English Federal Debate: 17 April 2025, HDTV

[August1991]

With HDTV, I was surprised to learn that Poilievre is left-handed, like Obama.

And like Obama, Poilievre has brown eyes.

Carney has blue-grey eyes. Blanchet has striking blue eyes: like Trudeau Snr.

-Apparently Lincoln also had blue-grey eyes

-JFK had striking blue eyes

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Carney and Blanchet are short guys. Singh and Poilievre are taller.

Carney is fit.

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With HDTV, in modern democracies, I reckon that a bald man, a fat woman are un-electable.

 

[CouchPotato]

10 minutes ago, August1991 said:

With HDTV, in modern democracies, I reckon that a bald man, a fat woman are un-electable.

What about a fat, bald woman?

[August1991]

5 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

What about a fat, bald woman?

If she has blue eyes, she's electable.

Edited April 18 by August1991

[August1991]

Carney is not a tall man.

He is visibly shorter than Singh.

 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

What about a fat, bald woman?

You keep Rosie O'Donnell out of this. 

[August1991]

Carney is a technocrat.

From Singh or even Blanchet, I was expecting a Mulroney-style response: "You don't speak for Canada!"

A huge loss for Poilievre.

As Mulroney once said: "You could have refused.... "

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You fish where there are fish.

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Carney is a technocrat.

From Singh or even Blanchet, I was expecting a Mulroney-style response: "You don't speak for Canada!"

A huge loss for Poilievre.

As Mulroney once said: "You could have refused.... "

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You fish where there are fish.

 

 

Pierre did fine. And he did get his share of you had a choice sir moments in there. He's very clearly trying to look less attack doggy and less adversarial, which some people will agree with him some won't, but his response to the security clearance question was not only a punch in the face to carney  But Carney's body language clearly showed that it upset him.

There weren't a lot of gotcha moments but there's no doubt that poilievre did very well even if he didn't deliver a giant knockout, Jaggers came across looking horrible and desperate and really couldn't make a case, carmen came across less comfortable than he has before and there were a lot of questions he just couldn't answer and clearly if blanchet was running in every province he probably would be standing a good chance of winning today.

It'll take three or four days for everything to sink in but I expect the liberal support in Quebec to drop noticeably and I expect carney will continue his slide and poilievre will begin to surpass him and more and more polls.

Poilievre really kind of needed a knockout punch to really move the dial but I guess he was just worried about looking like an angry person again and being criticized so we played it safe and that   may pay off.

[August1991]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Pierre did fine.

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Disagree. Missed chance.

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All numbers. I saw no passion for this country.

Edited April 18 by August1991

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree. Missed chance.

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All numbers. I saw no passion for this country.

If he had been more aggressive all the media would be talking about today is how he's like trump and attacks everybody. I absolutely would have loved to see some of his traditional zingers but the reality is if he had done that he probably would have lost more votes than he gained.

That's just the way it is these days.

[Goddess]

After watching the debate, I decided I'm going to vote Liberal after all.

Because I want higher taxes, more dangerous streets, more fentanyl junkies outside schools and immigration that outpaces our economic, healthcare and housing infrastructure - especially if it means it will change the weather.

I love the idea of not being able to afford my home and moving into a 350 sf modular home with 5000 immediate neighbours.

I don't mind giving up my free speech and having gov't -paid-for media controlling all the info I get.

I think it's great that the CCP is almost completely running our country politically and economically and think they should just be allowed to go all the way.  They know how to best to run a society.

I'm moving my car keys and big screen to by the front door, where they should be.

Daily hate marches in our streets is exactly why we need more diversity.  I want more of that, too.

The food bank and unemployment lineups aren't big enough yet, and Liberals are the experts we need to see it through to the end.

I hope they bring back masks and mandatory medical procedures.

Is burning Teslas still on the menu?  That sounds like hella fun.

