What happens next to the Conservative Party?

[betsy]

There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

Poilievre might have to step down as leader.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

Poilievre might have to step down as leader.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.

Provincial parties and Federal parties rarely were on the same page.

The conservatives seem to have gone a bit too far right in my opinion.

Canadians have never been far left or right and that is what made Canada as great as it was. The more and more we become "Democrats and Republicans" the more we will split up.

Provincial leaders are too concerned about their turf and will not make good national leaders. Eby ...BC only. Smith ...Alberta only, Ford... Ontario

[betsy]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Provincial parties and Federal parties rarely were on the same page.

The conservatives seem to have gone a bit too far right in my opinion.

Canadians have never been far left or right and that is what made Canada as great as it was. The more and more we become "Democrats and Republicans" the more we will split up.

Provincial leaders are too concerned about their turf and will not make good national leaders. Eby ...BC only. Smith ...Alberta only, Ford... Ontario

 

 

Actually, Poilievre is a progressive and isn't aligned with real Conservative values.  He is a fiscal conservative.

 

He ran a good campaign.....after all, he's brought working blue-collars (union) and younger folks to the Party.  The Conservative support did not bleed out.   The LIBERALS had won due to the NDP and BLOC supporters who'd jumped ship.

 

The very tight race on so many ridings between Conservatives and Liberals even when Trump is the ballot question, just shows how Poilievre's message of change had resonated.

Let's face it:  The Liberals won primarily - and, solely - due to TRUMP!

 

Sure, there are those who didn't like Poilievre - but as you can see, they held up their noses and had chosen him (as the 20 points lead indicate).

Had this been just an ordinary election.........we'd be having a strong Conservative MAJORITY right now.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:40 PM by betsy

[Politics1990]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

 

Actually, Poilievre is a progressive and isn't aligned with real Conservative values.  He is a fiscal conservative.

 

He ran a good campaign.....after all, he's brought working blue-collars (union) and younger folks to the Party.  The Conservative support did not bleed out.   The LIBERALS had won due to the NDP and BLOC supporters who'd jumped ship.

 

The very tight race on so many ridings between Conservatives and Liberals even when Trump is the ballot question, just shows how Poilievre's message of change had resonated.

Let's face it:  The Liberals won primarily due to TRUMP!

 

Had this been just an ordinary election.....we'd be havibg a Conservative MAJORITY right now.

 

 

woulda  coulda shoulda... Fact is you don't  got one 

[betsy]

2 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

woulda  coulda shoulda... Fact is you don't  got one 

Sorry, I don't debate with knee-jerk responses, or senseless one-liners.

Seems to me you're the one who hasn't got one.   You can't even explain or expand on what you're saying. 😁

 

I suppose you're trying to be cute?  Well - being cutesy doesn't say much.

 

have a nice day.

Edited Tuesday at 01:42 PM by betsy

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

 

Actually, Poilievre is a progressive and isn't aligned with real Conservative values.  He is a fiscal conservative.

 

He ran a good campaign.....after all, he's brought working blue-collars (union) and younger folks to the Party.  The Conservative support did not bleed out.   The LIBERALS had won due to the NDP and BLOC supporters who'd jumped ship.

 

The very tight race on so many ridings between Conservatives and Liberals even when Trump is the ballot question, just shows how Poilievre's message of change had resonated.

Let's face it:  The Liberals won primarily due to TRUMP!

 

Had this been just an ordinary election.....we'd be having a Conservative MAJORITY right now.

 

 

 

PP was the face of the Conservatives. Saying now he is not a real conservative is just making excuses.

Thing is, PP ran half his campaign against Trudeau...it took Carney at the debate to let him know Trudeau is not running LOL.

The in the second half of the campaign was on "Change", without explaining what change and what that meant.

PP lost by almost 5000 votes in his own riding he held for almost 20 years.

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:44 PM by ExFlyer

[betsy]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Thing is, PP ran half his campaign against Trudeau...it took Carney at the debate to let him know Trudeau is not running LOL.

The in the second half of the campaign was on "Change", without explaining what change and what that meant.

PP lost by almost 5000 votes in his own riding he held for almost 209 years.

