Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm actually believing journalists on the ground. See my post a bit earlier. 

 

You mean like the ones that took the picture of the starving kid that turned out to have a muscle disease and wasn't starving?

The Nazis used propaganda and friendly journalism as well. They practically pioneered the concept. You're believing the Nazis

[User]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm actually believing journalists on the ground. See my post a bit earlier. 

Hamas is not the issue here. It's the more than a million civilians that Israel are systematically starving to death with no plan on how to deal with them. 

Hama is 100% the issue here. Israel is not starving people to death, they are fighting a war against Hamas they started on October 7th 2 years ago when Hamas invaded killing, raping, torturing, and taking hostages that they still have today. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Are you calling the NDP a "centrist party"?   They are really radical left closer to Communist.   

I only made it to the second sentence.  The NDP aren't close to Communist and they don't even support Nationalization.  Let's just leave that side item.

The US and Canada have traditionally supported two states including Conservatives.

Politics did NOT start in 2016.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Trump just uses that as an excuse. He is intent on bending Canada on the rack to crush us.

Carney doesn't seem to understand Canada's place in the world.  Canada is not a super power and in fact is a very minor player.  Canada neglected its responsibility to meet 2% for NATO and is pretty much a weakling in the world.  Carney should stop acting as if Canada is some kind of major player or superpower.   Canada depends on the U.S. for its security and Trump knows it.  Liberals should start acting like it instead of being pompous know-it-alls concerning Israel and the middle east problem.

 Electing Carney and the Liberals, that have no use for Israel while America strongly supports Israel, is proving to be a recipe for disaster for Canada.  Carney is a U.N. / Vatican servant, climate fighting globalist, the exact opposite of what Trump and many Americans believe in.  No wonder Trump is much opposed to Canada.  It is the globalist liberal anti-Israel PM that Trump has a problem with.  

To top it off, making that kind of announcement in the middle of trade negotiations is an insane provocation.  He was elected to represent Canada in dealing with Trump, not push his own globalist agenda.

Edited July 31, 2025 by blackbird

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Canada voted in a government that is trying to help stop a genocide.  Good. 

There has been an attempted genocide going on there since 1948, genius, but the intended victims keep on winning. 

[Queenmandy85]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Carney is a U.N. / Vatican servant, climate fighting globalist, the exact opposite of what Trump and many Americans believe in.

Trump and the Americans (sounds like a 60's rock and roll band) are wrong. 

[blackbird]

45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The US and Canada have traditionally supported two states including Conservatives.

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Agree

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Historically, the Conservative Party of Canada has shown support for Israel, emphasizing the importance of its security and right to exist. While the party has not explicitly rejected the idea of a two-state solution, its strong support for Israel suggests a nuanced position that might prioritize Israel's security concerns. The party's policies and statements generally align with a balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, recognizing the complexity of the issue but not explicitly centering their foreign policy around the advocacy for a two-state solution as the only resolution. Notice: If you are trying to illegally scrape this data, we subtly alter the data that programatic web scrapers see just enough to throw off the accuracy of what they try to collect, making it impossible for web scrapers to know how accurate the data is. If you would like to use this data, please go to https://www.isidewith.com/insights/ for options on how to legally use it.

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Conservatives platform and policy on Two State Solution for Israel and Palestine

The Conservative policy is more nuanced that you are suggesting.  They would not be in agreement with the Liberals and NDP.

Personally I don't believe a two-state solution is a realistic solution.  You can't give Palestinians part of Israel when it would mean terrorists would use it as a base of attack.  What is the sense of giving part of Israel to people who don't believe Israel even has the right to exist?

Edited July 31, 2025 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

ChatGPT

You’ve been using AI for a lot of your posts recently, haven’t you?

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You mean like the ones that took the picture of the starving kid that turned out to have a muscle disease and wasn't starving?

Did you make that up yourself or find it on some bullshit site you found growing in the mouldy basement of the Internet?

The 2 state solution has been Canada's policy for decades but suddenly actually talking to make it happen is a disaster?

[User]

40 minutes ago, herbie said:

Did you make that up yourself or find it on some bullshit site you found growing in the mouldy basement of the Internet?

No. The NYT updated their story after they posted that picture of the starving kid on the cover:

"Mohammed, according to his doctor, had pre-existing health problems affecting his brain and his muscle development. But his health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food and medical care, and the medical clinic that treated him said he suffers from severe malnutrition."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/nyt-adds-sick-editors-note-133447197.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/gaza-starvation.html

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

The 2 state solution has been Canada's policy for decades but suddenly actually talking to make it happen is a disaster?