 

 

[Politics1990]

the debates were mostly boring  tbh carney should cruise to a large minority or small majority win on the 28th i suppose. I will be voting ndp anyway for the 2nd straight election

Edited April 18 by Politics1990

[eyeball]

thought Blanchett hit the nail on the head. Chill out because Trump will be long since gone before any new pipelines even get started

 

I like what Poilievre said in the French Debate about his plan for nuclear power generation and especially that scientists would tell the government how to run things. I thought that was pretty bold in the wake of COVID and in the face of so many supporters who fear and loath science and think their common sense should rule.

In any case, I'm sticking with our NDP incumbent and hoping for another minority government where the NDP holds the balance of power. The last thing Canada needs is a two party system like America's. Further to that minority governments are the closest thing we have to proportional representation so I'll take it every time.

[taxme]

15 hours ago, August1991 said:

With HDTV, I was surprised to learn that Poilievre is left-handed, like Obama.

And like Obama, Poilievre has brown eyes.

Carney has blue-grey eyes. Blanchet has striking blue eyes: like Trudeau Snr.

-Apparently Lincoln also had blue-grey eyes

-JFK had striking blue eyes

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Carney and Blanchet are short guys. Singh and Poilievre are taller.

Carney is fit.

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With HDTV, in modern democracies, I reckon that a bald man, a fat woman are un-electable.

 

If we put a set of horns on Corney's forehead, he does really look like Satan himself. I guess that voting for Corney will be a vote for another Satan in Canada to run the Canada show. Just saying. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

After watching the debate, I decided I'm going to vote Liberal after all.

Because I want higher taxes, more dangerous streets, more fentanyl junkies outside schools and immigration that outpaces our economic, healthcare and housing infrastructure - especially if it means it will change the weather.

I love the idea of not being able to afford my home and moving into a 350 sf modular home with 5000 immediate neighbours.

I don't mind giving up my free speech and having gov't -paid-for media controlling all the info I get.

I think it's great that the CCP is almost completely running our country politically and economically and think they should just be allowed to go all the way.  They know how to best to run a society.

I'm moving my car keys and big screen to by the front door, where they should be.

Daily hate marches in our streets is exactly why we need more diversity.  I want more of that, too.

The food bank and unemployment lineups aren't big enough yet, and Liberals are the experts we need to see it through to the end.

I hope they bring back masks and mandatory medical procedures.

Is burning Teslas still on the menu?  That sounds like hella fun.

 

 

Christ you don't have to vote liberal for all of that, just go live with Herbie!

[Legato]

 

[Barquentine]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Carney's body language clearly showed that it upset him

I thought Carney was wondering if he'd made a mistake by asking Poilevre a question at that point, giving PeePee more talk time. That's what I thought but then I realized if he had asked a question of another debater, people would be jumping on him today, calling him a coward..

On another point, PeePee keeps being Trumpy. His latest tv ad, 2 old guys on a golf course looks and sounds just like Trump's ad of the 3 old women in a restaurant. And the single use plastic ban reversal is deja vu of Trump. People notice these things.

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I expect the liberal support in Quebec to drop noticeably

Not likely.

[herbie]

Hmm, the colour of PP's eyes... what an observation.

What I "observed" was that PP's concept of "debate" is to be loud, attack his opponents, constantly interrupt and show his authoritarian stance as clearly as possible. Attack someone no longer there (Justin) so as to have zero recourse over any false accusation or outright lie.

Every single f*cking style as Trump used in his electoral debates. I was waiting for the "they're eating the cats and dogs" moment to happen.

And I was working in another room just listening for most of it. Didn't need to see his beady little Milhouse without glasses eyes on the TV.
Which BTW have been broadcast in HDTV for over 15 years.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

I thought Carney was wondering if he'd made a mistake by asking Poilevre a question at that point, giving PeePee more talk time. That's what I thought but then I realized if he had asked a question of another debater, people would be jumping on him today, calling him a coward..

Both of them had a tough task. Poilievre had the job of being an attack dog without looking even remotely like an attack dog. Not so easy to pull off. Carney had almost the opposite problem, He had to look tough and aggressive without looking like he was being tough and aggressive. Voters like him because he's stable and relaxed.

