Mark Carney: No Charisma

[August1991]

I have never met Mark Carney in person.

I knew people that knew him and they all said that he was an ambitious guy.

Ambitious guy? OK..... Not the first politician who is ambitious.

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Now that I see him on Youtube, he has no charisma.

Boring AF, as the kids say.

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

Boring AF, as the kids say.

Oh that the public sphere would learn the limits of bluster and televistic appeal !

Imagine high office going to people with relevant skills, and experience ?  What a world !

[PIK]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh that the public sphere would learn the limits of bluster and televistic appeal !

Imagine high office going to people with relevant skills, and experience ?  What a world !

What expirence does carney have running a country? Being a glorified accountant surely isn't one of them.

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

I have never met Mark Carney in person.

I knew people that knew him and they all said that he was an ambitious guy.

Ambitious guy? OK..... Not the first politician who is ambitious.

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Now that I see him on Youtube, he has no charisma.

Boring AF, as the kids say.

Commentators said that while this is usually a disadvantage, in this particular election that may very well have worked in his favor. With the threat and scare of trump and the 51st state they say voters were looking for someone who was stable and boring and calm rather than someone with a lot of energy

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh that the public sphere would learn the limits of bluster and televistic appeal !

Imagine high office going to people with relevant skills, and experience ?  What a world !

He has no relevant skills. His first meeting with trump demonstrated that he's in just a little over his head. He's never run a country he's never even served in a public government office. He did what he was told under harper as governor of the Bank of Canada and according to literally everyone who's commented on it so far he did a crappy job in the UK.

And frankly your beloved liberals just ran 10 years on hair and socks. So let's not pretend that competency is what they were after

[Barquentine]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He has no relevant skills. His first meeting with trump demonstrated that he's in just a little over his head.

Your extreme bias constantly clouds your judgment.

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Your extreme bias constantly clouds your judgment.

That's the understatement of the week.  😆

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Your extreme bias constantly clouds your judgment.

Says the man who offers no arguments, no logic, no reason, but just Christ salty tears as he pounds his fists and says no no no  

The vast majority of independent or neutral thinkers agree that it wasn't a great meeting for mark. But more importantly virtually everyone agrees that nothing came of it, and anyone who knows anything about internal relations or negotiation is aware that you do not go to such a meeting just for the fun of it, you go with a specific goal and target in mind

Carney seems to have failed to do that and certainly didn't achieve anything.

Right now it looks more like the Canadian boycotts of America are doing a hell of a lot more for us than he is. And his performance and body language indicate he was handling it poorly. I did post an independent analysis of that on one of the other threads.

It's not fatal, it didn't go horrible like it did for zielinsky, but it did not go well

I have more faith in our boycotts causing Americans to start screaming at their Republican Representatives than I do carney negotiating anything at this point. My guess is that his plan will be to sit back and hope that those pressures will incentivize trump to lower some of the tariffs because his own people are suffering and then carney will try and claim credit for it if that happens.

[herbie]

A banker with charisma.... aaaaiiiiyyyeeeeee 

We have this great TFSA to sell you but you must act now.....

Needless to point out, he still had more charisma than Milhouse Poilievre as the election results showed.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Your extreme bias constantly clouds your judgment.

Who has more skills to deal with a global financial crisis ?  One who was Bank Governor under Harper and the UK or a textbook demagogue who puts training wheels on MAGA and tries to ride it across Canada ?

[-TSS-]

Did you hear the nwes when Carney and Trump met and Trump praised Ovetskin. Trump probably thought Ovetskin is Canadian. Hahahaa!

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

That's the understatement of the week.  😆

Who's following me around the forum trying to Yap like a chihuahua because he's lost yet another argument with me    LOLOL I'm shocked. Is everyone else shocked? I was shocked! 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Who has more skills to deal with a global financial crisis ?  One who was Bank Governor under Harper and the UK or a textbook demagogue who puts training wheels on MAGA and tries to ride it across Canada ?

To be clear the last time it was harper not the banker. Harper got us through that crisis along with Jim flatterley.

And let's be clear, financial policy is not the same as monetary policy which is what bankers do

And understanding how government works and the government systems is absolutely critical during these times and he has no experience with any of that at all. Whereas Poilievre has extensive experience and has harper, the last guy that got us through a financial crisis successfully, on speed dial.

But hey if you feel I'm wrong then by all means, tell me what amazing things we got out of that trip to the united states where he sat there while trump has him on the head and then ignored him. I'm all ears what did I miss?

