CARNEY STRIKES BACK AGAINST INCREASED US TARIFFS BY LOWERING OUR COUNTER TARIFFS EVEN FURTHER.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

Hard to discuss things with people who's hatred of Poilievre and the Conservatives clouds the slightest understanding of economics, trade, or diplomacy and are egged on by foreign agitators, isn't it Aristides?

Who's desire for revenge and punishment hides every issue from any common sense.

Let's get something straight. I'm a pragmatist who wants the best for my country. We live in a democracy and the people picked Carney over Poilievere. Whether that was the right choice or not remains to be seen, but if you want the best for your country, you better hope that it was.

[Shady]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

At the time I said, as clear as day.

WTF is wrong with hard boiled right wing conservatives reading comprehension these days? Is it a virus of some kind?

He's obviously taking things into consideration on the fly. Everyone has to do that when the most powerful human in the known universe is behaving like a hummingbird on crack.

Sure, but it's not the only energy corridor we have access too.

In any case doing nothing is still a viable option while Trump is still doing more damage than we could inflict.

Sheesh, something that important, you'd think he'd want to understand that kind of thing more.  Probably just wanted to sound tough during the campaign.  It's not great that he's taking things into consideration on the fly, I'd prefer an informed strategy instead.  Yes, doing nothing is more viable, it's too bad he couldn't have told Canadians the truth during the campaign, but I guess he had to get elected somehow.

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

Hard to discuss things with people who's hatred of Carney and the Liberals clouds the slightest understanding of economics, trade, or diplomacy and are egged on by foreign agitators, isn't it Aristides?

Who's desire for revenge and punishment hides every issue from any common sense.

The hatred is well earned if you look at what they've done to the country since taking office in 2015.  Literally everything is worse.

[herbie]

28 minutes ago, Legato said:

hatred of Poilievre and the Conservatives clouds the slightest understanding

Didn't even mention the pr1ck even if he can't speak more than slogans and criticism like you guys.

[Legato]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Let's get something straight. I'm a pragmatist who wants the best for my country. We live in a democracy and the people picked Carney over Poilievere. Whether that was the right choice or not remains to be seen, but if you want the best for your country, you better hope that it was.

I saw through the Carney on day one, lots of words very little action. The people didn't pick the Carney the media did with all the sheeple within the people.

Nothings changed, all talk and very little action.

I do want the best for my country, the Carney's not it.

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

Didn't even mention the pr1ck even if he can't speak more than slogans and criticism like you guys.

That reply proves my point.

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

Sheesh, something that important, you'd think he'd want to understand that kind of thing more. 

Sure, no doubt every single leader and bureaucrat and CEO tasked with trying to understand Trump wants that.

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

Probably just wanted to sound tough during the campaign.

Isn't that always the way? Meanwhile, as pointed out, Conservatives are supporting Carney, Harper is advising him, he's riding high in the polls, the economy is doing better than expected under the circumstances. Better than America's too by the sound of it.

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

It's not great that he's taking things into consideration on the fly, I'd prefer an informed strategy instead. 

You, me, the aforementioned bureaucrats, CEOs and as I'm quite certain Carney would prefer too.

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yes, doing nothing is more viable

And time is now showing to have been on our side given how the pain Trump is causing is starting to inescapably register with American consumers and businesses.

Staying the course is the way forward. Trump's aim is getting better, he's bound to hit something more vital than his foot before long.

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

it's too bad he couldn't have told Canadians the truth during the campaign, but I guess he had to get elected somehow

Edited August 6, 2025 by eyeball

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

I saw through the Carney on day one, lots of words very little action. The people didn't pick the Carney the media did with all the sheeple within the people.

Nothings changed, all talk and very little action.

I do want the best for my country, the Carney's not it.

That reply proves my point.

What are you expecting? What do you want him to do? What do you think he should do that will improve things? What do you think Poilievere would do differently?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

People are already buying less US, looking for alternatives and avoiding travel without tariffs

People are already buying some less, but we want to encourage them to buy even more or less and also business as well

Your argument appears to be that if we increase tariffs it wouldn't change people's behavior in which case that means they're not buying those goods any way so what's your problem with raising it?

