CARNEY LIED ABOUT PHONE CALL WITH TRUMP!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

We all know justin is as smart as a bag of horse sh!t, and we do know Carney was his advisor,

Which suggests Trudeau was probably too stupid to even know what good advice was never mind follow it.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

A remarkable sentiment considering how much lying and bullshitting Pierre Poilievre does, and how eagerly you believe literally everything he says.  

 According to La Presse, after the French leader's debate....just as a recent example. 

There he was, still spinning his dumdum rhetoric about printing money, and about how it was all Carney telling Justin to do it.  Everything about that is wrong/stupid, but he doesn't care, and you don't know any better. so you believe him because you want to.  

You're literally quoting a source called "the cult" who's referring to a "la presse" opinion piece.  And the examples they give are, not surprisingly, not true.  For example, Jagmeet said "guess how many houses he built?"  And then said six while PP said 200,000. 

Not "affordable" housing, as the article suggests. And they did build 200,000 homes while he was minister, that DID get fact checked. 

You should be ashamed of yourself for posting that.  It's the equivalent of posting a fox news story about Tucker Carlson's opinion that kamala told more lies. 

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:51 AM by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which suggests Trudeau was probably too stupid to even know what good advice was never mind follow it.

In a way. It suggests that carney gave him bad advice and he was too stupid to realize how terrible it was. And now we're going to get that same bad advisor bringing his advice to the table directly.

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Which suggests Trudeau was probably too stupid to even know what good advice was never mind follow it.

Which suggests carney is the puppet master....nothing more...

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

He didn't lie. He just didn't tell the truth.

I faced the similar case last year in my personal life. Meeting a beautiful girl in a dance bar who was 25 years old (she made a move on me first not me on her) and we had good time and after a few days she accused me of not telling her my age (I look a couple of decades younger). I told her the same thing. I did not lie because I was never asked till now but when you asked then I told you the truth. I just didn't volunteer to tell the truth before. I do not see myself guilty and I do not regard Mark Carney guilty of lying for the same reason.

Edited Saturday at 09:30 PM by CITIZEN_2015

[Army Guy]

4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He didn't lie. He just didn't tell the truth.

I faced the similar case last year in my personal life. Meeting a beautiful girl in a dance bar who was 25 years old (she made a move on me first not me on her) and we had good time and after a few days she accused me of not telling her my age (I look a couple of decades younger). I told her the same thing. I did not lie because I was never asked till now but when you asked then I told you the truth. I just didn't volunteer to tell the truth before. I do not see myself guilty and I do not regard Mark Carney guilty of lying for the same reason.

He deliberately mislead Canadians...by leaving our important parts of the conversation, and then telling us everything went well, like some how he had trump under control....misleading people is just as bad as lying to them... 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

He deliberately mislead Canadians...by leaving our important parts of the conversation, and then telling us everything went well, like some how he had trump under control....misleading people is just as bad as lying to them... 

Trump is crazy. He did not wish to make him angry and jeopardize his future negotiations with this mad revengeful man. 

[Army Guy]

8 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Trump is crazy. He did not wish to make him angry and jeopardize his future negotiations with this mad revengeful man. 

Sure, if that is what you tell yourself , but the PM of Canada is going to have to stand up for this nation eventually, and negotiate our trade agreement...what we seen so far is a yes man....i don't want to make him angry....sounds like a winning strategy....

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He didn't lie. He just didn't tell the truth.

I faced the similar case last year in my personal life. Meeting a beautiful girl in a dance bar who was 25 years old (she made a move on me first not me on her) and we had good time and after a few days she accused me of not telling her my age (I look a couple of decades younger). I told her the same thing. I did not lie because I was never asked till now but when you asked then I told you the truth. I just didn't volunteer to tell the truth before. I do not see myself guilty and I do not regard Mark Carney guilty of lying for the same reason.

A lie by Omission Is still a lie. If you believe she had reason to believe you were a different age than you were and you did not correct that and allowed her to continue believing that then you absolutely lied to her.

Sorry buddy.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

He deliberately mislead Canadians...by leaving our important parts of the conversation, and then telling us everything went well, like some how he had trump under control....misleading people is just as bad as lying to them... 

Exactly. And allowing people to be deceived knowingly is lying whether it's by a mission or by action

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

A lie by Omission Is still a lie. If you believe she had reason to believe you were a different age than you were and you did not correct that and allowed her to continue believing that then you absolutely lied to her.

