liberals won riding by one vote.... or did they?!? How the hell is elections canada going to handle this?

[CdnFox]

Liberals won Terrebonne, Que., riding by 1 vote — but this woman's Bloc ballot wasn't counted | CBC News

so the short version is the liberals won this riding by one vote according to a recount. But this woman had sent in an absentee ballot. However elections Canada had put the wrong address on the return envelope so she wound up getting it back after the election unopened as a Return to Sender.

It's not her fault that elections Canada screwed up the address on the envelope. Had her vote for the block been counted the riding would have been a tie. 

Now elections Canada has to figure out how to handle this.

Anyone who says that their vote doesn't count after this needs to get slapped  

In all honesty I think her vote should be allowed. It's clear from the postmarks that she sent it in beforehand and in time, and it's clear that this was an elections Canada mistake. And it completely changes that riding's result. 

It's not fair that she'd be denied her right to vote like that. But I don't know what's actually going to happen. Makes you wonder if there were other absentee ballots like that

[Legato]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Liberals won Terrebonne, Que., riding by 1 vote — but this woman's Bloc ballot wasn't counted | CBC News

so the short version is the liberals won this riding by one vote according to a recount. But this woman had sent in an absentee ballot. However elections Canada had put the wrong address on the return envelope so she wound up getting it back after the election unopened as a Return to Sender.

It's not her fault that elections Canada screwed up the address on the envelope. Had her vote for the block been counted the riding would have been a tie. 

Now elections Canada has to figure out how to handle this.

Anyone who says that their vote doesn't count after this needs to get slapped  

In all honesty I think her vote should be allowed. It's clear from the postmarks that she sent it in beforehand and in time, and it's clear that this was an elections Canada mistake. And it completely changes that riding's result. 

It's not fair that she'd be denied her right to vote like that. But I don't know what's actually going to happen. Makes you wonder if there were other absentee ballots like that

There's also a rumour that 600 ballots were discarded. I can't find any information as to the reason why or if it's true

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

There's also a rumour that 600 ballots were discarded. I can't find any information as to the reason why or if it's true

840  - here's the official elections canada result:

Election Night Results -

Now there are ALWAYS some spoiled ballots. Some people spoil them on purpose, some people accidentally start to mark the wrong circle but then mark the correct one, but that's a bad ballot, there's no do-overs.  Some people make other mistakes.  When i used to scrutineer we'd always find a few. that's a fair number there's no doubt but you can bet that officials will be reviewing that to make sure the ballots are genuinely spoiled and nobody tossed a good one. And there's no reason to believe the spoiled ones favour one candidate or another. 

but this woman... it's irrefutable, she did what she was supposed to, her vote would have changed the outcome, this was an elections canada screw up.... now what? just tell her that her vote doesnt' get to count?  I don't see how they can

[Legato]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

840  - here's the official elections canada result:

Election Night Results -

Now there are ALWAYS some spoiled ballots. Some people spoil them on purpose, some people accidentally start to mark the wrong circle but then mark the correct one, but that's a bad ballot, there's no do-overs.  Some people make other mistakes.  When i used to scrutineer we'd always find a few. that's a fair number there's no doubt but you can bet that officials will be reviewing that to make sure the ballots are genuinely spoiled and nobody tossed a good one. And there's no reason to believe the spoiled ones favour one candidate or another. 

but this woman... it's irrefutable, she did what she was supposed to, her vote would have changed the outcome, this was an elections canada screw up.... now what? just tell her that her vote doesnt' get to count?  I don't see how they can

I get the spoiled ballot thingy, but my spidey senses are tingling.

Any idea what the Bloc are doing?

[Barquentine]

How could there be only one with the wrong address? Wouldn't they print these in batches? Or am I missing something?

[WestCanMan]

A 1-vote win - with 600 "spoiled ballots" - for the party of lies, scandals, ethics breeches, MSM bribery, political dominion over the AG, a muzzle on the RCMP, and a leader who's a puppet of China, the US, UN, WEF, and IMF. 

"Nothin' to see here, peons. I mean, 'voters'. 🤣"

[herbie]

17 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Or am I missing something?

You're missing the level of desperation in the disgruntled. Next they'll resort to claiming the Judges were Liberal supporters, a handful of dead people voted and the immigrants did it.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

I get the spoiled ballot thingy, but my spidey senses are tingling.

Any idea what the Bloc are doing?

Nothing particular other than waiting to see what elections Canada says. This is going to be a bit dicey

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

How could there be only one with the wrong address? Wouldn't they print these in batches? Or am I missing something?

No they expect that there's a bunch with the wrong address. But so far this is the only person who's come forward and still has the envelope who can say with certainty that there's was mailed and that it was mailed on time and that she definitely voted for the block. But they're very well could be others who come forward

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

A 1-vote win - with 600 "spoiled ballots" - for the party of lies, scandals, ethics breeches, MSM bribery, political dominion over the AG, a muzzle on the RCMP, and a leader who's a puppet of China, the US, UN, WEF, and IMF. 

