Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[CdnFox]

Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

FAAAACK!!!

So much for Carney being able to "handle trump". 

Carney was counting on that money too. So if he caves and cancels the tax he will look weak as hell and have an even bigger deficit. Not to mention the fact that the Canadian news producers won't like it. And if he tries to keep it trump won't talk trade with him so we keep our tariffs and lose more jobs

Anyone who voted for this a****** thinking he somehow could handle trump deserves to be dipped in Puppy Chow and thrown to a pack of rabid poodles.

[Barquentine]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So much for Carney being able to "handle trump".

So you're blaming Carney because King DonJon the first is a temperamental 7 year old who only knows the last thing someone told him. And all those someones are moronic toadies or grasping greedy tech giants. PeePee never would have let this happen! Serves us right for thinking we have our own country!!!

Edited Friday at 06:21 PM by Barquentine

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

So you're blaming Carney because King DonJon the first is a temperamental 7 year old who only knows the last thing someone told him. And all those someones are moronic toadies or grasping greedy tech giants. PeePee never would have let this happen! Serves us right for thinking we have our own country!!!

Translation....my TDS is raging today, must be that time of the month.

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

FAAAACK!!!

So much for Carney being able to "handle trump". 

Carney was counting on that money too. So if he caves and cancels the tax he will look weak as hell and have an even bigger deficit. Not to mention the fact that the Canadian news producers won't like it. And if he tries to keep it trump won't talk trade with him so we keep our tariffs and lose more jobs

Anyone who voted for this a****** thinking he somehow could handle trump deserves to be dipped in Puppy Chow and thrown to a pack of rabid poodles.

No sovereign government can allow a foreign president to dictate our domestic tax policy according to his own ideology. Trump’s claims are ridiculous the digital services tax applies to Canadian and non-Canadian businesses alike so this not about trade fairness and not “an attack on USA” as the orange id1ot declared  The MAGAs simply want to impose their ideology and remake us in their image and Trump wants to serve his tech bro clients  

And this is yet  another nail in the coffin for the claim that Trump prefers Liberals because it’s easier to get his way with them. As he has said many times in the past, he again complained that the Liberals are “very difficult” negotiators.
 

What do you think PP would have done?

TBH this is better than some kind of settlement where we have to at least symbolically bend the knee to the mad king and everyone gets accustomed to being a US vassal state just with terms slightly worse than before. Let’s keep diversifying away from USA and get building the stronger better Canada of the future

Edited Friday at 06:34 PM by BeaverFever

[herbie]

F*ck the bawling baby and his temper tantrums. He doesn't tell us what to do in our own country. Like a 3 year old that's never been spanked.
Well, really he does tell us what to do on a daily basis, but we need to tell him to f*ck right off.

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

Translation....my TDS is raging today, must be that time of the month.

People don't make comments about the funny looking red hat?

[Legato]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

People don't make comments about the funny looking red hat?

Well stop then.

[herbie]

Like Lucy and the football....

"We're close to a deal" then rips the ball away over some petty issue. 

Going after countries for having their own food standards, tax policies, etc. The megalomaniac thinks he's King Shit of the whole world.

Time to spank his babyish butt, before Iran does.

[Nefarious Banana]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

Like Lucy and the football....

"We're close to a deal" then rips the ball away over some petty issue. 

Going after countries for having their own food standards, tax policies, etc. The megalomaniac thinks he's King Shit of the whole world.

Time to spank his babyish butt, before Iran does.

'The Don' is coming for you little man . . . you've been marked.

[User]

23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump’s claims are ridiculous the digital services tax applies to Canadian and non-Canadian businesses alike so this not about trade fairness and not “an attack on USA” as the orange id1ot declared  The MAGAs simply want to impose their ideology and remake us in their image and Trump wants to serve his tech bro clients  

You are being dishonest here by omission:

This tax would be retroactive, estimated to cost US businesses some 2 billion dollars, and it is also estimated that 90% of this tax would be paid for by US businesses. 

Sitting here saying it applies to both Canadians and non-Canadians is grossly dishonest by omission with the impact it will have. 

This isn't a MAGA issue either, as past Presidents, both Republicans and Democrats have oppsed this when it was previously brought up. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

Well stop then.

I don't usually comment, just laugh at the so-called fashion statement....

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

So you're blaming Carney because King DonJon the first is a temperamental 7 year old who only knows the last thing someone told him.

Yeah. Because Carney knew all of that and still said he could handle trump no problem.  That was his big election pitch.  He could deal with trump. 

So i'm blaming Carney for promising to do something and then failing.  He's failed badly so far, tariffs have gone up dramatically since his win, ours have gone down, and now trump won't even talk to us. 

The real question is why aren't you blaming him? He said he could deal with this and he's not. That affects all Canadians

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And all those someones are moronic toadies or grasping greedy tech giants. PeePee never would have let this happen! 

Frankly that's true. He would have kept up the pressure on trump. He wouldn't have rolled over and showed his belly. He would have done what carney promised to do and kept his elbows up. China just signed a favorable deal with the us because they didn't cave. Trump respect strength

But because carney will do whatever trump tells him to do trump is behaving this way and we've got a problem.