When it is in response to Hamas starting this war with Israel? Yes. 

[suds]

So the UN will soon recognize this new state of Palestine which will be a predominantly Arab state (which goes without saying). And the Arabs will recognize the state of Israel but never as a Jewish state. The Right of Return will see to that. The new state will be demilitarized, Hamas will be no more, and there will be free and fair elections. Right. Can't see anything going wrong here.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

"

ChatGPT

Agree

Yes

Historically, the Conservative Party of Canada has shown support for Israel, emphasizing the importance of its security and right to exist. While the party has not explicitly rejected the idea of a two-state solution, its strong support for Israel suggests a nuanced position that might prioritize Israel's security concerns. The party's policies and statements generally align with a balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, recognizing the complexity of the issue but not explicitly centering their foreign policy around the advocacy for a two-state solution as the only resolution. Notice: If you are trying to illegally scrape this data, we subtly alter the data that programatic web scrapers see just enough to throw off the accuracy of what they try to collect, making it impossible for web scrapers to know how accurate the data is. If you would like to use this data, please go to https://www.isidewith.com/insights/ for options on how to legally use it.

Disagree

No

The Conservative Party of Canada does not explicitly oppose a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. However, given their strong support for Israel, there may be concerns about how a two-state solution would affect Israel's security and borders. The party's stance is more likely to be influenced by the specifics of any proposed solution, including how it addresses security issues for Israel. Therefore, while not outright opposing a two-state solution, the party's support might be conditional on the details of such a proposal. Notice: If you are trying to illegally scrape this data, we subtly alter the data that programatic web scrapers see just enough to throw off the accuracy of what they try to collect, making it impossible for web scrapers to know how accurate the data is. If you would like to use this data, please go to https://www.isidewith.com/insights/ for options on how to legally use it."

Conservatives platform and policy on Two State Solution for Israel and Palestine

The Conservative policy is more nuanced that you are suggesting.  They would not be in agreement with the Liberals and NDP.

Personally I don't believe a two-state solution is a realistic solution.  You can't give Palestinians part of Israel when it would mean terrorists would use it as a base of attack.  What is the sense of giving part of Israel to people who don't believe Israel even has the right to exist?

I don't know why you went to Chat GPT.  I would rather discuss with YOU.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-supports-two-state-solution-stephen-harper-tells-benjamin-netanyahu-1.3004891

 

There's Harper talking about the issue.

What's the solution if not two-state?  What about occupied territories?  Can a state invade and claim captured land ? Also, you're asking what is the sense of a two-state solution... But it has been supported by majorities on both sides and recent memory. 

 

Erin O'Toole here tacitly supports it but criticizes Carney's approach. 

 

https://x.com/erinotoole/status/1950750587336683691

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You’ve been using AI for a lot of your posts recently, haven’t you?

I had a close friend of mine, a MAGA person, try to send me a chat. GPT as his argument for a position. 

It's kind of strange. It's not as strong as a cite but it's more holistic than just sending a bunch of disconnected links. 

In the end I would say sending an AI grab is like copying someone else's argument, but we care, and posting that.

Edited July 31, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[herbie]

58 minutes ago, User said:

health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food

yet you use it to deny there's starvation. 
I suppose those twists rather than folds in your brain matter cause you to see the Sun as purple too.

[User]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

yet you use it to deny there's starvation. 
I suppose those twists rather than folds in your brain matter cause you to see the Sun as purple too.

There is no wide spread starvation. They find the most egregious examples that are compouded by other issues and then you folks pretend like that is every young child there when it is not. 

You notice how these photos of starving kids have parents that don't look like they are starving?

It is not to say there are not tragedies and they are heart breaking, where some people and some kids have medical issues compounded by the lack of advanced care. To sit here acting like it is some wide spread mass starvation is just a lie. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Did you make that up yourself or find it on some bullshit site you found growing in the mouldy basement of the Internet?

 

The mouldiest - the new york times.  The people who posted the original picture. 

Corrections: July 30, 2025 - The New York Times

NYT Appends Gazan Child Photo With Editors' Note - i24NEWS

New York Times clarifies misleading image of Gaza child claimed to be starving

 

The kid was that bad off BEFORE the war.  Which is why his mom and his brother in the background look well fed while he didn't. Which you would have wondered about if you had half a brain cell. 