It's silly on the face of it

Tariffs are absolutely necessary to maximize the impact

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Trump has backed off some of the tariffs on the auto industry because of the manufacturers, not because of counter tariffs.

We never put counter tariffs on cars. He backed off because the car Industries in the states were going to be the ones paying the price for the tariffs and they simply couldn't. That's a good start, now counter tariffs would affect even more businesses negatively and they would go talking to trump saying this is terrible we need to get this fixed.

 

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GM has been eating the tariffs and took a $1.1 Billion earnings hit in the first quarter because of Trump tariffs, not Canadian tariffs and expects a 4-5 billion hit for the year.  So far Trump has been doing our work for us. 

The way that parts go back and forth across the Border it doesn't matter if it's Canada's tariffs or not, And obviously the car manufacturers cannot keep doing that forever

Again, all you're doing is proving my point. When American Industries feel it then they pressure trump for change

Counter tariffs weaken the American market even further and that puts even greater pressure on trump and that's what helps get you a deal

 

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The US sources minerals etc from outside because they can't produce them economically themselves or just don't have them, not because they are doing anyone favours. The higher their costs, the less competitive they are whether it is from tariffs or cost of production. 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Obviously I agree that there should be no tariffs on either side. I think we should have them drop all of their tariffs and we should drop all of our crap including supply management, only making exceptions in those cases where the government is subsidizing

But right now that's not what's happening. What's happening is trump has tried to figure out exactly how much of a burden the industry's in the states can carry and how bad it will hurt us and these maximized tariffs at that amount. If we step in with counter tariffs then that hurts the already hurting American Industries even more and they will absolutely look to their republican representatives to get a deal in place

 Otherwise there's no impetus for trump to do anything and we wind up getting screwed. How much would you like to bet that the way things are going what we're going to get is permanent tariffs on everything not covered by free trade, less things covered by free trade, and the severe reduction if not an outright collapse of supply management

None of which is a good deal for Canada.

 

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I agree that using any tariff revenues should go to help affected industries but remember who will be paying them. 

We pay them, but the Americans feel it and they pay too in that respect. Yes it's bad, yes wars are bad things that cost money that are not good for society and this is a war. But this is where the liberals have led us, this is where we're at, and we have to do what we have to do and live with the price

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Carney hasn't caved on anything yet, that's why we don't have a deal. 

Carney has caved on everything and that's why we don't have a deal.

He gave twice on increasing spending for NATO, he came dramatically on the digital services tax, he caved by forcing Ontario to back off on its retaliatory tariffs, he caved on the border, He gushed all over trump at the G7, he has caved on literally every single thing to date

Trump smells that as weakness. Trump knows if he holds out for a better deal and Pressures carney and Canada starts to suffer That carney will cave and give him what he wants. He already has dozens of times so when carney tries to play tough guy now trump isn't having anything to do with it

Carney's weakness is killing us and I doubt we're going to wind up with a particularly good deal the longer we wait

[Aristides]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

People are already buying some less, but we want to encourage them to buy even more or less and also business as well

Your argument appears to be that if we increase tariffs it wouldn't change people's behavior in which case that means they're not buying those goods any way so what's your problem with raising it?

It's silly on the face of it

Tariffs are absolutely necessary to maximize the impact

We never put counter tariffs on cars. He backed off because the car Industries in the states were going to be the ones paying the price for the tariffs and they simply couldn't. That's a good start, now counter tariffs would affect even more businesses negatively and they would go talking to trump saying this is terrible we need to get this fixed.