 

 

Nevertheless - obviously, what he said had brought some people into the Conservative Party (blue collars who usually go for the NDP) and younger folks who usually go Liberal.  The Conservatives remained strong to the end.   They didn't bleed out.  

 

It was TRUMP, that was the upset.  Who would have thought Trump would be threatening our sovereignty?

 

 

TRUMP was the ballot question.......and only a short time to get to know Carney.  But Canadians were panicking! NDP and BLOC ended up helping the LIBERALS win.  :shrug:

Edited Tuesday at 01:49 PM by betsy

[betsy]

15 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

woulda  coulda shoulda... Fact is you don't  got one 

@ExFlyer

 

Okay - I'll give it the benefit of the doubt that you really have something behind that line.

 

 

What is exactly,  "woulda, coulda, and shoulda"........ to what I've said?

 

I don't read minds, so kindly expand.

 

Since Exflyer had agreed with you - I suppose he understands what you're saying.   So my question is to you both.   help each other out. 😁

 

let's hear it.

Edited Tuesday at 01:55 PM by betsy

[betsy]

20 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

woulda  coulda shoulda... Fact is you don't  got one 

@ExFlyer

Should I have one?

 

Kindly read my posts again and try to understand it.

 

 

From what site did you copy your line from?   If you're going to mine quotes from other sites  - make sure they fit to what you're attempting to respond to. 🤣

 

I'm waiting for your explanation as to how it fits to what I've said.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:01 PM by betsy

[betsy]

7 minutes ago, betsy said:

@ExFlyer

 

Okay - I'll give it the benefit of the doubt that you really have something behind that line.

 

 

What is exactly,  "woulda, coulda, and shoulda"........ to what I've said?

 

I don't read minds, so kindly expand.

 

Since Exflyer had agreed with you - I suppose he understands what you're saying.   So my question is to you both.   help each other out. 😁

 

let's hear it.

 

YO.

I'm still waiting.

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, betsy said:

@ExFlyer

 

Okay - I'll give it the benefit of the doubt that you really have something behind that line.

 

 

What is exactly,  "woulda, coulda, and shoulda"........ to what I've said?

 

I don't read minds, so kindly expand.

 

Since Exflyer had agreed with you - I suppose he understands what you're saying.   So my question is to you both.   help each other out. 😁

 

let's hear it.

Ummm, that was not me. I did not say that.

I agreed because he asked you what you meant by your "Poilievre is a progressive and isn't aligned with real Conservative values.  He is a fiscal conservative." comment.  

A fiscal conservative is not a real conservative?? Or vice versa??

Edited Tuesday at 02:12 PM by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

YO.

I'm still waiting.

Yo???

Again, I did not say that.

A bit obstinate aren't you??

 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Liberals won primarily - and, solely - due to TRUMP!

If this were true, the polls wouldn’t have switched from Con to Lib as soon as Trudeau stepped down.  It was like a light switch.  

[West]

What happens next? Western provinces like Alberta discuss all their options up to and including separation or some degree of more economic independence and the ability to negotiate with the US on getting their products to market. 

That's my guess. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Nobody knows if Canadian right-wingers, especially younger voters more exposed to social media, are going to undergo magafication over the next decade. In that case they’ll probably be looking for leaders to the right of Poilievre. My preference would be for content, and style as well, to be closer to the old PC party but perhaps that ship has sailed. Either way there’s no question there’s a serious debate among conservatives in this country about where to go next. Should they seek to attract voters who aren’t real conservatives at the risk of losing votes to the PPC or should they try to get more votes out of a growing base and hope the non-Tories split? 
 

Quote

 

During an interview as part of CBC’s election coverage, newly reelected Bowmanville-Oshawa North MP Jamal Jivani accused Ontario Premier Doug Ford of sabotaging the federal Conservative campaign after his comments critical of the Conservatives triggered headlines and grumbling from the federal Tories.

Jivani told CBC News reporter David Common that while he takes exception with how Ford is running Ontario, he’s respected boundaries and kept his mouth shut.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/conservative-mp-jamil-jivani-unloads-on-doug-ford-couldnt-stay-out-of-our-business

Just saw Scott Moe comparing us to the US. He’s missing the point. FPTP reduces the number of parties, not closeness to America. I don’t think Canada will have an ossified two party US-style system any time soon. The BQ aren’t going to disappear and parties are more fluid up here as they should be. The closer parallel is with the UK. The right may break up again. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:54 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[Moonbox]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Actually, Poilievre is a progressive and isn't aligned with real Conservative values.