This is absolutely ridiculous. What did you expect me to do? When introducing myself to say my name is ****** and my age is **? Did people introduce themselves by age in your time?. I am not a mind reader. How the hell could I know she thought I am in my 30's? 

If I had gone after her you might have had a point but I did not. She came after me just like another dozen other ladies in their 20's per month. So she liked me as is or she liked what she saw. What do you expect me to do? To glue my birth certificate to my forehead. I take an offense to your post to divert a political discussion to a personal attack.

Edited yesterday at 12:26 AM by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

this is accepted by most people including the courts

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What did you expect me to do? When introducing myself to say my name is ****** and my age is **? Did people introduce themselves by age in your time?. I am not a mind reader. How the hell could I know she thought I am in my 30's? 

If you're that defensive you obviously know you're wrong.

I was quite clear. If you believe she was under a mistaken impression that you should have corrected her. I would say that shortly after you met if she gave you an indication that she thought you were younger or you had reason to believe that then in casual conversation just say I'm curious how old you are, I'm XX

Not complicated

 

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If I had gone after her you might have had a point but I did not. She came after me just like another dozen other ladies in their 20's per month. So she liked me as is or she liked what she saw. What do you expect me to do? To glue my birth certificate to my forehead. I take an offense to your post to divert a political discussion to a personal attack.

I don't give a shit what you take offense to because you're a lying sack of crap as we saw on the other thread. And here you are defending another lie.

It doesn't matter who went after whom.

If you have to lie to get a girl then that doesn't say very much for you does it. Obviously it mattered to her if you're not just making up this story entirely which I would not put past you. Obviously you believed that she was under a mistaken impression and deliberately withheld that information, again if you're telling the story honestly.

A lie by omission is a lie. You are the one that brought this up, not me so if you feel that the conversation is being sidetracked you are the one who sidetracked it

And to get it back on track a lie by a mission is a lie when carney does it just as much. If he gave people the impression that something happened or that circumstances were a certain way when in fact they were the exact opposite that is a lie. You are deceiving people in a cowardly fashion. That's true whether it's from him to get votes or you to get a date

[CouchPotato]

Apparently on the call Carney told Trump he would have to talk tough about America and Trump for the campaign.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-fresh-questions-about-carneys-strategy-on-trump

The man is a fraud people. Wake up!

 

Edited yesterday at 04:01 AM by CouchPotato

[betsy]

Carney's going to sell out Canada.....and, we won't even know about it.

 

BY claiming that Trump had respected our sovereignty in their conversation - looks like, Carney's trying to white-wash Trump! 🤣

 

 

Same old Liberals!   That's what we're gonna get!  Final nail on the coffin!

Edited 21 hours ago by betsy

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

Carney's going to sell out Canada.....and, we won't even know about it.

We will know about it. The difference is that conservative thinkers will say we knew about it. Liberal thinkers will say that it would have been the same even if the conservatives were in power which is blatantly untrue, and then they will claim that the new leader of the liberals would never have done that and we should give them another 10 years just to be sure

At the end of the day the rot and willingness to accept corruption that we see in Quebec and Ontario is absolutely frightening. In the west even liberals and NDP will eventually realize that something is corrupt and needs to go. But Ontario and Quebec practically require corruption as a prerequisite for voting for someone.

Eventually it'll probably split the country. As the west grow stronger it will get more and more fed up  But that's probably a long way off

[Moonbox]

On 4/25/2025 at 11:50 PM, CdnFox said:

You're literally quoting a source called "the cult" who's referring to a "la presse" opinion piece.  And the examples they give are, not surprisingly, not true.  For example, Jagmeet said "guess how many houses he built?"  And then said six while PP said 200,000. 

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You should be ashamed of yourself for posting that.  It's the equivalent of posting a fox news story about Tucker Carlson's opinion that kamala told more lies. 

I'd maybe be ashamed posting that to a thoughtful, serious poster capable of viewing things from an outside perspective, but alas, that wasn't my audience.  

When I'm posting in response to a hysterical ALL CAPS FORUM TITLE!!! or that the suggestion that Canadians should be singularly outraged about a Carney may have told over a phone call, while you gleefully slurp his opponent's fairytales, I don't feel bad about it at all.  🙃

[Legato]

20 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'd maybe be ashamed posting that to a thoughtful, serious poster capable of viewing things from an outside perspective, but alas, that wasn't my audience.  

When I'm posting in response to a hysterical ALL CAPS FORUM TITLE!!! or that the suggestion that Canadians should be singularly outraged about a Carney may have told over a phone call, while you gleefully slurp his opponent's fairytales, I don't feel bad about it at all.  🙃

What a load of claptrap. That was not a response, more like a kneejerk.