 

The way that parts go back and forth across the Border it doesn't matter if it's Canada's tariffs or not, And obviously the car manufacturers cannot keep doing that forever

Again, all you're doing is proving my point. When American Industries feel it then they pressure trump for change

Counter tariffs weaken the American market even further and that puts even greater pressure on trump and that's what helps get you a deal

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Obviously I agree that there should be no tariffs on either side. I think we should have them drop all of their tariffs and we should drop all of our crap including supply management, only making exceptions in those cases where the government is subsidizing

But right now that's not what's happening. What's happening is trump has tried to figure out exactly how much of a burden the industry's in the states can carry and how bad it will hurt us and these maximized tariffs at that amount. If we step in with counter tariffs then that hurts the already hurting American Industries even more and they will absolutely look to their republican representatives to get a deal in place

 Otherwise there's no impetus for trump to do anything and we wind up getting screwed. How much would you like to bet that the way things are going what we're going to get is permanent tariffs on everything not covered by free trade, less things covered by free trade, and the severe reduction if not an outright collapse of supply management

None of which is a good deal for Canada.

 

We pay them, but the Americans feel it and they pay too in that respect. Yes it's bad, yes wars are bad things that cost money that are not good for society and this is a war. But this is where the liberals have led us, this is where we're at, and we have to do what we have to do and live with the price

Carney has caved on everything and that's why we don't have a deal.

He gave twice on increasing spending for NATO, he came dramatically on the digital services tax, he caved by forcing Ontario to back off on its retaliatory tariffs, he caved on the border, He gushed all over trump at the G7, he has caved on literally every single thing to date

Trump smells that as weakness. Trump knows if he holds out for a better deal and Pressures carney and Canada starts to suffer That carney will cave and give him what he wants. He already has dozens of times so when carney tries to play tough guy now trump isn't having anything to do with it

province Carney's weakness is killing us and I doubt we're going to wind up with a particularly good deal the longer we wait

Increasing defence spending is good for us and we should have been doing it before. He said he would get rid of the digital services tax but all he did was delay. It is still law until Parliament changes it. Until then he has the option of getting rid of it or keeping it depending on how things go. Provinces shouldn't go rogue, foreign relations are a federal responsibility. Do you want every province playing cowboy and doing its own thing? Danielle probably would.

A lot of Trump's so called deals are like this, particularly with the EU. Sound great but not much substance when you actually get into what's involved with implementing them.

Do you really think poking Trump in the eye is a constructive strategy? It might make you feel good for a while but what do you think it will actually accomplish? I prefer the Americans to be the seeds of their own destruction.

Edited August 6, 2025 by Aristides

[Shady]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Increasing defence spending is good for us and we should have been doing it before. He said he would get rid of the digital services tax but all he did was delay. It is still law until Parliament changes it. Until then he has the option of getting rid of it or keeping it depending on how things go. Provinces shouldn't go rogue, foreign relations are a federal responsibility. Do you want every province playing cowboy and doing its own thing? Danielle probably would.

A lot of Trump's so called deals are like this, particularly with the EU. Sound great but not much substance when you actually get into what's involved with implementing them.

Do you really think poking Trump in the eye is a constructive strategy? It might make you feel good for a while but what do you think it will actually accomplish? I prefer the Americans to be the seeds of their own destruction.

We’re increasing defence spending by borrowing more money.  That’s not a brag.   Regardless, Carney talked tough for the election, and has behaved completely opposite.  It’s clear now it was just to win the election.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

We’re increasing defence spending by borrowing more money.  That’s not a brag.   Regardless, Carney talked tough for the election, and has behaved completely opposite.  It’s clear now it was just to win the election.

So you don't think we should be increasing defence spending. Noted.

I'll ask you the same questions I asked Legato.

What are you expecting? What do you want him to do? What do you think he should do that will improve things? What do you think Poilievere would do differently?

Edited August 6, 2025 by Aristides

[paxamericana]

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What are you expecting? What do you want him to do? What do you think he should do that will improve things? What do you think Poilievere would do differently?

51st

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Increasing defence spending is good for us and we should have been doing it before.

But we weren't. Then trump showed up pointed his finger and said do it and we did it. Whether it's a good idea or not it's us caving

 

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He said he would get rid of the digital services tax but all he did was delay.

In other words he caved. Trump said don't do it and he said yes or yes sir and didn't. What he's done with the law is irrelevant even if he had canceled the law he could go back and repass the law if he wanted to. But the point is he took it off the table and even more importantly he did it in a incredible display of rolling over and showing your belly. On Friday he had his finance minister out saying we would never reconsider it and on Sunday he was on the news canceling. That is horrible. 