Compared to who?  

He's not even really progressive in the context of the CPC.  He spends way too much time and energy railing about "woke radical left ideology" for that statemen to be credible.  

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Let's face it:  The Liberals won primarily - and, solely - due to TRUMP!

You're right about this, but for the wrong reasons.  Poilievre lost because he borrowed too much from Trump, and sounded too much like Trump.  If he hadn't spent the last 3 years calling people names, circling the conspiracy vortex, playing culture-war and repeating 3-word MAGA-style slogans ad-nauseum, the comparison wouldn't have stuck. 

Worse, however, is how he couldn't (or wouldn't) pivot when these all became liabilities.  He just kept running it down the middle.   

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You're right about this, but for the wrong reasons.  Poilievre lost because he borrowed too much from Trump, and sounded too much like Trump.  If he hadn't spent the last 3 years calling people names, circling the conspiracy vortex, playing culture-war and repeating 3-word MAGA-style slogans ad-nauseum, the comparison wouldn't have stuck. 

Worse, however, is how he couldn't (or wouldn't) pivot when these all became liabilities.  He just kept running it down the middle.   

Must of resonated with a good number of conservatives considering the liberals were expected to run away with this election with a majority... according to the polls/ media...He did tweak his message in the late campaign,obvious not well enough to make a huge difference...

The problem is Carney now has a minority, lets see what he does with it....or are we going back to the polls... 

[Moonbox]

21 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Must of resonated with a good number of conservatives considering the liberals were expected to run away with this election with a majority... according to the polls/ media...He did tweak his message in the late campaign,obvious not well enough to make a huge difference...

I think where he actually did a good job was in places like Windsor where he was able to flip NDP to CPC, broke into the 905, and how he was more in-tune with younger folk. 

The problem is that those gains were overshadowed by the fact that he got even more people to vote against him.  He grew the Liberal vote more than he grew the Conservative one, and that's no-bueno.  

I think the telling part of all of this is that at the ending stage of the campaign where the CPC started to gain ground in  (especially in Ontario), was when they removed Poilievre entirely from the advertisements and messaging.  The commercials during the Leafs games didn't even mention him. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:30 PM by Moonbox

[Moonlight Graham]

Doug Ford incoming.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The Tories can take comfort in defeat. They got an impressive vote share, especially among younger voters, and did well in the 905. Trudeau out and Trump in proved too much for them. The big self-inflicted wound was the feud with Ford. I’d also have gone for a kinder, gentler image for Poilievre since he became leader. 

For the Liberals, this strange gamble on an outsider worked like a charm. It might be a model other jaded governments go for as the seconds run out. 
 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:57 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

the liberals were expected to run away with this election with a majority... according to the polls/ media...

This is completely revisionist.  
 

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

The problem is Carney now has a minority, lets see what he does with it....or are we going back to the polls... 

The NDP have no leader and no money.  The 7 NDP amigos and amigas in parliament will do whatever Carney tells them to do for at least two years, if not the entire term.  
 

For them to cause an election would send even more of their vote to the Libs and Carney could make a good case for needing a majority.  

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

If this were true, the polls wouldn’t have switched from Con to Lib as soon as Trudeau stepped down.  It was like a light switch.  

Trump was sworn in on Jan 20th.

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump was sworn in on Jan 20th.

People knew he was president in November. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, betsy said:

There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

Poilievre might have to step down as leader.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.

The division is primarily between poilievre's Campaign manager and the ford government. That probably won't answer

Ford can only become Prime Minister if Poilievre is thrown out which does not look like we'll be the case at the moment. It would seem that he gets at least one more shot at an election before that

44 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

People knew he was president in November. 
 

 

But they didn't know about the tariffs. And they didn't know that carney would be in instead of Justin that wasn't noted until january

And at the point where the campaign began carney shot up and it was expected to be a runaway liberal majority.

So no that's not revisionist history that's just you lying about the fact that the polls were different when it was a completely different person and pretending that that applies to the circumstances with Kearney.

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

People knew he was president in November.

When did Trump start threatening tariffs and calling Canada the 51st state?