You're trying to compare Goblins with Hobgoblins,

[CITIZEN_2015]

@CdnFox Now I say it you are a sore loser. I didn't say it before. I just said to Army guy that I understand why he is mad as his side is losing and that is far from saying a sore loser. But you are a manipulative lying idi*t and a sore loser making personal attacks instead of debating issues/

I am now more determined to see a Liberal majority and will be texting everyone I know encouraging them to vote Liberals because you showed me how manipulative lying the Conservatives are.

I suggest you consider politics seriously with these characteristics you have. There is no limit that you go by lying and manipulations and lies to discredit your opponents, You make a great Conservative leader and will leas them to a majority. You make a great dirty politician.

Edited 14 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

@CdnFox Now I say it you are a sore loser. I didn't say it before. I just said to Army guy that I understand why he is mad as his side is losing and that is far from saying a sore loser. But you are a manipulative lying idi*t and a sore loser making personal attacks instead of debating issues/

I am now more determined to see a Liberal majority and will be texting everyone I know encouraging them to vote Liberals because you showed me how manipulative lying the Conservatives are.

Thanks for posting that. I was actually just about to say "How do the butthurt cultist losers here feel about all these people who refuse to look past Carney's lies and lucrative ties to the Chinese government?"

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I suggest you consider politics seriously with these characteristics you have. There is no limit that you go by lying and manipulations and lies to discredit your opponents, You make a great Conservative leader and will leas them to a majority. You make a great dirty politician.

I suggest you look up "integrity" in the dictionary, and then ask yourself why the two countries that we're in trade wars with are both going all-out in their support of Mark Carney...

What's your reason for supporting that guy?

1. Do you like being lied to? (We already know the answer, you don't have to say it)
2. Do you like the fact that the Chinese gov't is investing in his election?
3. Do you like that Trump wants him elected?
4. Do you feel like Trump wants him elected because he feels like Carney - the guy who just moved Brookfield to Donald Trump's own state and then lied to us about it - will be a strong leader for Canada? 
5. Do you feel like the MSM needs billions of dollars the month before every election? 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I'd maybe be ashamed posting that to a thoughtful, serious poster

Oh look, once again your stupidity and lack of ethics or morals is somehow my fault 🙄🙄

LOL, kid. when someone has real morals or ethics they don't just "turn them on" when dealing with one person or another. 

Also  you weren't actually responding to me with that. You were responding directly to Army Guy.  I take it you think he ISN"T a 'thoughtful, serious poster'?

How's your math lessons going jr?   LOLOLOL

you'll do so much better in life when the day comes when you realize that owning your mistakes and improving from them is it better choice than doubling down and presenting yourself to the world as a c*nt. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

I suggest you look up "integrity" in the dictionary, and then ask yourself why the two countries that we're in trade wars with are both going all-out in their support of Mark Carney...

 

Well I don't know about China but US Trump actually hurt Carney real bad last week by revealing a private conversion between them that he called Canada a 51st state. His intention was for sure not to help Varney as Liberal support dropped from 8 percent over the Cons to 3 two days ago and today bounced back to 4 percentage point. 

Tomorrow night we will have

A Liberal majority government

Liberals 192 seats

the Cons 135 seats

A strong majority.

Edited 13 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

@CdnFox Now I say it you are a sore loser.

I didn't lose. I guess you could say I'm a sore winner?

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I didn't say it before.

You did say it before you lying sack of crap. And I posted where you said it. Now you're trying to twist and turn and pretend you didn't say what you very clearly said and what I posted you saying.

And nobody cares what a loser like you is determined to do. The conservatives or the liberals will win the election and you won't make a damn bit of difference because you're a pathetic lying little scud bag.

The next time you want respect on a forum, may I suggest that instead of coming on and acting disrespectful and insulting people you show respect and then you will get it back. But you did call him a sore loser and you called me a liar and neither of those were true all the while crying to the heavens demanding that people treat you civilly.

You have the morals and personality of a dung beetle who's lost interest in life and really let itself go downhill. 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Well I don't know about China but US Trump actually hurt Carney real bad last week by revealing a private conversion between them that he called Canada a 51st state.

The CBC did that. They sat on that info for month before they released it. 

The call happened on March 27th, while the CBC had some reporters stationed deep within his anus, but for some reason the story didn't break until after early voting, almost a full month later.

Trump was just confirming the details that we already heard in our own news. 

Nice try though.