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 Provinces shouldn't go rogue, foreign relations are a federal responsibility. Do you want every province playing cowboy and doing its own thing? Danielle probably would.

I tend to think that the provinces shouldn't go rogue either but the bottom line is he still jumped as soon as trump opened his Yap and gave him what he wanted. No matter how you slice it that's bending over and capitulating. Ford announced that he was going to be looking at retaliation if the tariffs went into effect, the time to shut him down would have been before he did that.

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A lot of Trump's so called deals are like this, particularly with the EU. Sound great but not much substance when you actually get into what's involved with implementing them.

But they are implementing them. They live up to the spirit of them even though they haven't worked out all of the details. And it brings some certainty to their markets. And it's more than we've got

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Do you really think poking Trump in the eye is a constructive strategy? It might make you feel good for a while but what do you think it will actually accomplish? I prefer the Americans to be the seeds of their own destruction.

Yeah. If we genuinely cannot negotiate a deal then yes I absolutely do. Carney said he did too by the way before you go talking about how terrible an idea that is. That's why he sent that deadline. Oh I guess I'll have to be more specific he moved it a few times. But the final deadline of august 1st was supposed to be the kill date after which we would look at additional tariffs and bringing pressure to the Americans the other way

And yes it hurts but you do it and then you get a deal. What we've got now is the opposite of a deal, Our tariffs have gone up.

 

You guys are absolutely stunning in your hypocrisy, All through the election you were all "ELBOWS UP, CARNEY CAN GET IT DONE,  PP WOULD JUST CAVE, HE"D DO WHATEVER TRUMP WANTED"!

Now you're whole thing is "well we can't possibly get it done, you can't blame carney for that, caving was the right thing to do, we'd be stupid to put up a fight!!!!

The only people that cave faster than Carney are you

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But we weren't. Then trump showed up pointed his finger and said do it and we did it. Whether it's a good idea or not it's us caving

 

In other words he caved. Trump said don't do it and he said yes or yes sir and didn't. What he's done with the law is irrelevant even if he had canceled the law he could go back and repass the law if he wanted to. But the point is he took it off the table and even more importantly he did it in a incredible display of rolling over and showing your belly. On Friday he had his finance minister out saying we would never reconsider it and on Sunday he was on the news canceling. That is horrible. 

I tend to think that the provinces shouldn't go rogue either but the bottom line is he still jumped as soon as trump opened his Yap and gave him what he wanted. No matter how you slice it that's bending over and capitulating. Ford announced that he was going to be looking at retaliation if the tariffs went into effect, the time to shut him down would have been before he did that.

But they are implementing them. They live up to the spirit of them even though they haven't worked out all of the details. And it brings some certainty to their markets. And it's more than we've got

Yeah. If we genuinely cannot negotiate a deal then yes I absolutely do. Carney said he did too by the way before you go talking about how terrible an idea that is. That's why he sent that deadline. Oh I guess I'll have to be more specific he moved it a few times. But the final deadline of august 1st was supposed to be the kill date after which we would look at additional tariffs and bringing pressure to the Americans the other way

And yes it hurts but you do it and then you get a deal. What we've got now is the opposite of a deal, Our tariffs have gone up.

 

You guys are absolutely stunning in your hypocrisy, All through the election you were all "ELBOWS UP, CARNEY CAN GET IT DONE,  PP WOULD JUST CAVE, HE"D DO WHATEVER TRUMP WANTED"!

Now you're whole thing is "well we can't possibly get it done, you can't blame carney for that, caving was the right thing to do, we'd be stupid to put up a fight!!!!

The only people that cave faster than Carney are you

We were increasing it to 2% allegedly, now he says 3%. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see

Digital service tax. Maybe gone, maybe not. It's still there, just not implemented

Trump changes his mind daily but you want to handcuff Carney.  I say play Trump's game, Trump's way. 

I don't know what PP would have done but he was his own worst enemy by using similar campaign tactics as Trump. Canadians didn't like that. PP made his own bed and Carney took advantage. Politics is a b!tch. You want to blame someone for the election result, blame Trump. 

