many within the globe are doing just that moving to the US...as it is cheaper...

So while it is a dick move on the US part , our lack of tariffs on US goods is not forcing Canadians to continue buying what ever is cheaper , most likely US goods...

It does not depend on what trump does, but rather on how the canadian consumer reacts....thats what makes tariffs effective...

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Then why did Carney lie about that during the election?

Because politicians are always evasive and noncommittal

 

1 hour ago, Shady said:

So Carney lied during the election then right?

I have no idea. Do you have a contract in hand that he signed or a promissory note or something? 

Harper lied...Santa lied...I lie all the time, CdnFox lies even more than that...it happens...grow up and get over it.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Jeez some ppl's Liberal hatred is so visceral they can't even think.

 

 

It's well earned.  They ruined the country.

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because politicians are always evasive and noncommittal

 

I have no idea. Do you have a contract in hand that he signed or a promissory note or something? 

Harper lied...Santa lied...I lie all the time, CdnFox lies even more than that...it happens...grow up and get over it.

That's not an argument.  That's a copout. 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

That's not an argument.  That's a copout. 

Did you vote for Conservatives after Harper lied?

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

thats what makes tariffs effective...

Let’s not forget the goal isn’t to punish Canada. Orange man has already offered a permanent tariff free deal. There is no reason to make car parts in Canada or even buy Canadian lumber. We do it to help you all out (from the kindness of our big American hearts). America has been subsidizing Canada and all the war torn countries since the post world war. The free lunch era is coming to an end. 

Edited August 7, 2025 by paxamericana

[LinkSoul60]

On 8/5/2025 at 5:02 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney hints at dropping some U.S. tariffs if it will help Canadian industries hit by trade war | CBC News

Sigh, i'm not even kidding.  He's saying that in order to fight us tariffs he'll lower counter tariffs (which was how he was supposed to pay for helping industries) even further .

"Stop tariffing us or in retaliation we'll completely stop tariffing you!!" 

er..... 

 SIgh. We are so effed. 

So you would prefer tariffs that YOU pay for?  If the US is that f*cking stupid, which most Trump supporters are, and want to pay more for goods because of tariffs that's their problem.  Wonder what Poilievre would have done? 😂

[Army Guy]

23 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Let’s not forget the goal isn’t to punish Canada. Orange man has already offered a permanent tariff free deal. There is no reason to make car parts in Canada or even buy Canadian lumber. We do it to help you all out (from the kindness of our big American hearts). America has been subsidizing Canada and all the war torn countries since the post world war. The free lunch era is coming to an end. 

Thats not the case the US use to have all of that and more , but has moved most of its industry offshore.....Canada seen an opportunity and took it, Canadian lumber was being sold in America cheaper than the Americans could, hence the tariffs that have been on soft wood for decades and still Americans buy it by the train load .....most of our high quality wood goes to the US, same as Aluminum, steel, copper.... US was not subsidizing anything your industry got up and left, and Canadians filled the gap....because it is to expensive to manufacture anything in the US....

Car industry is the same, the US has pushed out its own industry because it can be cheaper if it is built some place else...Everything is now made in China....because American industries made it that way....because they can make more money by doing it that way....not because they had a heart of gold and decided it looked good to subsidize poor little Canada...it was to fill their pockets with even more money, which overrides patriotism, that would  provide good american jobs....it is all for more greenbacks...People will but anything that is cheaper....and in most cases that's from China, everyone loves china because of the cheap shit....If the US does not do something drastic China will be the next superpower

I get it, trump wants to reverse all of that, and it wants to bring manufacturing back....because it is good for America...but right now the US is dependent on some Canadian goods, be it steel, aluminum even softwood and much more...it will take years to rebuild those American industries, and during that time YOU Americans will pay good money for Canadian products ...but lets not forget why they left in the first place....because companies make stuff cheaper in other countries...that is the missing piece here it is called greed....everyone has it Americans and Canadians....