I bet you don't come back with anything

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Who's following me around the forum

I think what I should start doing from now on is just copy and paste this quote of yours, every time decide you need to enter a conversation I'm having with someone else...because you're "following me around".  🙄

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I think what I should start doing from now on is just copy and paste this quote of yours, 

Suuuure, nothing says "Honestly you're not living rent free in my head" like running around posting quotes of me  

The big difference between you and me is that if I respond to something you say that wasn't directed at me that's stupid, I will point out that it's stupid I will point out why it's stupid and I will offer an alternative vision or facts as a rule

You just jump out of nowhere and yap with nothing to say  

 

Edited Friday at 11:28 PM by CdnFox

[Legato]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh that the public sphere would learn the limits of bluster and televistic appeal !

Imagine high office going to people with relevant skills, and experience ?  What a world !

Then why Carney?

7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Your extreme bias constantly clouds your judgment.

If you don't like it buy an umbrella.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Who has more skills to deal with a global financial crisis ?  One who was Bank Governor under Harper and the UK or a textbook demagogue who puts training wheels on MAGA and tries to ride it across Canada ?

Just a question what exactly did Carney do during the financial crises in harper's cabinet....did he solve it alone, or did the finance minister do all the heavy lifting and now carney is taking credit.... I won't get into his influence in the UK becasue it does not paint a very good picture either according to sources in the UK.......but it seems like the left has hoisted Carney up on their shoulders and pronounced him a hero....OK ....we will wait and see, If the UK deal is anything to go by...your man carney or superman is not going to fix it...

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question what exactly did Carney do during the financial crises in harper's cabinet....did he solve it alone, or did the finance minister do all the heavy lifting and now carney is taking credit.... I won't get into his influence in the UK becasue it does not paint a very good picture either according to sources in the UK.......but it seems like the left has hoisted Carney up on their shoulders and pronounced him a hero....OK ....we will wait and see, If the UK deal is anything to go by...your man carney or superman is not going to fix it...

We should clarify he was never in harper's cabinet during the financial crisis. He was the governor of the Bank of Canada and while the conservatives consulted him regularly he was technically independent. The Bank of Canada tends to do with the government tells it but they only meet once every week or two briefly in order to discuss the financial situation

Harper played a huge role, but the real hero of the day was Jim flatterly the finance minister. Between the two of them they cooked up some unbelievably innovative and highly successful ways to address the crisis to the point where other countries frequently asked Canada about how they were doing it right in order to emulate them. There were a number of very creative initiatives. None of those initiatives have anything to do with Carney. He played a minor supporting role at best

[Aristides]

Trudeau had charisma. Trump has charisma. F*ck charisma, give me boring and competent.

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Trudeau had charisma. Trump has charisma. F*ck charisma, give me boring and competent.

That was harper

[Moonbox]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question what exactly did Carney do during the financial crises in harper's cabinet....did he solve it alone, or did the finance minister do all the heavy lifting and now carney is taking credit.

Or rather is this the revisionist history that the Conservatives are trying to peddle, and that Canadians unsurprisingly didn't buy in the last election?  

 

[Aristides]

A BoC governor can basically set interest rates and give the government advice. The hard political decisions have to be made by the finance minister and PM. The BoC can't do much if a government ignores its advice would deserve some of the credit (or blame) if it does. As this isn't public information, we will never really know which.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

A BoC governor can basically set interest rates and give the government advice. The hard political decisions have to be made by the finance minister and PM. The BoC can't do much if a government ignores its advice would deserve some of the credit (or blame) if it does. As this isn't public information, we will never really know which.

the information generally flows the other way. As you say the BoC can control interest rates, and they can also "print" money in the form of bonds. 

Most of this happens at the request of the gov't to match fiscal policy. 

For example under trudeau we saw the banks strongly suggesting that cutting spending would mean there would need to be far less rate hikes (or none) to get inflation under control, and they "tactfully" lamented that the feds weren't doing their share and were putting it all on the BoC. 

At the end of the day the gov't controls what's happening, the BoC plays at best a supporting role. Their big job is to guess how various circumstances will affect inflation and adjust if necessary, and they frequently get that wrong. Remember when both the PM and the BoC said inflation was 'transitory' and would go away soon and there would be no long term inflation during covid? That went sideways pretty quick  

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Or rather is this the revisionist history that the Conservatives are trying to peddle, and that Canadians unsurprisingly didn't buy in the last election?  

 

If you can prove it wrong , then by all means do it, (thats what people do in a debate) or is this you offering nothing more than chirping and opinions...