So one had to be tough without looking at and the other had to look tough without being it. I'd say they both succeeded to a reasonable degree

.But that did put carney in a position where he really had to ask that question if he wanted it to have any validity moving forward, and Poilievre had to know it was coming and had obviously prepared in advance and was able to knock that ball back across the net with some serious backspin. But carney shook it off pretty quick and just went back to work so I don't know that it was any particular decisive blow. It probably took that card out of their deck moving forward but you ain't going to win them all

 

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

On another point, PeePee keeps being Trumpy.

You think every single thing he does looks trumpy. If he eats an egg for breakfast you'll insist that trump ate an egg for breakfast once therefore he's being trumpy

You have to be a die-hard liberal or leftie to see it that way and that's not what he's going after as far as a target market

Edited April 18 by CdnFox

[CouchPotato]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You think every single thing he does looks trumpy. If he eats an egg for breakfast you'll insist that trump ate an egg for breakfast once therefore he's being trumpy

You have to be a die-hard liberal or leftie to see it that way and that's not what he's going after as far as a target market

It would not have mattered who was leading the CPC in this election. This would have been their line of attack. Don't look at the last ten years. Don't look at SNC Lavalin, WE Charity, Arrivescam, Aga Khan, etc. Trump Trump Trump.

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Poilievre really kind of needed a knockout punch to really move the dial but I guess he was just worried about looking like an angry person again

You've said this a couple of times now. What it means is Poilevre can't be himself because if he is people won't like or trust him. (Glad you finally agree with what I've been saying for weeks.) He's already changed his appearance - contacts, new haircut, shirt open to look like a 'regular guy". 
The problem is it doesn't work. people will not be conned that easily. He's not authentic.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You've said this a couple of times now. What it means is Poilevre can't be himself because if he is people won't like or trust him.

No that's not what it means at all. That's like saying that Mr Carney wears a suit because he's ashamed of being naked and "himself'.  That's stupid. All leaders want to present an image. No leader presents who they are as a person in their management style. We are not hiring them to be our friend, we are hiring them based on their skills and their ability to present our country to other countries and to deal with issues internally.

What Poilievre is doing is demonstrating that he is quite skilled enough to present this kind of an image and that he is not a slave to anyone particular style. Which is also what carney is doing, let's not forget he has been pretty rude and abrasive with a number of reporters but he knows better than to do that in front of the television in a debate.

How aggressive or non-aggressive to be is a calculated decision each leader makes based on their circumstances, and we would expect them to make changes to how they present themselves both during the election as their circumstances require and two other countries or other groups as circumstances require should they be elected.

You are trying harder and harder to try and come up with some imaginary faked reason why poilievre is bad and it's just not working. It makes you look desperate. Not to mention a little pathetic.

Are you honestly trying to say that there's nothing legitimate that you can criticize this guy about? There's nothing about his policy that concerns you or anything to do with his priorities as he stated them? The guy is perfect so you have to come up with made up fake nonsense?

If that's the case, maybe you should be voting for the guy  

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney's indifferent, emotionless and zen attitude to the English debate has impressed political annalists and journalists, but it is the attitude of people under the influence of drugs. They should be given a urine test before the debate and those who are under the influence of drugs should be excluded.

[SpankyMcFarland]

33 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney's indifferent, emotionless and zen attitude to the English debate has impressed political annalists and journalists, but it is the attitude of people under the influence of drugs. They should be given a urine test before the debate and those who are under the influence of drugs should be excluded.

Sounds like ‘calm’ to me, an attribute one might value in a PM.

[betsy]

This is an odd question to ask.  It backfired.

 

 

 

 

 

[Gaétan]

The political commentators of 24/60 have all insinuated that Mark Carney won the English and French debate and were constantly sending him flowers and the police say that it is caused by the Chinese, but in my opinion it is rather caused by the $150,000,000 bribe that Mark Carney promised to Radio-Canada. The CBC is trying to manipulate the election result in favour of Mark Carney.