AT LEAST 1 in 5 Canadian Conservatives Support Becoming 51st State: Angus Reid Poll

[I am Groot]

On 3/28/2025 at 3:38 PM, Zeitgeist said:

However, we must maintain the kind of Churchillian calm alacrity and wit that keeps it very clear internationally who caused this mess.  Britain, Europe, South America, East Asia, and Africa are all impacted by American mercantile aggression and threats to sovereignty.  Any U.S. failure to respect sovereign territories and hard-won post WW-2 alliances puts smaller countries and economies at risk of aggression from the largest powers.

I wondered when this kind of crisis would happen, but I knew it would come eventually, after the Greatest Generation died off and the younger, weaker generations forgot how hard our current world order and rule of law were to come by.

The checks on executive US power are being tested, but so is the loyalty of our allies and the willingness of citizens to stand up for democratic principles.

Canada’s show of strength will be our ability to adjust our economy and make sacrifices for a way of life.  The good news is that we are now forced to articulate those values. The world wants to know that such values exist and can be successfully defended.

Sorry, but if there's anything Canadians have demonstrated over the last 50 years it's that they absolutely have no interest in making sacrifices.

What is this 'way of life' of which you speak? More than half the population will be foreign-born within 15 years. What is their 'way of life"?

[I am Groot]

On 3/28/2025 at 3:40 PM, Iceni warrior said:

So there are no foreigners.

Cultures evolve, suck it up.

Or devolve. Wonder how long it will take when foreigners are the majority for all the most precious leftist demands to fall by the wayside. Abortion? Not allowed. Women's equality? LOL. Forget that! Gay rights? Nope. 

The cultures you are flooding the country with are extremely religious and socially conservative. They despise your beliefs. 

[I am Groot]

On 3/28/2025 at 6:02 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Again though, Canadians won’t give up their sovereignty anytime soon, 

I remind you that the majority of people in many of our bigger cities are now foreign-born. In less than 15 years more than half the country will be foreign-born. And we have been telling them for decades to not adapt, to not integrate, that Canada is a terrible country on stolen 'occupied' land that committed genocide and is irredeemably racist to the core. And many would have gone to the US if they could have gotten in.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The cultures you are flooding the country with are extremely religious and socially conservative. They despise your beliefs. 

Conservatives have hated left wing values for decades and the sky hasn't fallen.

Get over yourselves.

[I am Groot]

On 3/29/2025 at 10:00 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Good ol’ Upper Canada.  Brock would be proud.  

Remind me of how much extra Ontario contributes to the federal fisc than it receives - as compared to Alberta. 

If Alberta were to separate, equalization payments to Quebec would pretty much stop. What happens to separatist sentiments in Quebec then? They're only here for the money, after all.

[I am Groot]

On 3/29/2025 at 1:39 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I’m excited to see resource development in the Ring of Fire. Ontario has so much going for it.  

Your excitement is premature. Nothing has been cleared with regulators. And there is absolutely no sign a Carney government has any intention of easing regulations.

On 3/29/2025 at 8:57 PM, herbie said:

Not far from my estimate of 32% of conservative support being from traitors, eh? Now strip out the extremist right and the actual number of real traditional Conservatives drops down into near traditional NDP territory.
The real polarization is between Conservatives and the right, not the right & left.

The real polarization is between the Left-wing extremists who hate Canada and the rest of the people.

[I am Groot]

On 3/29/2025 at 9:20 PM, CouchPotato said:

I think the fact that CBC is even considered Canadian culture is a problem of it's own. The government's effort to protect Canadian culture inevitably leads to the government defining what Canadian culture is. It's very phony. Culture comes from the people.

The CBC is the urban university crowd's view of Canada. Which is why nobody watches it. Hell, not even they watch it.

Australia has about the same population as English Canada and they have had many fine programs there that sell internationally. Honestly, I literally couldn't imagine the CBC trying to do something like Sea Patrol. Have they ever even done an actual modern cop show on the CBC?

Edited Monday at 04:05 PM by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Conservatives have hated left wing values for decades and the sky hasn't fallen.

Get over yourselves.

No. There's a huge difference between conservatives having some small doubts in something like gay marriage, say, and third-world people thinking gays themselves should be criminalized. I remember seeing a poll taken of Muslims in the UK not that long ago and 100% felt that homosexuality was morally inexcusable. A third wanted it criminalized.  You get the difference?

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I remember seeing a poll taken of Muslims in the UK not that long ago and 100% felt that homosexuality was morally inexcusable. A third wanted it criminalized.  You get the difference?

Muslims could have seen and heard people say God hates fags and felt like it was okay to behave the same way. They're just trying to fit in.

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No. There's a huge difference between conservatives having some small doubts in something like gay marriage, say, and third-world people thinking gays themselves should be criminalized. I remember seeing a poll taken of Muslims in the UK not that long ago and 100% felt that homosexuality was morally inexcusable. A third wanted it criminalized.  You get the difference?

Ouch. 

You just put him in a position of having to address the amorality of a minority group. The cognitive dissonance must have been too much for that poor little wriggler to bear.

Luckily for him, he can just casually lie his way out of it.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Muslims could have seen and heard people say God hates fags and felt like it was okay to behave the same way. They're just trying to fit in.