"Nothin' to see here, peons. I mean, 'voters'. 🤣"

840 spoiled ballots.  Just sayin'  

I've seen lots of spoiled ballots before so the number isn't a huge shock to me even if it's a little on the high side, but the fact is if they just give it to the libs after this lady provides iron clad proof, there's going to be a problem.

But what do you do? Count just her vote and call it a tie? Go to a byelection and make everyone vote again? and what if more people get their letters back RTS, we know more were printed with the wrong address. 

What a mess. 

 

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're missing the level of desperation in the disgruntled. Next they'll resort to claiming the Judges were Liberal supporters, a handful of dead people voted and the immigrants did it.

You're missing the level of underhandedness displayed by the Liberals and their well-bribed flunkies in the MSM over the past ten years, cultist dipsh1t. 

FYI the riding was originally called in favour of the Libs, but the validation came out in favour of the Bloc candidate. 

Then a full recount flipped it back in favour of the Libs. 

The media is celebrating this as an example of the importance of every vote, but Canadians who are accustomed to seeing LPOC election cheating prevail see it as a likely example of election cheating prevailing again.

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

840 spoiled ballots.  Just sayin'  

I've seen lots of spoiled ballots before so the number isn't a huge shock to me even if it's a little on the high side, but the fact is if they just give it to the libs after this lady provides iron clad proof, there's going to be a problem.

But what do you do? Count just her vote and call it a tie? Go to a byelection and make everyone vote again? and what if more people get their letters back RTS, we know more were printed with the wrong address. 

What a mess. 

Cue the LPOC propaganda storm on CBC...

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Cue the LPOC propaganda storm on CBC...

It's the same as always, If something goes wrong and it benefits the conservatives they run a headline that says conservatives screw up or conservatives benefit from... If a liberal benefits from a mistake then it's "conservatives Pounce on liberal error!!!"  Like the bad guy here is the conservatives for "pouncing", dirty opportunists that they are. 

 

Welp..... apperently the bloc "pounces".

Bloc candidate who lost by 1 vote considering 'all options' after report of ballot problem | CBC News

 

[blackbird]

It would be interesting to see how they do the recounts and how they determine there are hundreds of spoiled ballots.  What the criteria is for declaring a spoiled ballot should be examined.  Since every vote counts and in this case one vote may be or is the deciding factor,  how ballots are designated spoiled could be something that needs to be looked at very carefully.  One vote could decide whether a majority or minority government is formed in the this election.

Edited 19 hours ago by blackbird

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

A 1-vote win - with 600 "spoiled ballots" - for the party of lies, scandals, ethics breeches, MSM bribery, political dominion over the AG, a muzzle on the RCMP, and a leader who's a puppet of China, the US, UN, WEF, and IMF. 

"Nothin' to see here, peons. I mean, 'voters'. 🤣"

You are missing the fact that Elections Canada is independent of government. I doubt you would be complaining if the separatist had won by a vote, seeing as you are one. This will probably wind up in court.

This was a judicial recount, meaning it was overseen by a judge with lawyers and scrutineers from all parties present..

Edited 19 hours ago by Aristides

[TreeBeard]

The final recount was reviewed by a judge and all parties.  The matter is officially closed.

Only the conspiratards will be beaking off about it.  

Edited 18 hours ago by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

The final recount was reviewed by a judge and all parties.  The matter is officially closed.

Only the conspiratards will be beaking off about it.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are missing the fact that Elections Canada is independent of government. I doubt you would be complaining if the separatist had won by a vote, seeing as you are one. This will probably wind up in court.

This was a judicial recount, meaning it was overseen by a judge with lawyers and scrutineers from all parties present..

The count isnt' the problem.  The challenge is that we have solid proof that someone's lawful vote was discarded, even if by accident, and it would have changed the results of the election. 

I doubt this is entirely over yet. 

 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

 

The count isnt' the problem.  The challenge is that we have solid proof that someone's lawful vote was discarded, even if by accident, and it would have changed the results of the election. 

I doubt this is entirely over yet. 

 

I think that is why this will end up in court. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I think that is why this will end up in court. 

Maybe, i would like to think that they'd envisioned something like this could happen and had some sort of method of addressing it already. Like "if ever xxx then byelection" or the like. 

Did you know for most elections in canada if it is a dead tie it's decided by coin toss?   

[cougar]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In all honesty I think her vote should be allowed. It's clear from the postmarks that she sent it in beforehand and in time, and it's clear that this was an elections Canada mistake. And it completely changes that riding's result. 

 

You are right, but we have to also account for the below described incident:

My Grandpa who was in the same riding was running towards the voting station to cast his liberal vote. Overwhelmed with enthusiasm he did not look around when crossing the street and a buss full of liberal voters hit him and sent him flying in the air.  All liberal voters in the buss decided the best course of action was to take my Gradpa do teh hospital and wait till his condition is known.  They all missed to cast their votes due to their solidarity.