So say what you like but carney promised he would get this done and he has utterly failed to date

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No sovereign government can allow a foreign president to dictate our domestic tax policy according to his own ideology. Trump’s claims are ridiculous the digital services tax applies to Canadian and non-Canadian businesses alike so this not about trade fairness and not “an attack on USA” as the orange id1ot declared  The MAGAs simply want to impose their ideology and remake us in their image and Trump wants to serve his tech bro clients  

Yeah. None of that should come as a surprise to anyone of course

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And this is yet  another nail in the coffin for the claim that Trump prefers Liberals because it’s easier to get his way with them. As he has said many times in the past, he again complained that the Liberals are “very difficult” negotiators.

 

The opposite is true. And trump didn't say they're difficult negotiators, he said canada is difficult to do business with and he's been saying that since before the election. But the reality is he wouldn't do this if Canadians were actually difficult negotiators.

All this is is proof that he believes carney will roll over and do what he's told. Which will probably turn out to be true

 

58 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What do you think PP would have done?

Kept his elbows up amusingly. We would have had tough times in the short term but we would have had better times in the long term. Which is what carney said he was going to do.

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TBH this is better than some kind of settlement where we have to at least symbolically bend the knee to the mad king and everyone gets accustomed to being a US vassal state just with terms slightly worse than before. Let’s keep diversifying away from USA and get building the stronger better Canada of the future

Dude I hate to break it to you but that deal is still coming. We are still going to wind up bending the knee.

[BeaverFever]

49 minutes ago, User said:

You are being dishonest here by omission:

This tax would be retroactive, estimated to cost US businesses some 2 billion dollars, and it is also estimated that 90% of this tax would be paid for by US businesses. 

Sitting here saying it applies to both Canadians and non-Canadians is grossly dishonest by omission with the impact it will have. 

This isn't a MAGA issue either, as past Presidents, both Republicans and Democrats have oppsed this when it was previously brought up. 

 

Nothing dishonest about it and what you stated is irrelevant. 

The only legitimate grievance a country can raise about another country’s domestic tax policy is if the tax poses an unfair trade advantage by selectively taxing or not taxing companies from certain countries.  Canadian digital companies are also subject to the same tax so US companies are not at any competitive disadvantage.
 

They’ve also known about this tax since the legislation was introduced in 2019 so surely have been accruing this cost, which is a rounding error compared to how much money they make. Last year alone Amazon had $638 Billion. USD in revenue. Google had $350 billion. Add in Netflix, Apple and all the other tech cos, I’m sure they were able to collectively scrape together a measly $2Bn over the past several years. 

Edited Friday at 07:50 PM by BeaverFever

[LinkSoul60]

So why not break off talks with European countries who have DST?  The DF's in the US have known about this since 2021.

Guessing Trump and his equally inept trade minions got themselves in a lesser position and do what they do best... jump, cry and say it's not fair.  This is nothing more than Trump's lame ass negotiating style and will be on the back page next week or shortly thereafter.  Art of the deal... he's a f*cking joke.

[BeaverFever]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The opposite is true. And trump didn't say they're difficult negotiators, he said canada is difficult to do business with and he's been saying that since before the election

Explain the difference 

 

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But the reality is he wouldn't do this if Canadians were actually difficult negotiators.

All this is is proof that he believes carney will roll over and do what he's told. Which will probably turn out to be true

That makes absolutely no sense. The fact they didn’t rollover is proof that they will roll over?  What exactly do you think he would do  if they were ere actually difficult negotiators?

 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kept his elbows up amusingly. We would have had tough times in the short term but we would have had better times in the long term. Which is what carney said he was going to do.

That’s exactly what’s happening right now but you’re suggesting it’s a sign of failure not the road to success. 
 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude I hate to break it to you but that deal is still coming. We are still going to wind up bending the knee.

We will see. At some point there will be a “new normal” and I suspect that even if Carney gets 99.99% of what Canadians want conservatives will claim that he caved, bent the knee and sold out. Meanwhile if PP is the PM when things are settled even if he caves to the US on 99.99% of issues conservatives will tout the 0.01% as a landslide victory

That’s how that judgment will go, same as it ever does. 

[User]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nothing dishonest about it and what you stated is irrelevant. 

This is another dishonest response. 

If you sit here trying to claim this is some MAGA thing to oppose this, my pointing out that this concept has been opposed on a bipartisan basis across multiple administrations, both Republican and Democrat, is entirely relevant. 

When you sit here trying to argue that this is an OK tax, presenting only one metric, that it applies to both US and Canadian businesses... it is entirely relevant to point out the other facts that show how unfair/egregious this tax is. 

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The only legitimate grievance a country can raise about another country’s domestic tax policy is if the tax poses an unfair trade advantage by selectively taxing or not taxing companies from certain countries.  Canadian digital companies are also subject to the same tax so US companies are not at any competitive disadvantage.