[Moonbox]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

If you can prove it wrong , then by all means do it, (thats what people do in a debate)

I answered your question with one of my own.  I don't have to "prove it" any more than you did, which was not at all.  🙃

What people "do" in debates is argue different viewpoints, often on subjective topics with no way of objectively or definitely proving them.  We can present the facts we have, and the conclusions we draw from them.  

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

or is this you offering nothing more than chirping and opinions...

If you were offering anything more than your opinion, on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, that sort of comment would look less goofy.  

As it is, I can offer you quite a bit, as can fellas like former Finance Minister Jim Flaherty:

Flaherty's dead, so he can't weigh in now, but his deputy chief of staff did, after Pierre's wife tried to pull a fast one:

 

We also have the big man himself, Prime Minister Harper:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-jRPA7zGZnM

telling Parliament what a tremendous job Carney did as BoC governor. 

We know he tried to recruit Carney as his finance Minister, and one of the best lines from the Liberal campaign was: 

"Stephen Harper could have approached Pierre Poilievre about serving as his Finance Minister. He approached Mr. Carney instead,” 

“In 2025, Mr. Harper is being called on to save Pierre Poilievre from a historic drop in support, but no amount of revisionist history can take away from Mr. Carney’s proven record of economic leadership.”

I know you like citing the National Post, so here's an article they published that gushed about him:

https://financialpost.com/business-insider/two-moves-during-the-crisis-show-why-mark-carney-is-considered-one-of-the-shrewdest-central-bankers-in-the-world

All of this paints a pretty clear picture about what both the Conservatives thought of Carney at the time, but also what the world thought about him and his role in 2008/2009. 

What's your "proof" again?  

Oh that's right, you repeat whatever the Conservative party says.  🙄

 

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I answered your question with one of my own.  I don't have to "prove it" any more than you did, which was not at all.  🙃

What people "do" in debates is argue different viewpoints, often on subjective topics with no way of objectively or definitely proving them.  We can present the facts we have, and the conclusions we draw from them.  

If you were offering anything more than your opinion, on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, that sort of comment would look less goofy.  

As it is, I can offer you quite a bit, as can fellas like former Finance Minister Jim Flaherty:

Flaherty's dead, so he can't weigh in now, but his deputy chief of staff did, after Pierre's wife tried to pull a fast one:

 

We also have the big man himself, Prime Minister Harper:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-jRPA7zGZnM

telling Parliament what a tremendous job Carney did as BoC governor. 

We know he tried to recruit Carney as his finance Minister, and one of the best lines from the Liberal campaign was: 

"Stephen Harper could have approached Pierre Poilievre about serving as his Finance Minister. He approached Mr. Carney instead,” 

“In 2025, Mr. Harper is being called on to save Pierre Poilievre from a historic drop in support, but no amount of revisionist history can take away from Mr. Carney’s proven record of economic leadership.”

I know you like citing the National Post, so here's an article they published that gushed about him:

https://financialpost.com/business-insider/two-moves-during-the-crisis-show-why-mark-carney-is-considered-one-of-the-shrewdest-central-bankers-in-the-world

All of this paints a pretty clear picture about what both the Conservatives thought of Carney at the time, but also what the world thought about him and his role in 2008/2009. 

What's your "proof" again?  

Oh that's right, you repeat whatever the Conservative party says.  🙄

 

Then i was right your not debating in most cases, but using bandwidth to insult people, it is what you do best....and in 99 percent of your posts that is all you do is offer your opinion with nothing to back them up and thats on a good day, the rest is just insults....and when you get bored it is just all insults....maybe you should step away from this topic as it does look like your the one that does not know WTF your talking about....

I do want to thank you for taking your time to provide sources this time...it must be snowing where you are ...

Yes Jim Flaherty commenting on how good carney is, he does after all work for Jim and thats what bosses do, But the question remains what did Carney do other than control interest rates and provide advice....when it was Flaherty that carried that whole file and carney was a small piece of that...But you go ahead and change history it is what the left is good at.....I had already told you that much , instead your painting carney as superman as you and the media does,  when he was no more than robin without the cape...

I've told you this before as well as provide sources Carney record in the UK is not all that and a bag of tea, as the left portrays...it was lack lustre at best....but you don't like those sources....your like all those that voted for Carney, star struck....the rest of us don't see him as the next liberal god....we see him has someone that will finish the job that justin started....we will wait and see what he does, he is going to be tested to the max, this year and next...i personal hope he succeeds for the countries sake....but justin dug a pretty big hole....