Carney hasn't really caved on anything and that upsets you. He doesn't negotiate in public and that also upsets you. He doesn't give you anything so you have to make it up. That upsets you.

 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

We were increasing it to 2% allegedly, now he says 3%. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see

Digital service tax. Maybe gone, maybe not. It's still there, just not implemented

Trump changes his mind daily but you want to handcuff Carney.  I say play Trump's game, Trump's way. 

I don't know what PP would have done but he was his own worst enemy by using similar campaign tactics as Trump. Canadians didn't like that. PP made his own bed and Carney took advantage. Politics is a b!tch. You want to blame someone for the election result, blame Trump. 

Carney hasn't really caved on anything and that upsets you. He doesn't negotiate in public and that also upsets you. He doesn't give you anything so you have to make it up. That upsets you.

 

No we weren't increasing it to 2%. We've been promising to do that for years and we promised even to the last minute under Trudeau that it would happen in the next 5 or 10 years or so

And carney gets in and trump is angry and and carney says we'll get it done in a year. Which is fine but he didn't get anything for it. And negotiating if you give something up you get something for it that's how it works. If all you do is give him what he wants and you get nothing then you're rolling over

The digital service tax is gone. Sorry but that was a major flop

Trump doesn't change his mind daily, he's actually somewhat predictable. If you show him weakness he will go for your throat. If you don't put pressure on trump he will just keep coming after you

Poilievre didn't use the same tactics as trump, that was immediate construction.

And carney has caved on everything and I have literally spelled it out for you and you haven't come up with any kind of rebuttal.

And instead of addressing it like a normal human being or intelligent person you try and pass it off Your inability to accept simple truths that are demonstrably evident as being somehow my fault.

 

Here let's turn it around, I've named a number of things that Carney has given up and they absolutely has given it up let's not be children. So what has he gotten? In a negotiation if you give something up you were supposed to get something in return right? That's how it works give and take. Well he gave up the tax that we are not charging, he agreed to insanely hire spending on borders and military, he agreed to take off almost all of our counter tarrifs including but not limited to Ontario.

That is indisputable. So what did we get? If carney didn't roll over what did we get?

Also can you explain why Lloyd refers to him as a bootlicker 

[Aristides]

46 minutes ago, Aristides said:

We were increasing it to 2% allegedly, now he says 3%. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see

Digital service tax. Maybe gone, maybe not. It's still there, just not implemented

Trump changes his mind daily but you want to handcuff Carney.  I say play Trump's game, Trump's way. 

I don't know what PP would have done but he was his own worst enemy by using similar campaign tactics as Trump. Canadians didn't like that. PP made his own bed and Carney took advantage. Politics is a b!tch. You want to blame someone for the election result, blame Trump. 

Carney hasn't really caved on anything and that upsets you. He doesn't negotiate in public and that also upsets you. He doesn't give you anything so you have to make it up. That upsets you.

 

 

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No we weren't increasing it to 2%. We've been promising to do that for years and we promised even to the last minute under Trudeau that it would happen in the next 5 or 10 years or so

And carney gets in and trump is angry and and carney says we'll get it done in a year. Which is fine but he didn't get anything for it. And negotiating if you give something up you get something for it that's how it works. If all you do is give him what he wants and you get nothing then you're rolling over

The digital service tax is gone. Sorry but that was a major flop

Trump doesn't change his mind daily, he's actually somewhat predictable. If you show him weakness he will go for your throat. If you don't put pressure on trump he will just keep coming after you

Poilievre didn't use the same tactics as trump, that was immediate construction.

And carney has caved on everything and I have literally spelled it out for you and you haven't come up with any kind of rebuttal.

And instead of addressing it like a normal human being or intelligent person you try and pass it off Your inability to accept simple truths that are demonstrably evident as being somehow my fault.

 

Here let's turn it around, I've named a number of things that Carney has given up and they absolutely has given it up let's not be children. So what has he gotten? In a negotiation if you give something up you were supposed to get something in return right? That's how it works give and take. Well he gave up the tax that we are not charging, he agreed to insanely hire spending on borders and military, he agreed to take off almost all of our counter tarrifs including but not limited to Ontario.