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His intention was for sure not to help Varney as Liberal support dropped from 8 percent over the Cons to 3 two days ago and today bounced back to 4 percentage point. 

Thanks for parroting CBC's narrative, but I didn't ask how they spun this and I don't care what they asked their pollsters to tell you.

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Tomorrow night we will have

 Followed by a much stronger government, centred in Washington DC.

Where Trump actually screwed up is by bringing in 40M voters who will inevitably vote left, because Canadians on average are so fugging stupid. We would honestly end up with California-like clout if we remain as 1 voting bloc. That could be enough to drag the US down a Kamala Harris style path of stupidity, racial division, colossal blundering and complete lack of accountability for decades to come. 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The CBC did that. They sat on that info for month before they released it. 

The call happened on March 27th, while the CBC had some reporters stationed deep within his anus, but for some reason the story didn't break until after early voting, almost a full month later.

Trump was just confirming the details that we already heard in our own news. 

Nice try though.

 

And that's the thing. About 40% of all of the voters who are likely to vote have already voted before the story came out.

I guess it's a bit of a cautionary tale. Don't vote Until the campaign is over

Maybe it's time for us to revisit election laws in light of modern circumstances and require that campaigns be more like six or seven weeks long if we're going to have advanced polling open a week or two before the election.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a law saying that in order to participate in the debates you have to have released your platform. That would put an end to this strategic release of platform nonsense that doesn't give Canadians enough time to look at the plans

[WestCanMan]

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And that's the thing.

And here's another thing: That id10t who was just here running his mouth, @CITIZEN_2015, is gone and he ain't coming back. 

[BeaverFever]

On 4/24/2025 at 9:00 PM, CdnFox said:

It's pretty simple and most of the media outlets and all of the opposition party leaders are referring to the same thing. At the time he presented himself as the only person who could deal with trump, any presented the phone call as being evidence that when he talked to trump trump behaved himself and there was no problem with working out a deal moving forward and he's handling things and trump is dropping his rhetoric when dealing with him.

But that was not quite the case. He wanted to give that impression at the time so that he could give the impression that he was the very best person we have to address the issue and handle trump.

His subsequent comments are meant to scare people into thinking that trump is this massive threat after establishing he's the only person that can deal with trump because he dealt with him on this phone call. That is the image they are attempting to create

But it sounds more and more like he didn't deal with anything, trump told him that they were going to make trade demands, trump told him he still wanted them to be the 51st province, and agreed that they would sort it out after the election if you won and trump would tell him what he wanted.

That is very different than two people meeting as equals and agreeing to respect each other. No wonder trump said it was a productive meeting for him.

Let’s be clear:  What’s come out is that Trump tried to sell Carney on the 51st state idea and Carney shut it down as something that will never happen, period  

It still remains a fact that they went on to have a polite and productive phone call as equals and Trump didn’t call him governor or other insults  

The rest of what you claim is just coming from desperate conservatives trying to spin it because they’re behind in the polls and because they’re conservatives  

The above said it’s a bit of an own goal simply because Canadians had a different impression of what was said even though it doesn’t really change anything. 
 

On 4/24/2025 at 9:00 PM, CdnFox said:

Lying is a scandal for anybody. Carney lied in order to give the impression that he can go tow to toe with trump and meet him as an equal. And that does not appear to be what happened.

Yes it does appear that’s what happened. Poilievre is the one trying to pretend Trump doesn’t exist. Poilievre is the one whose campaign manager is an actual toxic MAGA with photos of herself in a red MAGA hat. 
 

On 4/24/2025 at 9:00 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney's whole point in this election is to spread fear about trump as well as the message that he is the only person who can manage trump. It does his campaign good for trump to mention the 51st state stuff. It does Carney's reputation bad for the public to discover he wasn't honest about what happened in the first phone call.

That’s mostly correct although to be clear one of the lines Carney repeats in every speech is that nobody can control Trump, we can only control how we respond to him and only the person who wins the election will have a mandate to do so. He’s never claimed to have a magic switch that can prevent certain words from coming out of Trump’s mouth. 
 

On 4/24/2025 at 9:00 PM, CdnFox said:

It does Carney's reputation bad for the public to discover he wasn't honest about what happened in the first phone call. So it was not carney that leaked this

But reminding people that the Trump threat continues and wasn’t just Trump trolling Trudeau helps his campaign. It’s at least plausible to think that while he could have told the public about this from the start to cash in on it, he decided not to as a gesture to reset the toxic relationship between Trump and Trudeau.