Umm... muslims WERE the people saying god hates fags.  Those are your heros remember  

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Muslims could have seen and heard people say God hates fags and felt like it was okay to behave the same way. They're just trying to fit in.

Muslims in the ME are only ok with guys humping other guys until the humpees get pubic hair.

Your theory that muslims are instantly & heavily influenced by Canadian culture seems unsupported though. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Conservatives have hated left wing values for decades and the sky hasn't fallen.

There is more to it than that?  Did you vote for the BC NDP, now proven as absolute dictators in sheep's clothing?

"In the face of extreme and mounting pressure against their proposed anti-democratic Bill 7, David Eby and NDP backed down on Friday . The damage to Eby and the NDP, however, has been done. The attempt to sideline the B.C. Legislature using the Trump tariff threat as cover was as naked a power grab as we have seen in this province and confirms the current NDP and Eby instinct to find ways to exclude not only parliament from the decision making and legislative process, but the public as well. No decision B.C.’s NDP government makes now can be taken at face value and must instead be viewed with suspicion as to its true intention."

Adam Pankratz: B.C. NDP prefers autocratic governance

Maybe the sky is falling.

Edited Monday at 05:13 PM by blackbird

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Umm... muslims WERE the people saying god hates fags.  Those are your heros remember  

Nope this is definitely your ilk. Conservatives from other places are just trying to fit in - following your lead.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Your theory that muslims are instantly & heavily influenced by Canadian culture seems unsupported though. 

Right wing conservative culture you mean. The opposite of Canada's natural governing ideology.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

There is more to it than that?  Did you vote for the BC NDP, now proven as absolute dictators in sheep's clothing?

No, I voted for the other BC NDP.

 

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope this is definitely your ilk.

They learned it from the muslims.   

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, I voted for the other BC NDP.

 

so yes you did then.  

[herbie]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The real polarization is between the Left-wing extremists who hate Canada and the rest of the people.

You mean by that anyone who doesn't need the support of traitors, fascists, and white supremacists to be relevant.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

You mean by that anyone who doesn't need the support of traitors, fascists, and white supremacists to be relevant.

That's because they already ARE  traitors, fascists, and fanatical bigots. That's actually pretty much the definition of the left these days

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I remind you that the majority of people in many of our bigger cities are now foreign-born. In less than 15 years more than half the country will be foreign-born. And we have been telling them for decades to not adapt, to not integrate, that Canada is a terrible country on stolen 'occupied' land that committed genocide and is irredeemably racist to the core. And many would have gone to the US if they could have gotten in.

Canada is the test of whether such forces can be balanced. This is the place of order and responsible government - whether you like it or not!   It’s stable if nothing else. It’s China style totalitarian capitalism light.  The only thing keeping it in check is evangelical Republicans.  

[suds]

On 3/27/2025 at 9:15 PM, BeaverFever said:

Yeah but that’s the stupid celebrity and social media obsessed age demographic that doesn’t know shit about the world and only cares about partying and shopping  and self-gratification and following whatever stupid trend is going viral, and that commits most of society’s crime. 
 

I bet you could dissect that data further and find that even within that group support for joining US goes down the older they get

Well you're partially right, at least the part about dissecting the data further.  43% of Canadians aged 18-34 would vote to join the U.S. if all assets were converted to USD.  So would 33% of those aged 35-54, and 17% aged 55+.  You don't find anything about these figures to be just a little  concerning?? It tells me that the country IS broken. And it's those who are young who are paying the brunt of the price for it.

[CouchPotato]

On 3/30/2025 at 10:27 AM, Dougie93 said:

at the end of the day, when Canadians ceased to be British,

that simply returned them whence they came,

which was not from England,

but rather the American colonies,

there's really no such thing as Canadian culture, other than being Loyalist Americans,

What if the Americans cease to be rebellious Canadians?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-suggests-us-could-join-british-commonwealth-if-offered-by-king-charles/ar-AA1BsC43

 

 

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Conservatives have hated left wing values for decades and the sky hasn't fallen.

Get over yourselves.

Look around, is there one federal department that is not on fire or burning....name one please....this is what left wing values have brought us, Look at the prices of homes, food, cars, all brought to by left wing values, look at our education system, DEI, LGBTQ groups that heavily influence the entire education system, and our entire civil service and civilian jobs...more leftist values....there is not much sky left to fall....

[CouchPotato]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Australia has about the same population as English Canada and they have had many fine programs there that sell internationally. Honestly, I literally couldn't imagine the CBC trying to do something like Sea Patrol. Have they ever even done an actual modern cop show on the CBC?

Yeah, I like a lot of shows from overseas. I love Brit series. I actually prefer foreign shows to American. Canada ought to be able to produce better.

I have to give credit where credit is due, though. They did give us The Beachcombers. That was a work of art.

Edited Monday at 10:46 PM by CouchPotato

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Yeah, I like a lot of shows from overseas. I love Brit series. I actually prefer foreign shows to American. Canada ought to be able to produce better.

I have to give credit where credit is due, though. They did give us The Beachcombers. That was a work of art.

Lets not forget littlest hobo, Mr dress up, friendly giant....lots of modern tv Canadian shows...Peaky blinders, monty python flying circus...