That is indisputable. So what did we get? If carney didn't roll over what did we get?

Also can you explain why Lloyd refers to him as a bootlicker 

What has he actually given up? Be specific. He has said stuff but can change his mind, just like Trump. 

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

What are you expecting? What do you want him to do? What do you think he should do that will improve things? What do you think Poilievere would do differently?

Show some spine against Trump, exploring caves doesn't cut it.

His word salads are approaching the Harris level.

 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Show some spine against Trump, exploring caves doesn't cut it.

His word salads are approaching the Harris level.

 

So you have no answers, you just want him to fail.

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you have no answers, you just want him to fail.

So you don't like the answers.

Got it.

[Aristides]

That wasn't an answer. I gave it more respect than it deserved.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Provinces shouldn't go rogue, foreign relations are a federal responsibility. Do you want every province playing cowboy and doing its own thing? Danielle probably would.

It's interesting that we have an attack dog in Ontario lunging at Trump and a lap dog in Alberta snapping at anyone who threatens him.

10$ says Carney knows the answer to the question does your dog bite.

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So you don't think we should be increasing defence spending. Noted.

I'll ask you the same questions I asked Legato.

What are you expecting? What do you want him to do? What do you think he should do that will improve things? What do you think Poilievere would do differently?

I think we should increase defence spending by finding other things in the budget to cut.  Borrowing more money and adding more debt isn’t the answer.  Last year, for the first time ever, the federal government spent more money on debt servicing than on health care.  Just so you know, that’s not good.  2 things Pierre would do differently that would greatly benefit Canada, is eliminate the industrial carbon tax.  It only makes our industry less competitive with our chief economic rivals the United States and China.  It also makes things more expensive, as it act like a self imposed tariff.  The second is drastically slow immigration.  We need a few years of literally zero, to allow things like housing and health care to adjust.  We need housing supply to catch up with demand.  The easiest way to do that is dramatically reduce demand.  We also need more doctors and nurses to keep up with health care demand.  Just those two things would decrease the cost of housing, decrease health care wait times, and increase Canadian businesses competitiveness globally.  But Carney won’t do any of that.  He should also be willing to use the not withstanding clause to get energy projects approved immediately.  Carney won’t do that either.  He just talks and talks and takes endless photo ops.

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, that's just dumb. What happens is the Americans wind up sourcing more of their materials and such from inside the united states and away from Canada so when we buy their products we're buying more American stuff and less Canadian stuff. This is already beginning to happen.

The Americans don't produce enough steel, aluminum, or copper, not to mention softwood lumber or semiconductors, and won't for many years, if ever. So as stockpiles disappear, they will have no choice but to buy, pay the tariffs, and then jack up the prices of everything made with these materials.

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

We trade more with Mexico and look how high the wall got. You Canucks should be thankful we didn’t catch more of your fentanyl.

A ton of narcotics goes north across the border for every ounce of narcotics going south.

Not to mention illegal guns and illegal immigrants.

[I am Groot]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's interesting that we have an attack dog in Ontario lunging at Trump and a lap dog in Alberta snapping at anyone who threatens him.

Ford isn't an attack dog. Like Carney, he's all mouth and retreats at the first opposition.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

I saw through the Carney on day one, lots of words very little action. The people didn't pick the Carney the media did with all the sheeple within the people.

Carney on the day before the election: "This is a national crisis of historical proportions!"
Carney on the day after the election: "Time for a vacation! See you all in four months!"

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The Americans don't produce enough steel, aluminum, or copper, not to mention softwood lumber or semiconductors, and won't for many years, if ever. So as stockpiles disappear, they will have no choice but to buy, pay the tariffs, and then jack up the prices of everything made with these materials.

A ton of narcotics goes north across the border for every ounce of narcotics going south.

Not to mention illegal guns and illegal immigrants.

Actually, illegal guns are almost 100% American exports.

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Ford isn't an attack dog. Like Carney, he's all mouth and retreats at the first opposition.

At least no one is calling them TACO.