It was 34 voters on the bus; as for my Grandpa I care not whether you count his vote or not.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, cougar said:

You are right, but we have to also account for the below described incident:

My Grandpa who was in the same riding was running towards the voting station to cast his liberal vote. Overwhelmed with enthusiasm he did not look around when crossing the street and a buss full of liberal voters hit him and sent him flying in the air.  All liberal voters in the buss decided the best course of action was to take my Gradpa do teh hospital and wait till his condition is known.  They all missed to cast their votes due to their solidarity.

It was 34 voters on the bus; as for my Grandpa I care not whether you count his vote or not.

All that proves is that liberals are liars and tell fake stories   

At the end of the day tho in such a case your grandpa, who apperently doesn't know to check before crossing the road despite his advanced years, made a mistake. That's on him. 

In this case the lady did NOT make a mistake.  She did exactly what she was supposed to,

This would be more akin to someone completing their ballot, handing it over and the person just forgot to put it in the elections box.  Not her fault, she did her job. Your grandpa did not and caused an accident 

Now this kind of thing does happen but usually it doesn't affect the outcome so elections canada appologizes and points out that while they regret it even if they changed the total it wouldn't change the result.  So they leave it at that 

But... in this case it WOULD have changed the vote.  And she DID do what she was told to do by Elections Canada, same as if she was at the ballot box. Unlike your grandad who's apparently slightly less intelligent than a squirrel. 

And that's where elections Canada is going to run into an issue. 

[cougar]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At the end of the day tho in such a case your grandpa, who apperently doesn't know to check before crossing the road despite his advanced years, made a mistake. That's on him. 

Unlike your grandad who's apparently slightly less intelligent than a squirrel. 

And that's where elections Canada is going to run into an issue. 

You may be right about my Grandpa, he was just running too fast and got himself in trouble.  This is why I say let's not count his vote.

But, those innocent 34 liberal voters who did not vote due to an incident caused by someone else.......no, we have to count those!

And then, I just heard 5 more liberal voters were on a plane from Kuwait to that same riding in Canada, but they missed the connection in Beirut due to flight delays!  Totally out of their control!

I tell you; that riding is overwhelmingly Liberal!

Edited 14 hours ago by cougar

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are missing the fact that Elections Canada is independent of government. I doubt you would be complaining if the separatist had won by a vote, seeing as you are one. This will probably wind up in court.

This was a judicial recount, meaning it was overseen by a judge with lawyers and scrutineers from all parties present..

You're missing the fact that the party of lies, scandals, ethics breeches, MSM bribery, libel, fascism, political dominion over the AG, a muzzle on the RCMP, and a leader who's a puppet of China, the US, UN, WEF, and IMF just pulled a rabbit out of the hat, again. It makes "17 significant errors, omissions, and statements that contradict evidence in their possession, but it was just random that it all went against Trump" seem legitimate.

It's entirely possible that what happened there was legit, and that polls are legit when they say that the voters always support the Libs by double-digit margins for the last two months before every election but the CPC always pull ahead by 2% in the last 3 days. It's also possible that Putin, KJU, and Xi win their elections fairly. Do you have proof that they don't win fairly? 

[myata]

Aka Conservatives will blow from both sides of the mouth simultaneously: they oppose proportional system, every vote count. And they complain when FPTP majority works against them. Losers or maga (or both)? Let's figure.

[August1991]

To understand Canadian politics, read John Crosbie's autobiography: No Holds Barred.

In 1971, Crosbie and Moores were facing Smallwood. One seat divided them - a guy from Labrador.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, cougar said:

You may be right about my Grandpa, he was just running too fast and got himself in trouble.  This is why I say let's not count his vote.

But, those innocent 34 liberal voters who did not vote due to an incident caused by someone else.......no, we have to count those!

Nope. They didn't vote.  That's the bottom line. 

She did vote.  And it wasn't counted. 

It is the responsibility of the person to show up and vote. That's why they allow for advanced polls and mail in ballots if you can't be available voting day.  that's your job, get out and vote. 

But if you DO get out and vote.... the vote must be counted.  she got out and voted.  And elections canada, who is responsible to guarantee her vote is counted, failed. 

Whole different ball game. 

56 minutes ago, cougar said:

And then, I just heard 5 more liberal voters were on a plane from Kuwait to that same riding in Canada, but they missed the connection in Beirut due to flight delays!  Totally out of their control!

They missed the connection. 100 percent their responsibility. 

Their job is to show up. They failed. They're as useless and stupid as your grandfather. 

But she did her job. SHe showed up, she did what she was supposed to do, and due to an error by elections canada they did not count her vote. 

Entirely different. 

it's beginning to sound like you're not much brighter than your grandfather    It is the responsibility of the voter to show up to vote in a manner proscribed by elections Canada.  It is Elections canada's duty to count the votes. She showed up and did her duty, they have failed at theirs.  There must be recourse. 

[myata]

In two words: Conservative hypocrisy. In the worst case it goes right into maga (2020, conspiracy to overturn, election manipulation and so on). Nothing we don't know.