You'd look less stupid if you actually looked things up before opening your mouth 

 

2 hours ago, herbie said:

 

The 2 state solution has been Canada's policy for decades but suddenly actually talking to make it happen is a disaster?

It's a disaster to wait decades to do it and then choose to do it a few days before we're supposed to try and finalize the deal with an egotistical maniac who's going to be utterly pissed that we did this.

I know you have the brains of a particularly retarded Cocker Spaniel but surely to god even you can figure out that doing this just before we're trying to solidify a deal with trump is a horrible idea

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, User said:

There is no wide spread starvation.

So you’re saying people are being fed as they should be and there’s an acceptable level of starvation?  Or none at all?  

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re saying people are being fed as they should be and there’s an acceptable level of starvation?  Or none at all?  

Hardly matters. It's not the Israelis that are holding up to the delivery of food

[blackbird]

Well, what a silly thing to say.  You and I are not walking encyclopedias with all the details of party policies at our fingertips.  You raised the issue so off course one must search and find those kind of details. 

Edited July 31, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I had a close friend of mine, a MAGA person, try to send me a chat. GPT as his argument for a position. 

It's kind of strange. It's not as strong as a cite but it's more holistic than just sending a bunch of disconnected links. 

In the end I would say sending an AI grab is like copying someone else's argument, but we care, and posting that.

So you must have all the political party policies in your head?  Must be a genius.

[User]

40 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re saying people are being fed as they should be and there’s an acceptable level of starvation?  Or none at all?  

No, I said there is no wide spread starvation.

Not being fed as you “should be” != starvation.

You are disingenuously going from one extreme to the other. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you must have all the political party policies in your head?  Must be a genius.

No.  But AI gets it wrong.  It's just as easy to Google Stephen Harper Israel policy 

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Israel should never have been placed in Palistine.

History shows Israel occupied the land of Israel nearly 4,000 years ago.  Their connection to the land is historic and biblical.  There is no doubt.

quote

The history of Israel and the Arab nations starts with Abram (later called Abraham). Some 4,000 years ago Abram was called by God to go from his home in Ur of the Chaldeans and travel to a land that God would give to him and his descendants, Fig.1. Scholars date this migration from Ur somewhere between 1900 and 1750 BC, and the land in question was Canaan. God said to Abram:

Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation … (Gen 12.1)

That nation was Israel. At this time God set about making a people for Himself to be a witness of Himself to the nations, and they were given the land of Canaan for perpetuity (Gen: 17,8). Through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came the Twelve Tribes of Israel (Judah, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan …) and they inhabited the land God gave them – the area currently known as Israel, including the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights.

Sadly, after the Davidic Kingdom around 1,000 BC the tribes of Israel gradually fell away from their God and through their disobedience were uprooted from their land and scattered throughout the nations. Israel’s scattering (the diaspora) was complete around 586 BC. Subsequently, in 70 AD the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple in Jerusalem and declared the land of Israel would be no more. To this end they renamed the land of Israel, principally Judea, as ‘Palaestina‘ (modern Palestine) which some believe as an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. 

Further down.....

The Promised Land – Canaan

As stated, the covenant between God and Abraham was unconditional and everlasting, although God later warned Abraham’s descendants that they may suffer (temporary) exile if they were disobedient to Him (Deut 28.15-37). But, irrespective of how they behaved, it was certain that from Abraham would eventually come a great nation and a great blessing to the nations, and Abraham’s descendants would be given the so-called ‘Promised Land’ of Canaan as an everlasting possession (Gen 17.8). 

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For the whole article:

History of Israel timeline | Abraham to modern Israel | Facts about Israel

Edited August 1, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

The 2 state solution has been Canada's policy for decades but suddenly actually talking to make it happen is a disaster?

The land of Israel includes the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.  The whole land historically and Biblically belongs to Israel.  Nothing Carney or other countries say will change that fact.

History of Israel timeline | Abraham to modern Israel | Facts about Israel

[herbie]

No these guys are grasping at any straw whatsoever, even if it contradicts what they're trying to defend, to excuse the disgusting abuses of the govt of Israel.
Because the kid in the picture was sick is not proof that the intended mass starvation is not happening. That they  started lettin aid trucks in yesterday or the week before does not prove they weren't blocking them the week before.

They'll swear that seat belt laws don't work because people who won't use them are still dying.

Desperate, lying. petty little flunkies in denial, beholden to their preconceived beliefs.