Liaison And Nanos Polling, Which Heavily Influence National Polling In Favour Of The LPOC, Have Strong Ties to Chinese Election Interferers

[WestCanMan]

https://forums.castanet.net/viewtopic.php?p=3550775

Liaison Strategies does, or allegedly does daily "polling", or at least they pump out alleged polling data which consistently shows the Liberals ahead of the PC's. Their data gets added into the 338 polling data which our MSM outlets commonly use as their primary source for polling data. 

CTV leans on Nanos for some of their data and stories, and it turns out that Alexander Nanos, who owns Nanos and Liaison, was an LPOC staffer for one of the Chinese Liberal MP's, Geng Tan, who were accused of working with the Chinese government. The next Chinese MP to come out of that riding after Tan was actually caught by CSIS for getting foreign voters to participate in the election. 

I don't think that there was ever any doubt that polling was used to try to pump up the LPOC's chances of winning, or at least to give the LPOC a stronger showing, in order to make life harder for the conservatives. I just didn't expect that Chinese gov't influence was this closely related to the fake polling data that we're bombarded with. 

[CdnFox]

I think it's settled but I think it happens. There's an interesting trend in the Polling industry as well, a lot depends on how you weight your samples and that's not quite so cut and dry. it's easy to 'cheat' by using a sample description that favours your outcome but still be able to say "this is perfectly valid". 

The other challenge is that other pollsters don't like to be seen as being 'way off'.  So if someone posts that the liberals are doing great, other pollsters will tend to at least have their results not dispute that too much. 

Having said that i think that the advantage of polls is to monitor trends and for that they're still quite useful, but i've had serious reservations about the sudden 'Mega jump' in the libs of late and it 'feels' like someone's got their thumb on the scale. 

Worth mentioning again that Frank Greaves of Ekos swore he would do "anything he had to" to make sure PP didn't win until being forced to delete the post due to backlash. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think it's settled but I think it happens. There's an interesting trend in the Polling industry as well, a lot depends on how you weight your samples and that's not quite so cut and dry. it's easy to 'cheat' by using a sample description that favours your outcome but still be able to say "this is perfectly valid". 

The other challenge is that other pollsters don't like to be seen as being 'way off'.  So if someone posts that the liberals are doing great, other pollsters will tend to at least have their results not dispute that too much. 

Having said that i think that the advantage of polls is to monitor trends and for that they're still quite useful, but i've had serious reservations about the sudden 'Mega jump' in the libs of late and it 'feels' like someone's got their thumb on the scale. 

Worth mentioning again that Frank Greaves of Ekos swore he would do "anything he had to" to make sure PP didn't win until being forced to delete the post due to backlash. 

1) Nanos would rather help win seats than get an A for accuracy

2) The whole point of polls is to get the Liberals' vote totals up, so if they say the Libs will get 45% then the plan is for them to go from 33% to 41%, then their prediction isn't so bad. 

The problem is that in this country there's such a concerted effort from all the MSM outlets to bump the Libs up in the election, but there's really nothing positive to say about them. Trudeau was a failure, his policies were all failures and Carney even ran for the LPOC leadership by promising to eliminate half of the stupid things that Trudeau did. So Carney stole a couple Poilievre policies and implemented them, and now he's a gaffe machine, there's really nothing for the MSM to work with aside from "OMG LOOK AT THE POLLING DATA! ALL THE COOL KIDS LOVE MARK CARNEY!!!!"

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The problem is that in this country there's such a concerted effort from all the MSM outlets to bump the Libs up in the election,

Who exactly is orchestrating all this concerted effort from the MSM?  How do you place an order for something like this and who do you send the invoice too?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who exactly is orchestrating all this concerted effort from the MSM?  How do you place an order for something like this and who do you send the invoice too?

As george carlin pointed out you don't need an organized conspiracy when there are like minded people with similar goals  Small groups or individuals don't need orchestration any more than salmon need to be 'hearded' to go upstream. They figure it out without a central planning authority. 

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who exactly is orchestrating all this concerted effort from the MSM?  How do you place an order for something like this and who do you send the invoice too?

It's a federal cash handout bribe. But you already knew this.

A federal program that funds hundreds of local journalists and underserved regions across the country is set to expire at the end of March, and the independent newsrooms that rely on it have no news about whether it will be renewed. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/federal-funding-journalists-expire-1.7116950

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 Small groups or individuals don't need orchestration any more than salmon need to be 'hearded' to go upstream. They figure it out without a central planning authority. 

I couldn't make the process of progress sound any more natural if I tried.

I must be getting thru to you.

 

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, Legato said:

It's a federal cash handout bribe. But you already knew this.

A federal program that funds hundreds of local journalists and underserved regions across the country is set to expire at the end of March, and the independent newsrooms that rely on it have no news about whether it will be renewed. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/federal-funding-journalists-expire-1.7116950

Society either relies on there being a free press or it doesn't, that's all there is too it. You either think so or you don't. It's still a choice but one that comes with a price in either case.

Journalism cannot exist without someone paying the expenses of journalists. They provide a service that no longer has an economic model by which that cost can be reflected in the market for information and it's distribution. This imparts a clear aspect to journalism that moves it away from a private for profit enterprise and places it in the domain of a public service.