Says who? You making up the rules on what is and is not valid is absurd on its face. Clearly the country you are imposing most of your taxes on disagrees. 

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

They’ve also known about this tax since the legislation was introduced in 2019 so surely have been accruing this cost, which is a rounding error compared to how much money they make. Last year alone Amazon had $638 Billion. USD in revenue. Google had $350 billion. Add in Netflix, Apple and all the other tech cos, I’m sure they were able to collectively scrape together a measly $2Bn over the past several years. 

Knowing about the potential for a future tax is meaningless in light of the egregious nature of retroactive legislation. It doesn't somehow make it better to pass a retroactively applied tax because you knew folks were talking about it before. 

The Canadian government's budget is about 500 billion a year, I am sure they can get by without a retroactive tax grab. 

You also ignorantly present revenue instead of profits. Amazon still has a huge operating cost, that is not what they profit each year. 

 

[WestCanMan]

We elected a liar and an idjit to run our country, and now we're in the same boat as we were back when sock-boy was in the PMO. 

It's time for us to learn to speak 'Murican, y'all. Good news is that we can drop the "u" from our favorite words. 

 

[herbie]

Listen to you Magatts and traitors carry on. The oaf just called off the whole trade talks over a tax IN CANADA for digital services doing business IN CANADA.*

And you all act like he has even the slightest right to do so. Just weeks after threatening Europe over 'wonderful US beef' filled with hormones, dies, antibiotics and preservatives like no other place has any right to set its own rules about anything.

All the whining over the WTO is just an attempt to force the whole world to submit to US made in Washington Trade Law. Goddam dupes!

*even dumber, Americans will pay tariffs instead of Canadians paying those digital taxes.

Edited Friday at 10:34 PM by herbie

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

The oaf just called off the whole trade talks over a tax IN CANADA for digital services doing business IN CANADA.

Actually that is not quite correct herbie.   It is a tax on multinational companies based in America and probably mostly owned by Americans.  But really what is happening is these companies like Amazon, Google, etc.  will just pass this tax on to their Canadian customers.  So it is really just another tax on Canadians hidden by the way it is using these companies to collect it for them.  Do you really think these companies will absorb this tax themselves and not pass it on?

This is just another hidden tax on Canadians.  They are using these companies to collect it from Canadians.  So Trump is doing us a favour if he can get rid of it.

Edited Friday at 10:40 PM by blackbird

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually that is not quite correct herbie.   It is a tax on multinational companies based in America and probably mostly owned by Americans. 

Don't bore herbie with facts. He has the vaccine anyways, so he's immune to them. 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No sovereign government can allow a foreign president to dictate our domestic tax policy according to his own ideology. Trump’s claims are ridiculous the digital services tax applies to Canadian and non-Canadian businesses alike so this not about trade fairness and not “an attack on USA” as the orange id1ot declared  

The tax only applies to the Canadian customers of Google, Amazon, etc.  It doesn't apply to non-Canadian businesses as you claimed.

It really is just a hidden tax on Canadians because these companies will just pass it on to their Canadian customers.

So maybe Trump is doing us a favour without realizing it.

So does this DST mean if we buy something on Amazon, there will now be a 3% tax added to everything?

Another Liberal ripoff.

Edited Friday at 10:47 PM by blackbird

[Barquentine]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

China just signed a favorable deal with the us because they didn't cave.

Not that simple - read carefully:

CNBC June 27, 2025:

The U.S. and China have confirmed details of a trade framework that seeks to allow rare earth exports and easing of tech restrictions, according to a statement released by China’s Ministry of Commerce on Friday afternoon.

China will review and approve export applications for items subject to export control rules, while the U.S. will correspondingly cancel a range of existing restrictive measures imposed against Beijing, a spokesperson for the ministry said in the statement, without elaborating.

 Donald Trump said Thursday at an event in the White House that “we just signed with China yesterday.” A White House official later clarified that the administration and China had agreed to “an additional understanding of a framework to implement the Geneva agreement.”

While China’s latest statement is “encouraging,” it is important to temper expectation, said Alfredo Montufar-Helu, senior advisor for the China center at think tank The Conference Board, pointing to the lack of details on which rare earth export curbs will be relaxed, other than magnets.

As both sides view the rare earths as “a crucial bargaining chip in future negotiations,” trade in these goods will likely remain constrained, Montufar-Helu added.

 

Seems like they only reached an agreement to try to come to an agreement. Lot of weasel-words there.

The strange part is why the US won't apply a DST. 2 or 3% would bring in so much money, and why should digital businesses making huge profits not pay at least a small tax.

Oh yeah, Zuckerberg and the others give Trump hundreds of millions. That's why. Their excessive greed is is astonishing.

[herbie]

Good God you suckholes, Canadians pay the tax and those companies are being asked to collect and remit them just like Amazon does.
And then some of those taxes will get used to "illegally subsidize" Canadian content, something else you probably object to as well.

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 It is a tax on multinational companies based in America and probably mostly owned by Americans.

Does Walmart pay taxes in Canada on their business operations here? Last time I checked they were American owned.