I don't believe it myself but if the poor economic fundamentals of a free press is simply the market saying journalists provide no value then it is what it is I guess.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I couldn't make the process of progress sound any more natural if I tried.

There's a lot of things I can do that you can't do if you tried

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's a lot of things I can do that you can't do if you tried

Only because I'd be ashamed of myself if I did.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Only because I'd be ashamed of myself if I did.

Obviously. Earning a living and making sense are both reviled behavior amongst you and your leftie friends  

 

(nicely played tho ) 

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Only because I'd be ashamed of myself if I did.

Zing...

Anyway, did those pollsters have Trudeau ahead 3 months ago?  If not, what went wrong? 🤔

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Zing...

Anyway, did those pollsters have Trudeau ahead 3 months ago?  If not, what went wrong? 🤔

*putting on my tinfoil hat*

These Chinese spies were working for Carney’s company.  He smuggled them across the border in the trunk of his car. 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

*putting on my tinfoil hat*

These Chinese spies were working for Carney’s company.  He smuggled them across the border in the trunk of his car. 

Why would he have a border in the trunk of his car? 🤔

[SpankyMcFarland]

Even if this were true would it be a big advantage for the Liberals? With support this soft complacency could easily creep in if people thought the party was further ahead than it was. I think most people know that polls can be wrong in close elections.

[PIK]

The debates will tell all. PP is a great debater, carney not so much. Carney has alot to answer for. 

Brookfield in buying up swaths of apartment buildings, slapping some paint and raising the rent. Some say this help cause the housing shortage. 

The $250m loan he secured from China for his buddies a month after he became  trudeaus chair of his economic growth task force.

And his involvement in some very dirty crap in Peru .

That's for starters.

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Who exactly is orchestrating all this concerted effort from the MSM?  How do you place an order for something like this and who do you send the invoice too?

Make your cheques out to army guy...and i'll send all those funds to treat our vets...

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

The debates will tell all. PP is a great debater, carney not so much. Carney has alot to answer for. 

Brookfield in buying up swaths of apartment buildings, slapping some paint and raising the rent. Some say this help cause the housing shortage. 

The $250m loan he secured from China for his buddies a month after he became  trudeaus chair of his economic growth task force.

And his involvement in some very dirty crap in Peru .

That's for starters.

Too bad Poilievre has zero private industry experience to actually scrutinize. 
 

Funny that you Conservatives now sound like a bunch of leftwing pinko anti-business commies!  It’s hilarious.  
 

You would be drooling over Carney if he was a Conservative candidate, except for he’s not a rabid anti-abortion, anti-trans  homophobe.  He’s on the wrong side of the culture war you people are losing. 

[CouchPotato]

35 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Funny that you Conservatives now sound like a bunch of leftwing pinko anti-business commies!  It’s hilarious.  

The thing with arguments like this is that they are easy to reverse.

It's funny that you lefties are here defending Carney. If he was a conservative and didn't believe in nonsensical things like 72 genders, you'd all hate him, including the fact that he is a billionaire.

But no one here is slamming Carney simply because he is a billionaire. It's things like this.

 

[TreeBeard]

10 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

It's funny that you lefties are here defending Carney.

Where did I do that?  He’s much too conservative for me. 
 

10 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

he is a billionaire.

I read his net worth is in the 10s of millions.  Why do you think he’s a billionaire?

 

 

[Aristides]

Carney's net worth is 9.71 million according to PP News. I would have thought it would be more.

https://www.pierrepoilievrenews.ca/mark-carneys-net-worth-revealed-inside-the-financial-success-of-canadas-former-top-banker/

Edited March 27 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Carney's net worth is 9.71 million according to PP News. I would have thought it would be more.

https://www.pierrepoilievrenews.ca/mark-carneys-net-worth-revealed-inside-the-financial-success-of-canadas-former-top-banker/

We don't actually know because he won't disclose yet, and that doesn't account for various pensions and positions or assets held in various trust or venture firms. 

But either way there's no doubt he controlled and spent billions. He green lit the 250 million dollar loan to musk alone in 2022.  The same year he got a ... wait for it... 250 million dollar loan from china while attending on behalf of the liberal gov't a the taxpayer's expense. 

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

I read his net worth is in the 10s of millions.  Why do you think he’s a billionaire?

I was gravely mistaken. But the point still stands. So, I will rephrase.

No one here is slamming Carney simply because he is a millionaire.

Edited March 27 by CouchPotato

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Zing...

Anyway, did those pollsters have Trudeau ahead 3 months ago?  If not, what went wrong? 🤔

They did the same thing that pollsters and Dems in the US were doing last year... pretending that Biden was in it as long as possible, but when it became too big of a margin to overcome they brought the knives out. 

MSM and pollsters in unison, 2024 and 2025: "Ok, the incumbent actually was really bad, we just found out today, BUT THE NEW CANDIDATE IS SO SHINY!!!!!!"

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The same year he got a ... wait for it... 250 million dollar loan from china while attending on behalf of the liberal gov't a the taxpayer's expense. 

I don't think that's a big deal, because CBC doesn't think it's a big deal, and neither do Liberal voters. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

I don't think that's a big deal, because CBC doesn't think it's a big deal, and neither do Liberal voters. 

CBC specifically said on their panel that it's a big deal and PP is right that it's a conflict.  I don't think it's nothing.